Because mine certainly does! if you park at school, you are automatically entered into the random drug testing program. also, your car is subject to search at any time, or for any reason (or lack thereof). if you play sports, you are entered again into the random drug testing program (i obviously approve of this). if you are in drama club, band, choir, key club, yearbook club, etc, you are entered AGAIN into the random testing program. So prett much if you are involved with your school you will get tested a lot.
now, while some of you "grown ups" may say...hey, its for your own good, or you damn kids deserve it...think of the uprising it would have caused at your school in the 70's.
I dont condone smoking pot, drinking, X, crystal meth, angel hair, pixie dust, whatever your thing is. but it is a known fact that a LOT of high schoolers drink...most of their high school career in fact. there are just so many rediculous punishments for testing positive that it isnt even funny.

btw, if you refuse the test, you are not allowed to park on school grounds for 1 YEAR and you miss half the season of whatever sport you're in...or 1/4 the season if you're in two sports. also if you fail the test or deny it, you can be kicked out of your club...even drama or band.

sorry, but school starts tomorrow and i really have to rant! :flipoff2:

"I'd like to help ya son, but you're too young to vote" :flipoff2:

Its for your own damn good! Ya damn whippersnapper!:flipoff2:

that does sound pretty terrible. sounds like it encourages smoking pot and doing nothing

:eek: Wow thats freakin' insane, what a bunch of bullshit! Does everyone at your school think this is ok? :confused: I'm sure if everyone stopped taking the drug tests and the school was suddenly left without any sports teams or clubs you'd get someones attention. If you don't like the way things are do something aboot it! :mad:

I see the continued invasion of your personal space by the school authorities as a nice government training program. In my day, it was locker searches, cops on campus, cameras and metal detectors (didn't have those at my school.)

Every generation, it gets tougher. As it does, the preceding generations see nothing wrong with a nice, incremental increase of scrutiny and supervision.

My question is, if we are supervising our kids more, and we are obviously not changing their behavior (as evidenced by the call for more and more overlord-ship), then why are we continuing with the same old tactics?

Scary trend as far as I'm concerned. How oh how did we ever function as a society w/o cameras, drug tests, and scruitinizing surveillance? OMG, so scary! Begs a lot of questions for society at large.

Drug tests and metal detectors would have been pure black helicopter territory for kids in the 70s. What do we consider conspiracy-theory, and how long until it's implemented?

Grammar edit.

Yes my school sucks because all the pop machines on campus are Pepsi. :barf:

Originally posted by offroadr35
that does sound pretty terrible. sounds like it encourages smoking pot and doing nothing

exactly...the less you do, the more time you have to smoke pot! and most of the pot smokers dont have cars cause they dont have their liscences! so, they sit around and smoke pot and dont get tested...cool huh!

Originally posted by rusted
I see the continued invasion of your personal space by the school authorities as a nice government training program.

High school is boot camp for a desk job :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Mr McGee
angel hair,

Those damned kids and their pasta




pixie dust, [/QUOTE]

fawkin fairies:flipoff2:

oh yeah, and they're taking out our pop machines "because they're bad for our health"....i see it as a ploy to make us buy more stuff from the cafeteria!

Originally posted by rusted
Scary trend as far as I'm concerned. How oh how did we ever function as a society w/o cameras, drug tests, and scruitinizing surveillance? OMG, so scary! Begs a lot of questions for society at large.


Yeah, how well did we manage before 11 year olds were having babies, and 12 year olds know how to cook meth, and 13 year olds may well have killed... more than once? :(

I wonder if you'll pop positive for cough syrup? :roxy:

Originally posted by fj40john

Those damned kids and their pasta




pixie dust,

fawkin fairies:flipoff2: [/QUOTE]

lol :D

Originally posted by Mr McGee
oh yeah, and they're taking out our pop machines "because they're bad for our health"....i see it as a ploy to make us buy more stuff from the cafeteria!


Those pop machines were put there originally because someone on the shool board sold out to ADVERTISING DOLLARS... how is that any better?

Originally posted by Roxywheels
I wonder if you'll pop positive for cough syrup? :roxy:

shit! i hope not!...:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by DRM



Yeah, how well did we manage before 11 year olds were having babies, and 12 year olds know how to cook meth, and 13 year olds may well have killed... more than once? :(

Sounds like The Five Points. But that was 1850, and it was bathtub gin. ;)

Originally posted by DRM



Those pop machines were put there originally because someone on the shool board sold out to ADVERTISING DOLLARS... how is that any better?

all i know is i dont have pop between classes any more and i am PISSED! that is not better! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Berzerker
:eek: Wow thats freakin' insane, what a bunch of bullshit! Does everyone at your school think this is ok? :confused: I'm sure if everyone stopped taking the drug tests and the school was suddenly left without any sports teams or clubs you'd get someones attention. If you don't like the way things are do something aboot it! :mad:


Sounds like a plan to me :)

Originally posted by rusted


Sounds like The Five Points. But that was 1850, and it was bathtub gin. ;)


Someone's got a certain movie fresh on their mind :p

Originally posted by Berzerker
:eek: Wow thats freakin' insane, what a bunch of bullshit! Does everyone at your school think this is ok? :confused: I'm sure if everyone stopped taking the drug tests and the school was suddenly left without any sports teams or clubs you'd get someones attention. If you don't like the way things are do something aboot it! :mad:

nobody at my school has any freakin motovation nor do they want to take the time to "care" about the situation. :rolleyes:

As I said to you last night, our school decides they can serach
any vehicle parked on the grounds if they feel so inclined. Lockers
are also subject to search. We do not have drug tests.

I think this is insane. If one is forced to go to school by law, then
one cannot be subject to these searches and tests. If you go to a
private school, that's their rules, have 'em. But you cannot force
someone to attend school and then force them to test.

Originally posted by DRM



Someone's got a certain movie fresh on their mind :p

Yes, and it's a valid point.

Human behavior hasn't gotten 'worse' in the last ten years. Humans have behaved the same for thousands of years. I thought we agreed on this point?

Originally posted by rusted


Yes, and it's a valid point.

Human behavior hasn't gotten 'worse' in the last ten years. Humans have behaved the same for thousands of years. I thought we agreed on this point?


Who said it has gotten worse? I am just stating it is more widespread, and it shows up with YOUNGER kids every year.

Originally posted by Mr McGee


nobody at my school has any freakin motovation nor do they want to take the time to "care" about the situation. :rolleyes:

I'd still encourage you to try something. Throw up some fliers and have a meeting and see who else shows up, you might be suprized :confused:

Besides what the hell else is there to do in Wisconsin? :flipoff2:

Come awn! Piss some people off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Originally posted by DRM



Who said it has gotten worse? I am just stating it is more widespread, and it shows up with YOUNGER kids every year.

btw, i only know of 2 girls in the entire school that have kids...and they are fuckin ugly and i dont know how or why it happened. nobody in our school is really into anything else but drinking and pot.

Originally posted by Berzerker
Come awn! Piss some people off!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

geez, give me a challenge! :D

Originally posted by DRM



Who said it has gotten worse? I am just stating it is more widespread, and it shows up with YOUNGER kids every year.

You stated neither that it was worse, nor more widespread. You simply pointed out a couple of human evils in such a way that could be interpreted as being somehow worse than before, and that new controls were neccessary to contain that behavior.

So if you're not stating human behavior is worse, but that bad behavior is more widespread... that only makes sense, since there are simply more humans to behave badly. I don't see a need to panic or condemn, or condone government intrusion. Looks like business as usual to me.. :confused:

Originally posted by DRM

it shows up with YOUNGER kids every year.

As far as younger, I disagree. Perhaps younger than the preceding 50 years, but not younger than history as a whole. For the greater part of American history, boys picked up the mantle of manhood at a younger age, usually before graduating high school, and that means crime as well.

Girls, for the most part of human history, have become married and sexually active as soon as reaching menarche, as evidenced by this practice in basically every single primitive society I've ever heard of. Check the age of consent laws. They peaked out at 18 after rising for decades, in about the early 90s. They're back down to 16 for most of the nation today.

Rusted - you seem to like tangents :p


Looks to me like a case of "which came first - the chicken or the egg?"


Do we have more school privacy intrusions because younger kids are getting into more trouble, or do we have more kids getting into trouble because of the intrusions on privacy? I know which one makes more sense to me...

according to a fairly new ruling in TX, we cant have coke (generic term for pop, cola, whatever the hell you wanna call it) machines in teh cafeteria, so they moved them outside some double doors into the halls, follows the new rule, students just have to walk 10 more feet to get a drink.:rolleyes:

only time you ever got introuble for drugs in my school was if they caught you with them. people regualrly talked about what they had at home, had doen the past weekend, what they were buying this afternoon, etc. in the halls in front of teachers.

MY gfs mom taught jr. high until this year. they started having problems with the grade 6-8 crowd having sex in the bathrooms between (and during) classes. couple of jr. high moms wandering around.

My gf took pictures for their 8th grade dance, and i went with her to keep her company. little fawking 8th graders throwin gang signs in the pictures...which the APs look at and give to the cops. fawkin morons.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by DRM
Rusted - you seem to like tangents :p




Learning from the best.... :laughing:

Originally posted by rusted


As far as younger, I disagree. Perhaps younger than the preceding 50 years, but not younger than history as a whole. For the greater part of American history, boys picked up the mantle of manhood at a younger age, usually before graduating high school, and that means crime as well.

Girls, for the most part of human history, have become married and sexually active as soon as reaching menarche, as evidenced by this practice in basically every single primitive society I've ever heard of. Check the age of consent laws. They peaked out at 18 after rising for decades, in about the early 90s. They're back down to 16 for most of the nation today.

i just did a check of wi consent laws...parental consent is 16 and non parental consent is 18.
are these the laws regarding sex? do i have to ask my parents if i can have sex or what?

Originally posted by DRM
I know which one makes more sense to me...

the last one :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by rusted


As far as younger, I disagree. Perhaps younger than the preceding 50 years, but not younger than history as a whole. For the greater part of American history, boys picked up the mantle of manhood at a younger age, usually before graduating high school, and that means crime as well.

Girls, for the most part of human history, have become married and sexually active as soon as reaching menarche, as evidenced by this practice in basically every single primitive society I've ever heard of. Check the age of consent laws. They peaked out at 18 after rising for decades, in about the early 90s. They're back down to 16 for most of the nation today.


Sorry Rusted - that doesn't cut it. Check out the medial age for marriage today. Check out the medial age for assumption of "adult" status today. They are headed UP, not DOWN. That is in direct conflict with your theory.

No, these kids are "playing" adult, trying to assume all of the dressings, but not ready for the responsibilities.

100 years ago, mid teen girls *were* having kids. But they were also running a household, working 10-12 hour days, and operating as true ADULTS.

I am sure you can see the BIG difference...

Originally posted by DRM
100 years ago, mid teen girls *were* having kids.

I've been doing a lot of geneological research on my family and from what I've read I would have to dissagree. It seems to me that mid-teen pregnancies and teen marriages were no more prevalent 100 years ago than they are today.

Originally posted by DRM



Sorry Rusted - that doesn't cut it. Check out the medial age for marriage today. Check out the medial age for assumption of "adult" status today. They are headed UP, not DOWN. That is in direct conflict with your theory.

No, these kids are "playing" adult, trying to assume all of the dressings, but not ready for the responsibilities.

100 years ago, mid teen girls *were* having kids. But they were also running a household, working 10-12 hour days, and operating as true ADULTS.

I am sure you can see the BIG difference... \

My point was, that except for just a few years ago, AOCs HAVE been heading up. We're agreeing, enough talking about that, perhaps I didn't make myself clear.

It's also true that young women have been exploited throughout history. Now, if school drug tests, cameras and metal detectors are going to fix that problem, or the host of problems facing ANY adolescent in ANY age, I have absolutely no idea how that's going to happen. Which is irrelevant, because we know it DOESN'T work. If it did, then things would have been getting better since the mid-80s when school surveillance really got kicked off the ground.

My point being, it doesn't help. People have behaved this way, and worse, in history. The only new factor seems to be single-parenthood, and it's attendant problems.

Now, to cure that, we need to roll back most of the social innovations of the late-20th century: Equal gender rights, birth control, easy divorce and marital human-property laws.

I'd argue that the above has more to do with 14 year old girls married and acting as adults than anything else. When a girl got pregnant in the 19th century, (and it happened often, very often), the solution was for her to be married and assume the adulthood she screwed herself into, if I may make a pun. Because people have been fawking around early, committing crimes and the like forever. It's just that now, basically, society tolerates this behavior and even celebrates it in the case of females. It shows 'guts' and 'independence.'

That's a whole different can of worms.

Now you may disagree with me about how young people acted more mature in the old days. I say there was no magic forumla for maturity back then other than daddy's shotgun and absolutely no other options than marriage.

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon


I've been doing a lot of geneological research on my family and from what I've read I would have to dissagree. It seems to me that mid-teen pregnancies and teen marriages were no more prevalent 100 years ago than they are today.

Maybe not in your family.

Unfortunately, we don't really have any statistics for this issue from 100 years ago.

What we do have is some indirect evidence. Halfway houses, young mother's houses, quite adoption and convents, trips and vacations to 'relatives' for the upper-middle class. Things that almost don't exist these days.

Those things are regular players in period literature. I'm sure you've read about them. Every good-sized city had it's young mother's house. For God's sake, orphanges were rampant back in the old days, if we believe literature.

That was for the women who DIDN'T simply marry, perhaps those where WERE too young, 11, 12 and maybe 13. Because the usual solution, if the father was available (not married already), was simply marriage. And that happened often enough.

i got two weeks left:flipoff2:


then I go to school to wrench :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Personally i think the whole deal about drug testing and what not is total bullshit. What happened to having the parent do the work?? Has it now become to the point where the government intervene into the personal lives of their students?? I thought the whole reason for school was to EDUCATE kids not regulate on what they do on their own time. I know plenty of guys that smoked weed and drank all the time and still pulled off good grades. In fact at the college i goto (Oregon State University) i know a guy that is an avid pot smoker and he is on the honor roll in the engineering program and the engineering program is extremely hard.

The high school that i went to (South Salem High School), things were pretty laxed. We didn't have metal detectors, camera's, drug testing, etc. I knew plenty of kids that would talk about smoking weed or drinking or the party that they were at on the weekend during class all the time, and the teachers did nothing. Most of the kids were smart enough not to bring it to school or not do it in school. On another note one of the other high schools McNary they were basically communists. One kid complained that they didnt' feel safe when kids wore camo to school so they outlawed wearing camo. WTF is that??

A school should only test for drugs if they have enough evidence that the student is intaking/selling drugs at school or is affecting the kids around them. Trying to regulate on something like alcohol or drugs will just make kids want to do it more because it's rebellious. Plenty of people that i know that have turned 21 have said that the whole alcohol thing got old once they were of age because it wasn't really doing something "illegal".

your school blows man. that whole drug testing thing just takes away your rights to privacy. and about the soda machine thing i think they should keep em there but have em half full of OJ or apple juice or milk or water and have that stuff cheaper than the soda. im starting this health trip since i took a health science class last semester. just never realized so much shit was bad for you. thats why im tryin to drink tea or juice instead of soda and NEVER GO TO MCDONALDS AGAIN

When the teachers or whomever ask you to take a drug test, give them the finger. Don't park on campus....no big deal. You may not be able to get the students to put up a protest but you don't have to give in because everyone else does. Hell if they notify your parents of you rejecting to get tested tell them how you feel.

I thought my HS was bad, it was seemingly built like a *prison* w/ only one easy way out, closed lunch, crappy ass food, and i used to get parking tickets all the damn time and most of the time I was parked legally. Hell I ditched class all the time w/o getting caught, its not difficult. I drank during HS and talked about drinking all the time in class.....the teachers can't do anything about it. But those who brought it to school were caught, and should be. Word gets around in high school, noone knows how to keep their fawkin mouth shut.

Just tell them to fuck off, as for Soda just bring your own, that shits not really that good for you anways. If they don't check the parking lot at your school park there. We had sophomores parking in our lot all the time (upper classmen only were allowed to park in the lot).

well i dont drink soda that often anyways, so thats not that big of a deal. but, if you dont park on campus, there isnt anywhere else for you to park! the nearest p-lot is a church and if you park there you get a 250 dollar trespassing fine. the nearest city street is about a fawkin mile away and the street near the school is a highway! if you drive there, they got you between a rock and a hard place. :mad: :mad: