Is it ok to weld bumpers to the frame?, at first i was thinking that it would not be a good idea because of all the stress that is put on it from the winch, but then i got thinking, most people weld their sliders to the frame and they get just as much stress put on them as a winch bumper does... So whats your opinions??
Should bumpers be welded on or bolted on?...
lata,

Bolted as I seem to always be making new ones...easier to remove when they are smashed also...my sliders are removable also...repairs are so much better when I dont have to torch them off.:D

What 5spd said. In the long run bolt would be easyer.
I don't see why welding wouldn't work though, as long as they are good welds.
:usa:

I welded mine on and then later tied it into the cage....

yup....welded....them suckers aint never comming off:D:(

Yep. Weld that sucker on and forget about it.

If it is a gay looking bumper bolt it, so you can sell it.
If it is dope looking,start F@cking welding.

Weld It Then just GET-IT

Burn that Shat! No really, it's just easier that way.:)

Cool, thats what i was was thinking.
Yes its a sweet bumper, its the All Pro bumper., and i plan on tying it into my exo cage so that bitch is gonna get welded on tonight!
thanks guys, lata,;)

You KNOW how strong bolts are, but you don't know how strong your welds are. But some bumper designs might not allow for easy bolting on the frame....

Originally posted by fatkid
Burn that Shat! No really, it's just easier that way.:)

Yup drill holes takes to long, weld it on and forgot about it, its not hard to cut off later if you want it off

Weld it!

Weld 'em then wail on 'em!!

But make sure if yer gonna be winchin' that you do some cross-bracing...
You don't wanna end up tweaking your frame to one side!

Bolt it if you use your truck your going to bend it. everytime you weld it to your frame you weaken your frame. So I say bolt it, bumpers are like fashion, a couple of years from now some one will come out with a kickass bumper that will make yours look like sh**t so bolt it ....don't you want to be trendy

Originally posted by Lame
You KNOW how strong bolts are, but you don't know how strong your welds are. But some bumper designs might not allow for easy bolting on the frame....

Every time I see this arguement it makes me laugh. D rings on tanks, welded. D rings on tug boats, welded. D rings on heavy equipment (dump trucks, tractors etc), welded. Ya really think they go through and x-ray each and every single one of those? So, assuming a competent welder this arguement is inherently flawed. Sorry. I'd weld it. It's not all that difficult to grind, gouge, or cut it off later.

Yeah right every time a competent welder welds he gets paid. I say bolt it with grade 8 bolts. take as much as those welds ...and you can change designs if you chose without welding.......stated by a competent welder

Yah right, if you build it right you'll never bend it. I took my welded bumber off and it took 2 minutes with a blue tip wrench. much easier than lining up bolt holes to put it on.

And for whoever was worried about the welded bumper with a winch putting to much stress on the frame where do you think a bolted bumper puts stress.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by sawzall
Yah right, if you build it right you'll never bend it. I took my welded bumber off and it took 2 minutes with a blue tip wrench. much easier than lining up bolt holes to put it on.

And for whoever was worried about the welded bumper with a winch putting to much stress on the frame where do you think a bolted bumper puts stress.:flipoff2:

Is this a trick question??

hmmm I say "on the bolts"

did I win??

Originally posted by sawzall
Yah right, if you build it right you'll never bend it. I took my welded bumber off and it took 2 minutes with a blue tip wrench. much easier than lining up bolt holes to put it on.
And for whoever was worried about the welded bumper with a winch putting to much stress on the frame where do you think a bolted bumper puts stress.:flipoff2:
Go back and REREAD what yer yapping about!! :flipoff2:

:rolleyes:I agreed with the welding... but sed you should do some crossbracing and sed nuthin' about bolts & stress. Of course they are gonna take the stress just like the welds.
Being a supreme being you have :rolleyes:obviously heard of HITCH CLASS?!? Any moron can slap a piece of metal across the back side of their rig and call it a bumper, But I wouldn't go wiching off of it.:p The better the crossbracing the higher the hitch is rated in class, amongst other factors.

THAT is what I said, just in fewer words! :flipoff2:

And make sure you send MoabAustin a Brownie point! :laughing:

Originally posted by TANKOMA
Is it ok to weld bumpers to the frame?...

I like welding them on for CJ's, EB's and other things with weak front frames. It not only helps strengthen the front section (for winches, etc) but it gives me a place to mount spring perches further forward (to extend the wheelbase) - which helps short WB rigs.

I used this on my 67 Scout to get an over-all WB of 102.5"
http://www.dandcextreme.com/beater/800/image/get2bl.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/beater/800/image/get2el.jpg http://www.dandcextreme.com/beater/800/image/get2gl.jpg
You can see that the aproach angle is greatly enhanced and makes the small rocks easy to climb.
http://kronos3.konnections.com/ih/rmb/snoopy/110501/6l.jpg http://kronos3.konnections.com/ih/rmb/snoopy/110501/1l.jpg

Oh, and yes, it's got a cage in it now!

http://www.dandcextreme.com/cage4.jpg

SHHWWEEET SCOUT!! Gettin it good out there!!

Like I said before... weld it, then wail on it!! :D

Kickass Scout man!!!!! GET IT!!!;)

Hey you silly Disney character get your Newbie panties out of a wad :flipoff2: because I wasn't even refering to your post. I was refering to tankoma's question where he seemed to be comparing the strength of the frame with the different methods of attachment.:rolleyes: Of course crossbracing is a good idea and my 1/4" wall tubing makes for an excellent new front crossmember.

Good start now finish that thought, what are the bolts attached to?
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. thats right the frame:flipoff2: grade 8 bolts WON"T bend or shear so they would of course transfer all the stress directly to the frame.

Here is what I do. I bolt it to the frame, and then weld the mounting brakets on. Yes weld fail, yes bolts break. If you have both theres a backup. I also do this because some events I go to require a min. of 4 grade 5 bolts for mounting the bumper to the frame, and min. 3 grade 5 bolts for rolcage to frame mounting.

HTH

Originally posted by sawzall
Hey you silly Disney character get your Newbie panties out of a wad :flipoff2:

I gotta wad for ya... if it helps to call it "panties" feel free!! :flipoff2:

But that's because when I try to weld shit I just blow holes in the steel. :rasta:

just because most said to weld...........:D

do both then winch like hella all day long.:D

:beer: :usa: