I have an 89 cherokee limited stock rims, what needs to be done to swap to manual hubs. Does anyone have any parts extra to make this swap faster.

Thanks

Mike

Sorry bro unless you wanna buy a warn hub conversion or waste a ton of money on a Dana 30 than not much can be done, How about you put waggy 44's under it or go 1-ton ?? This is the Pirate board you know!:flipoff2: Hell Ill sell you a set of porta Dana 35'c's to bolt under that soccer mom rig:flipoff2: :rolleyes: :flipoff2: :rainbow:

Not necessarily true. The warn hub kit is great if you plan on keeping the D30 and not going crazy on the gas. Yea, you can throw a waggy 44 up front for less and then get to claim that you have a D44, but it is a low pinion standard rotation with the same ole 297x joints. Same weak link. I don't want to turn this into another D44 vs D30 thread so I will just give you the info that you wanted.

If you slice off the XJ yokes and replace them with D30 yokes from a CJ, use '76 Chevy K10 knuckles spindles calipers and brackets, '85 Ford F-150 lockouts, custom steering arms, custom shafts, it should work. If you have all of this junk lying around anyway or you can get it for cheap, then you might want to give it a shot. Check out Bill's site for the info, this is where I got it.

http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bcaliftan

Thanks for the info, I thought that all that I had to do is bolt on some new hubs..

Mike

Originally posted by Josh 89XJ
Yea, you can throw a waggy 44 up front for less and then get to claim that you have a D44, but it is a low pinion standard rotation with the same ole 297x joints. Same weak link.


No, the D30 came with 260-X U-joints until 1995. So it would definitely be an upgrade.

A few problems with that though. First off, how much is it going to cost in order to throw that D44 under there? His D30 has a disco housing, so the passenger UCA bracket can't be used on the waggy D44. The left one is cast into the housing, which is also going to make things tricky. You can buy the RE kit for like $350, but you had better be sure to get a waggy front with discs and 297s. I've seen several with the 260s and drums. Not a good upgrade if you ask me. Hell, it would probably be easier to just swap your frontend to leaf springs and then throw the waggy under there. This is probably the route that I will go.

Why not just save the cash and get some alloys with 760s for around $550? Or save a little more and get standard shafts with 760s for less than $300? Just my $.02, but I don't really see the point in swapping in a low pinion 44 unless you have some other plans.

Also, 1995 was not the first year of 297s. I have seen several from the factory with 297s and ABS in much earlier years, I think 1992 was the earliest. 95 with ABS was the first year of 297s for the YJ, but XJs were different. Why? Well, we all know DC and their infinite wisdom.... There was a poll over on NAXJA a few months ago and people were showing all different years with the 297s from the factory, many of which were before 1995.

Originally posted by Josh 89XJ
Also, 1995 was not the first year of 297s. I have seen several from the factory with 297s and ABS in much earlier years, I think 1992 was the earliest. 95 with ABS was the first year of 297s for the YJ, but XJs were different. Why? Well, we all know DC and their infinite wisdom.... There was a poll over on NAXJA a few months ago and people were showing all different years with the 297s from the factory, many of which were before 1995.

Dude, he's got an '89... Wake up.

:flipoff2:

My '91 ABS (NP 242 might matter) D30 has 297 joints. I haven't broken one yet, but have a spare (working on some spare axles, but the 760 joint sounds better, haven't heard about that one.....never mind I'm doing a search....)

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama
No, the D30 came with 260-X U-joints until 1995. So it would definitely be an upgrade.

The 297-x are a direct swap into the older D30. If your really cheep you just have to get some stock, post 95' or whenever, shafts from the yard. The big diffrences would be R&P size and housing strength. IMOHO, I wouldent spend time and $$$$ on a front 44. I would truss the 30, put in some 297-x alloy shafts, and get a rear 44. The next step would be 60's 60's 60's.

cuttin the knuckles off and using 44 knuckles and outer junk is a waste of time, you will spend a fortune in custom axles for the thing, then have to change the rear bolt pattern to match the front, then new wheels, so buy the warn hub kit, get the axles that have the 297/760's and be happy till you break it, then go 60's

cuttin the knuckles off and using 44 knuckles and outer junk is a waste of time, you will spend a fortune in custom axles for the thing,

I guess if $295 is a fortune, sure :flipoff2:

But those "fortune" custom axles will be way better than some crummy 25 year old junkyard D44 axles!

Plus - 2 different bolt patterns is cool:p , and costs all of $100 in adapters if you must have matching.

And new wheels are a must anyway.....gotta go beadlocks!!

Well just for arguments sake, is there anything besides the spindles on the Warn hub conversion kit that is not stock Ford Ranger stuff? Seems to me you could get just the spindles from Warn and get the rest off of a Ranger or Explorer out of the junkyard. You might even be able to adapt the Ford spindle to the Jeep knuckle with a little machining. Unless I'm missing something here, this seems like a cheap and easy way to go.

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


Dude, he's got an '89... Wake up.

:flipoff2:

I know he's got an '89. I wasn't saying he had 297s. I was correcting you on your statement of the D30 having 260s up until 1995. Just a general correction and not specific to the original question. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by BillaVista


Plus - 2 different bolt patterns is cool:p , and costs all of $100 in adapters if you must have matching.



No company, that I know of, will change number of lugs...so they won't go from the Chevy 6lug to the Jeep 5lug...but they will go 5X4.5" to 5x5.5"

Originally posted by Josh 89XJ


I was correcting you on your statement of the D30 having 260s up until 1995. Just a general correction and not specific to the original question. :flipoff2:

Yeah... Well, I was thinking YJs... :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jakesteramalamajama


Yeah... Well, I was thinking YJs... :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Dude, he's got an XJ...wake up :flipoff2:

BAWHAHAHAH. Sorry, couldn't resist...all in good fun. :D

Originally posted by Josh 89XJ


Dude, he's got an XJ...wake up :flipoff2:

Touche...:flipoff2: