: 86 Comanchee ??


Thumper
12-05-2001, 10:10 AM
Anyone know what rear end came in a 86 Comanchee?? I found a rear for cheap :beer: and was wondering if I could use it as spare parts for my 35 :rasta: till I get the 9" :smokin: swap ready.

Thanks

MKBruin
12-05-2001, 01:33 PM
all depends on what you're running. they were all non c-clip through 1989.....1990 started the production of the 35c. also check widths. I know perch wise the cherokee spring perches sit 1/2 an inch outside on each side, not sure about the width of the axle itself.

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 01:42 PM
I think there is a chance that it could be a 44. I forget the years that it came as a option.

Phikap
12-05-2001, 02:03 PM
Comanche came with Dana 35, just like the cherokees. There was a metric ton package that had a 44. It was like the towing package, but most of them have the 35. The C in Dana 35c does not stand for c-clip. It stands for custom. I duno about in general, but my 89 dana 35 has c-clips. As far as I know, all dana 35's are c-clip. I know for a fact that the Dana35c does not mean c-clip. They bought the axles incomplete, so they were custom axles. The axles for cherokee and comanche are the same width. The spring perches are totally different, since cherokee is soa while comanche is sua. The only thing to look for is the gear ratios. Depending on what year, what tranny, what package, etc. they have different gears. So make sure they are the same before you throw the axle in, even though it might be the same axle.

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 02:22 PM
LOL Custom :rolleyes: I dont think so newbie. Can you tell my what they did to the axles that warrented ordering them incomplete??? Is it just coincidence that the 85-89 versions are called dana 35's and dont have c-clips and that the 90 and later versions HAVE c-clips and are called dana 35c's?
From www.jpmagazine.com, tech articals, Building Your Dana 35 "The ’87-’89 Wranglers and ’84-’89 Cherokees have non-C-clip axles. These are semifloating axles, so if a shaft should break the wheel will remain on the vehicle, at least for a short time until the axle bearing fries. The ’90-and-later Dana 35s have C-clips that retain the axles in the housing".

MKBruin
12-05-2001, 02:46 PM
lol, I like your style mcstiff.

I know about the perches because when I went SOA on my Manche I just bought an XJ axle to be a bolt on job. Liek I said...the perch width is different, not sure about actual wms though.

c does stand for c-clip.

the 44 was NOT offered in 86. it was in teh metric ton for XJ's and MJ's from 88-91...there was no need for a 44 when Jeep was running the 2.5 4 cyl and the 2.8 gm 6 cyl. the damned things could abrely pull the weight of the xj, let alone anything else.

the 4.0 appered in 88 along with the metric ton package. it was dropped in 91 with the introduction of the chry 8.25

mike
12-05-2001, 02:54 PM
you guys are all newbies, and on crack :flipoff2: c does indeed stand for custom. not c clip. fwiw the 35c under my old DD xj was a NON c-clip and still stamped 35c.

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by mike
you guys are all newbies, and on crack :flipoff2: c does indeed stand for custom. not c clip. fwiw the 35c under my old DD xj was a NON c-clip and still stamped 35c.
Can you prove it mikey? Were you the first owner of your old xj? What year was it? I'm almost sure that you could put the guts of a non c-clip into a c-clip housing, who knows. The same goes for having a 35c-clip under a earilier XJ not too hard to put one under there since it bolts right up.
Is this (http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d35c.html) where your gleening this information from? Why does everyone use 35c as a c-clip distintion?

mike
12-05-2001, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Eddie Mcstiff

Can you prove it mikey?

Dont call me mikey. And what that my old POS 35 had 35c stamped on it? what possible reason would I have to like about that? BTW spicer does not even list a difference in model # on their site, just a difference in BOM numbers.

mike
12-05-2001, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by Eddie Mcstiff

Can you prove it mikey? Were you the first owner of your old xj? What year was it? I'm almost sure that you could put the guts of a non c-clip into a c-clip housing, who knows. The same goes for having a 35c-clip under a earilier XJ not too hard to put one under there since it bolts right up.
Is this (http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d35c.html) where your gleening this information from? Why does everyone use 35c as a c-clip distintion?

And no I was not the first owner of the XJ. Yes it was the origional axle, how do I know? I knew the origional owner. No you cannot put c clip parts in a non c-clip axle, except the spider gears. The shafts are retained 100% differently in the two. If you put c clip shafts in a non c clip axle they'd slide right out. And vice versa. But at least you proved you dont know the difference between the two. No, off-road.com is not where Im gleening any information from. That sites so lame I havent been there in over 5 years. Why are people misinformed? I donno, why are you misinformed?

WheelingPiazza
12-05-2001, 03:38 PM
My 35 non clip had 35c Stamped into it as well..

I was the second owner of my YJ and trust me if your going to swap out an axle you dont swap out a 35c with a 35 non c

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 03:46 PM
Originally posted by mike


Dont call me mikey. And what that my old POS 35 had 35c stamped on it? what possible reason would I have to like about that? BTW spicer does not even list a difference in model # on their site, just a difference in BOM numbers.

Ok, Mike. Not that your old pos said that. That 35c means custom. I have only seen that in one place, everywhere else says that it means c-clip. Why would some xj 35's say c and some don't eventhough the "c" dosent mean c-clip? Why would Jeep buy incomplete axles and put in spicer parts? This would just cost more $$$$$$.

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by mike
Why are people misinformed? I donno, why are you misinformed?
I would have to guess that I would be misinformed because everybody else is too. I would also say that I dont really care much since the 35c is a pice of shit.

mike
12-05-2001, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by Eddie Mcstiff

I would have to guess that I would be misinformed because everybody else is too. I would also say that I dont really care much since the 35c is a pice of shit.

That point I think we can agree on. BTW I think the c was to designate a casting difference from the anemic 35 front Ford was using at the time.

Mcstiff
12-05-2001, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by mike
No you cannot put c clip parts in a non c-clip axle, except the spider gears. The shafts are retained 100% differently in the two. If you put c clip shafts in a non c clip axle they'd slide right out. And vice versa. But at least you proved you dont know the difference between the two.

I have proven that I dont have a great knowlege about a crappy week axle that is worth nothing to me. I assumed that the only diffrence was the carrier, axle, and c-clips. It was a guess. It was wrong. Oh well. Dosen't prove anything about me. That would make sence about the ford 35 front.

Chark
12-05-2001, 05:33 PM
Hey guys...I really didn't want to get in the middle of this one, but ....Mike is correct. The C, does stand for "custom"...I can't find the text at this time....althought as what's not burnt up...can remember this as so. I also agree with you both that it's a POS and not worth the fact that we even recall knowing anything about the 35...no matter what letter is stamped after the fawkin 3&5. Wheel hard...to stay hard!!!!:smokin: