I picked up a rear scout d44 for my cj-7. I think it is around 58" in width. I'd like to get a 44 for the front between 58 and 60 inches. I'm doin a spring over at the same time. I don't want to go outboard with the springs unless i have to, pretty much the relatively simplest way to get one under there is prefered. thanks for any info.

look for a waggy front 44 you dont have to outboard springs for it but they are 6 lug.:usa: :nuke:

Get a scout 44, It's not that hard to set up, I think mangled is a little dilusional, you will have to outboard on a CJ not on a YJ (frames wider). unless your shortening the long side of the axle. If you stick to a scout you can keep your old wheels too.

Damn Andy 911 chill. You are pretty cocky for a newbie. You are correct on the tech stuff but I hope you know Mangled.

Fawkin Newbies Suck.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by wheelinjps_gal
Damn Andy 911 chill. You are pretty cocky for a newbie. You are correct on the tech stuff but I hope you know Mangled.

Fawkin Newbies Suck.:flipoff2:
Opps forgot to log the ol lady off.


So you still suck Newbie:flipoff2:

I meant it in an ever so friendly way.

I SAW IN JP MAGAZINE I THINK, THEY TOOK A CHEVY FULLSIZE D44 AND CUT THE LONG SIDE OFF ABOUT 4". ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PUMPKIN WOULD BE TO FAR CENTERED OR NOT.

What I did was cut a 79 waggy 44 down 4 inches so that it is stock wide track length. Then go find an 80 - 85 half ton dodge, I then took everything from the knuckle out on both sides and bolted it up. u keep the 5.5 on 5 pattern and u get flat top knuckles for high steer. Then u just need to have a custom shaft made from moser or warn. It is pretty easy.

Originally posted by CJ JOSH
I SAW IN JP MAGAZINE I THINK, THEY TOOK A CHEVY FULLSIZE D44 AND CUT THE LONG SIDE OFF ABOUT 4". ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WOULD WORK. I DON'T KNOW IF THE PUMPKIN WOULD BE TO FAR CENTERED OR NOT.

I don't know the answer to your question, but YOUR FAWKIN CAPS LOCK IS STUCK YA FAWKIN NEWBIE!!!

Annoying, huh?

HTH,

Jake

P.S.
:vader2::flipoff2: :trooper: Welcome Newbie!!!:trooper: :flipoff2: :vader2:

Sounds alot more expensive then just outboarding the springs and calling it a day..

As someone stated thre is no cut and dry way todo this, Either get a custom front axle made. Cut the long side down, Or outboard the springs..


Waggys fronts offer a better caster angle then a Scout, But are harder to find in 58 passenger side drops. IF you can find just the housing for a waggon and the flattop knuckles, you will need the short shafts, the spindles, discs, caliper brackets and hubs from a scout to retaining 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern

If you uses teh waggy brake stuff you will need to convert to 6 lug rims but it gives you internal hubs like a chevy..

The Chevy cut is easy. Take 4" off the left tube, move the perch in to 28" center to center. Reweld the inner nuckle. Next chop the axle 4" and respline or find an 80-84 waggy axle that is 32.1". If you want 5 on 5.5, go to salvage yard and get Ford 1/2 ton hub/rotor and bearings. Use original Chevy calipers and mounts. Boom, done, 63" WMS to WMS. If you need narrower you will have to chop both sides and have two axels cut as the right perch is milled into the diff housing.

Originally posted by SS406CJ
The Chevy cut is easy. Take 4" off the left tube, move the perch in to 28" center to center. Reweld the inner nuckle. Next chop the axle 4" and respline or find an 80-84 waggy axle that is 32.1". If you want 5 on 5.5, go to salvage yard and get Ford 1/2 ton hub/rotor and bearings. Use original Chevy calipers and mounts. Boom, done, 63" WMS to WMS.

Right! I think it's a helluva lot easier to narrow an axle than to build outboard spring mounts. Unless you want to stay with six lug you have to pull all of the outer crap anyhow. Cutting off the knuckle takes less time than most people think.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: Thanks for the warm welcome, I didn't know caps lock could stir up such feelings. :flipoff2: Is it allright to have a 63" front axle and a 58" rear axle? Anyone in the Denver area who's outboarded the springs. You'all have helped alot.:D

Quick question about the 44 axles in the waggy and scout, is there a difference in width? And has anyone gone spring over with the scout axle with 2.5 suspension lift and still felt stable on and off road? thanks
Andrew

I have a SOA with 2.5" YJ springs on top of a cut waggy axle and its fine. It doesn't seem to be too tall and the springs sag nicely. It's also shackle reversed which helps a bit on the road.

Originally posted by Andy 911
Get a scout 44, It's not that hard to set up, I think mangled is a little dilusional, you will have to outboard on a CJ not on a YJ (frames wider). unless your shortening the long side of the axle. If you stick to a scout you can keep your old wheels too.

Their is only one problem with scout front axles they have a 0 deg caster. That can be a problem, for handling and towing. But the 0 degree caster angle is a fairly easy fix. Don't let that stop you. Or you could go with a waggy 44 with a 4 degree of caster either or but the waggy has the 6 lug pattern, but can be changed to five by either redrilling the hubs and rotors or putting chevy spindals and ford hubs and rotors on it. the nice thing about the wag fronts is they have the internally splined hubs.

good luck on whatever you choose.

I've done two frame ups this summer for friends. Cut down chevy fronts for both. Have also heard that you can use a dodge front uncut short and cut long side to fit a waggoneer long side. Had scout fronts to use on both of them but didn't for the caster and having to build a mount for springs on pass side.

Originally posted by blueray36


Their is only one problem with scout front axles they have a 0 deg caster. That can be a problem, for handling and towing. But the 0 degree caster angle is a fairly easy fix. Don't let that stop you. Or you could go with a waggy 44 with a 4 degree of caster either or but the waggy has the 6 lug pattern, but can be changed to five by either redrilling the hubs and rotors or putting chevy spindals and ford hubs and rotors on it. the nice thing about the wag fronts is they have the internally splined hubs.

good luck on whatever you choose.

I agree, do not let this stop anyone, in order to do it right even the waggy axles should be adjused, I put a scout front in my cj and rotated the pinion up 10° and added 5° of caster while I was at it, so even if I did start with the waggys I'd still would have rotate the ears 11° to get what I have now.

When doing a SOA with A front Chevy D44 axle how is the pinion angle changed when the spring perch is milled into the center section? And is a caster change needed?:(

Does anyone know What years if any that the waggy fronts where passenger drop?Also i read the statement about using the dodge knuckles out for the flat top knuckle and 5 bolt pattern.I acually want the 6 bolt pattern but would like the flat top.Will this knuckle go on too the waggy front but still use the waggy stuff out from there?

Look for any '74-76 Waggie 44 and it will already have the flat top knuckles. Waggies were passenger drop through 1979.