What did these come out of? I am gonna wanna swap all this into a Wranger, but I need to know what they came out of. Aslo any specific ones that came with 4.10's in them? I would like to get it all at once, and not have to deal with swapping gers right now. Need them full width, and am gonna make them fit in a Wrangler. Aslo would these be 8 lug or 5 lug or 6 lug?


Dimitri

Those are what came stock in 70's F150's. My 78 F150 came stock with this setup and a 3.50 gear ratio. Not sure on specific years for the RC44. They are 5 lug. If you get a 44 out of a F250 front it will be 8 lug.

D- get 60's fool!!!! Cmon!!

J- Dude, I f I could afford then, I would, but can't so I won't. the 44 and 9" will hold up to my driving style and some 36's. I know I can handle it. Until I can fford the 60's, then I will get them

Dimitri

The good thing about the F-250 RC44 is that it has the spring pads cast into the housing (maybe 32.5 inches CTC, or so?). The half ton models have the control arm mounts as part of the inner knuckle (late 70's). In the early 70's the half tons had welded on CA mounts, much easier to deal with and remove.

Andy

Not RC44, but this is pretty near what you are looking towards doing (and this way is cheaper I would guess) :)

Ford 9" YJ swap (http://tennessee4x4.com/trailrunners/techinfo/wrangler-ford-9-inch.htm)

Wagoneer Dana 44 YJ swap (http://tennessee4x4.com/trailrunners/techinfo/dana-44-swap-for-yj.htm)

That combo also came in the 78-79 Bronco with 4.10s. I've got a buddy who has that and just blew the 9 inch rear. Of course he also had a 460 so he's swapping in a 60 rear.

that combo was found in the 77-79 F150's and Bronco's


:usa:

I'm working on this exact swap right now, I pretty sure you want a 78 or 79 Bronco or F150, they do have radius arms that are easily removed, leaving a egg shapped chunk of metal on the housing, this can be ground down, but I plan on just leaving mine unless they get in the way. The F250's will have the spring pads, but I don't know if they are in the right spot for the wrangler spring width (not an issue of your willing to move your springs), the biggest problem with the 3/4 for me was having to convert back to 5 on 5 1/2, I figured it was easier to add spring pads than do that work, plus if you pull the 9 inch and the 44 from the same vehicle (half ton) you sure to get the same ratio. Most have 3.50 gears, some had 4.11, I'd keep an eye out for a donor with a inline 6, I imagine it would be most likely to have the 4.11. Mine are 3.50, not an issue since I'm adding lockers before stuffing them under my jeep. The outer knuckles have a low tie rod location, which I'm leaving for now, I'm going spring over, so it won't be in the way, if you are going spring under, it might cause steering/spring problems at full droop (good excuse for hi steer). I haven't gotten real far with the swap yet, right now I'm working on grinding off what I don't need, and cleaning up the axles feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions. cwate posts on here sometimes, and has an a good article on this swap using the EB bronco axles, but alot of the information is the same. I don't have his webpage handy, but do a search for his name, it should be in his sig. drop me a line if you have any questions.

chad

you don't want the 78/79 D44, it has the cast in c-bushing mounts. The 77 and earlier 44's have some welded on ears that are easy to remove.

Also they don't have a spring perch cast into the housing...so that may cause some issues

Well I am not sure if I want to do a 44, 60 combo, or a 44 9" combo. I am leaning the way of the 9" because I can get them out of the same rig. I like the dropout 3rd member of the 9", but hate the low pinion of it. Oh well, time to make up my mnd and do one or the other.

Dimtiri

Originally posted by Flatty
Well I am not sure if I want to do a 44, 60 combo, or a 44 9" combo. I am leaning the way of the 9" because I can get them out of the same rig. I like the dropout 3rd member of the 9", but hate the low pinion of it. Oh well, time to make up my mnd and do one or the other.

Dimtiri

What engine tranny combo are you running? Like I said earlier my buddy with a 460, granny low, and spooled in the rear blew his. He's a big fan of the go pedal, though.

For now I am just gonna run the stock 6 banger, but I have a frame all set up for a small block. I am gonna get a TPI 305, with an auto, and then not sure about the t-case, but it needs to be geared and a ford output. THionking stock 231 with a gears set.

Dimitri

You can even find the 44 9in. combo under an early bronco too. But they are 59-60 in wide. If you have the wrangler use the d-300 it is stronger than the 231. just get a flip kit for it and it will be driverside output.

The EB stuff is too narrow for a Wrangler. I wanna go wider if anything. As for the 300, I like mine, but will not use it with a flip kit. If anything I will save foir an Atlas setup later.

Dimtiri

I this going to be the light weight comp rig or just a wheeler

just a wheeler. The comp rig is gonna be built WAY differently.

Dimitri

You can get a 44/60 combo out of an f-250. If you want the 60. I also love my 9" but have tacoed my d-line a few times and kind wished i had a full float 60.

Well the reason I did not wnat to go 44/60 is because they come with 8 lug. I am sick of grinding calipers to fit, so I will go with the 1/2 ton shiat.

Dimitri

dimitri boy did you just miss out, i sold my rc d44 and 9" geard and locked with lots of spare parts for a grand. oh well

you do NOT want a 78-79 ford d44, the c-bushing are cast into the housing, and the housing is otherwise useless!

76-77 are the year f100 f150 you want to find. the d44 with have disk brakes, the c-bushing deal will only be welded onto the housing, and the 9" will be the most reinforced housing it ever was 'stock' and 31 spline.

aaron

oh yeah, ford did offer a semi-float 5 lug d60 in the 1/2 tons in the sixties, but they are *rare* to come across.

aaron

Originally posted by Danger Ranger
dimitri boy did you just miss out, i sold my rc d44 and 9" geard and locked with lots of spare parts for a grand. oh well

you do NOT want a 78-79 ford d44, the c-bushing are cast into the housing, and the housing is otherwise useless!

76-77 are the year f100 f150 you want to find. the d44 with have disk brakes, the c-bushing deal will only be welded onto the housing, and the 9" will be the most reinforced housing it ever was 'stock' and 31 spline.

aaron


Okay, I am a newbie, and this is my first axle swap, but I just don't see what's wrong with the cast in radius arm mounts. They don't look like they will be in the way of anything, I will have to get a little creative with the spring perches around them, but it doesn't look like it will be that hard. Is there something here I'm not seeiing that causes problems? Or is it that they will just look stupid (if so I can live with looking stupid as long as it works) I just got this axle, and basically have no money tied into it yet, but if these mounts are going to be a problem, I'd like to know before I get to far.

Also are the earlier 44 you mentioned reverse cut? I though that '78 was the first year for that type of housing.

Chad

Ford 44 reverse go back to the sixties. but those are pretty much worthless, since they were kingpin used the small u-joints and drum brakes.

those cast pieces cannot be removed. the axle only goes *into* them, not *through* them. The triange shape (c-wedge whatever) is actually hollow :rolleyes: people have put springs pad on top of them. You're right, it'll look stupid but it will work. But you can in no way grind or remove those cast pieces short of re-tubing the whole axle.

You should be able to find a bare open knuckle housing out of a 70's ford 1/2 ton that you can swap all of yer parts onto. hit the pick-n-pulls

aaron

My 1972 housing was reverse cut, had open knuckles, balljoints, and welded on C-bushing mounts. This is all you really care about. Everything before about 77 had drum brakes. If you're gonna cut it down, you're gonna need new axles with 297 joints anyway, and you're gonna want high steer so you'll need new knuckles, too. I just bought the bare housing and left all the Ford crap behind. Bolted on Chevy outer parts from pick and pull for 75 bucks and went.

There is a good supply of RC 44 housings at a local Sacramento wrecking yard for 150 for bare housings......mail me if you want the place....

Andy

ahhh... now my newbie brain is up to speed. I see what your saying. It seems my plan will still work, but I do see what your getting at, and it will look kinda stupid. If the mounts are hollow, and I grind them back, I guess I'll end up with a hole in my axle (even I know that ain't good). So I reckon I'll just leave 'em on or try and find a good deal on an older axle. Are the older axles the same width as the 78 and 79, parts pretty much interchangable? Well guess I got some more work to do... thanks for the info

chad

I have full width 44/9" in my YJ. I used a chevy 44 front converted to 5 lug (easy) and a 86 F150 2wd 9" I just swapped in the 4:56 gears and a lockright front and spool rear. I love it, it practically bolted in.

Oh yeah, I think I am selling these to swap in my 14 bolt and 60. Wanna buy em?

Sean and I had a long winded post about RC44 years on this board a LOOONG time ago... I WON!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2: i never got my 20 bucks.. hehehe

In 1966 the first coil sprung 1/2 ton 4x4 ford came out and it had a RC 44 open knuckle front end and either a 5 lug 60 semi float rear or a 9 inch. :vader:

Mike-

Mikey, I know what I want to do, but it might be rather difficult to accomplish. I want a J20 rear end, I knw that is wide, but if I cut one side dwn, just like what you did for Sergei. Basically, I wnat what SErgei did to his.

Dimitri

I'll sell you my 9" w/detroit and rc44 w/trutrac and 4.56 gears if I can buy this highboy a friend has. Interested? out of 78F150

yea I am for the right price of course. Sounds like what I want. Let me know

Dimitri

Originally posted by Flatty
What did these come out of? I am gonna wanna swap all this into a Wranger, but I need to know what they came out of. Aslo any specific ones that came with 4.10's in them? I would like to get it all at once, and not have to deal with swapping gers right now. Need them full width, and am gonna make them fit in a Wrangler. Aslo would these be 8 lug or 5 lug or 6 lug?


Dimitri

hey I gotta set, full width - 5 lug complete with steering
I think flatop knuckles

will match YJ tcase (yep high pinion)

so I can't remember gears I'll check

I'll work with ya on $$ cause shipping willl be tough, but 600 ish for both will be ballpark

the front could probably use wheel bearings

breaks are all there

rear is 31 spliner

I'll get back to U or PM me so I can return it

also on shipping - if you're willing to wait I usually know people who come from that way - it may just take a month or two!

i'll check freight prices to!

The only hitch at this point is whether I can buy a highboy off a friend, left a message today. I'll keep you informed if it goes thru