i searched but couldnt find any good pics, i want to see some pics of rockwells with links . whats a good way of mounting the upper links next to eah other on the top of the rockwell, i cant weld a hoop axle tube to axle tube cause i need to be able to get the diff out

???? any pics of link mounting on rockwells would be very helpfull

Lots of guys with rockwells here.

Try Rockwell and link

here is one pic I have.....not sure owns the rig

http://us.f1f.yahoofs.com/users/633e902a/bc/My+Photo+Album/__hr_Rockwell1.jpg?bfPo0U_AXs7PppFr


gonna need a bunch of clearance to run a setup like this

IMO I would find a different mounting location

Check out Dan Dribbles or Proffits rigs to start.

Link doesn't work dude...Here's a couple
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171001&perpage=25&pagenumber=3

thanks


anyone else?

maybe having the lower links next to each other on the cross member below the rear transfercase output and spread out on the axle?

Absolutely, I think thats a good idea. I don't have any rockwell pics with this setup but here is a setup my good friend built and shows what you were describing I think.

http://home.comcast.net/~joycarpets22/yota6.JPG

A guy on here with an s10 hybrid truck did a nice setup, any one remember his name?

I would run the inverted 4 link like the pic above

thanks redneck, thats exactly what i was describing

would you happen to know if those are 3/4 rod ends?

whats your thoughts on rod ends on the axle end and these on the frame end http://mountainoffroad.com/catalog/UnivBushAssy/uba.htm

the 3 inch wide by 2inch diamiter .120 thick ones

id be using coil springs

it would save money and i dont see the need for both ends of the control arm to be allowed to twist, if i didnt use straight dom pipe i could see why but mine wont be


should i use .25 dom and sleeve it or use just .5 , im leaning towards .25 and sleeveing becuase that should be stronger .

also what do you think of doing this same setup on the front? i would use coils now and money time later coil overs

or i could go leafs

No problem man. Those heims in the pic I posted are 3/4in ones but you'd probably want to lay down a little more money and step up to a bigger size for axles like rockwells. As for the bushing idea, I say go for it. You can offset the cost of the bigger heims plus I'm extremely familiar with those MORE bushings and can attest to how well they work. I should buy stock in the damn things because I swear they come in handy for tons of my fab projects. As a matter of fact, the lower links in that picture are attatched to the axle via those exact bushings (BA200s). The main reason we did that is becauase we mounted the coilovers to the links and that was a little more weight than we wanted to put on a heim. All you have to do is notch your links accordingly to butt flush up against the bushing and weld it up. Make sure to pop out the rubber inserts first of course. You'll be really surprised how well the bushings twist under articulation. They will wear out eventually but like you said they are only $12 each so you can't go wrong there. Go ahead and do a similar 4-link in the front while you're at it. Since you'll be building your links and ordering all your parts for the rear, It'll make the whole process a lot easier to do it all at once than to slap in some half ass leafs knowing you'll go to coils soon anyways. Oh, and for the link material, I'd say sleeve the 1/4 wall DOM it will probably be stronger that way. One other thing that would be super cool and is something I'm shooting for on my buggy is to make my links (front uppers/rear uppers, front lowers/rear lowers) the same length. Then two spares would be all you needed to carry to fix any link that broke/bent in your suspension. It's not a big deal, just something I think is cool. Of course if you're not building from the ground up this can be extremely difficult to do so it's not the end of the world or anything. But if you build your front and rear suspension at the same time it's something to consider. One other note on bushings, a guy in my club got a wild hair up his ass to build a 4-link in the rear of his XJ using parts he had at his shop. Long story short about 6 hours later he had a nice low buck 4-link. He used energy suspension bushings at every end :eek: and stock TJ coils. What really surprises me is that they are still holding up 8 months later and countless trips to tellico. They flex like hell to. It's not pretty but it works. Point is the BA200s are way better than that so I would run them without a second thought.

sweet that is real good to know, yeah i kinda had my doubts about the 3/4 im better off going with the 1 inchers

and yes i was also going to try to make the control arms the same lengths for spare reasons , thanks for all the well wanted info

im gonna just save myself hastle in the future and link it front and rear because i know im gonna go links in the future anyways

Sounds like a plan man. Keep us updated with pics :D

ill try :flipoff2:

rockwells will be in my yard in less than 11 hrs :D :D :D

I'm planning on doing links with a bushing at one end and a heim joint at the other too. I think I have everything figured as far as the proper geometry is concerned but I saw something this past weekend that makes me wonder. When mounting the brackets to the axle, is it preferred to angle the brackets so that they line up with the links? Or is it acceptable to mount the brackets perpendicular to the axle and make the link with the angle? This past weekend I was looking at several Jeeps and it seemed about evenly divided on how to do it.

I think I want to make the brackets perpendicular to the axle so that I can make them smaller and not have the link mounting bolt interfere with the axle.

Here is a picture of what I'm talking about.

Link drawing (http://www.jeffandkelli.com/LinkEnds.html)

very good question, ive thought about this myself and havnt really decided cause it seems like neither choice would really be a con

and for them angled on the axle, you could just put the nut on the inside and the bolt through the open side , just dont have the bolt extra long for no reason



does anyone know if either will be better for flex or stress on the links?


oh and you going rubber on axle end? heims frame end?

I am planning on going with poly bushings on the axle and heims up near the frame. The reason is that down at the axle there is all kinds of real estate for mounting the wider end of the link. Up at the frame space is kind of tight. I'm planning on mounting to the frame rails so a really wide bracket would take even more space for the bracing behind it.

I'm mostly concerned with the additional leverage on larger (longer) brackets. I want to keep things tucked up tight against the solid structures they are supporting.

im not worried about that in my application, mine will be built off of a cross member , but i think the axle end will be seeing more abuse and the heims should be more taken care of . im probably going to put the heims on the frame end

im guessing yours will be in a yj?