: Goose Neck Failure!


HMD
09-04-2003, 01:13 PM
Last night I got stopped just before leaving work by my friend who needed help. He runs auto transport and has a Chavy 3500 with 45' goose neck wedge deck trailer - hauls 3 vehicles easily. I had told him that I didn't like the installation of the goose neck ball mount in the bed the day he brought it home from the trailer shop (note: Maryland Guys - stay clear of the trailer place in Seabrook MD). The main plate is mounted through the top flanges of the truck frame (I don't think it's cosher, but I'm no expert, I'm into big trucks / equipment, and it hasn't failed yet) with 4 1/2" grade 5 bolts - not much to be pulling that much around. Not to mention the fact that the standard procedure for big trucks is NEVER, drill into the frame flanges - only the sides. I warned him that it may eventually crack the truck frame.
Last night, his driver called in saying the ball let loose from the main plate.
He parked the trailer (luckily the broken ball mount jammed itself well enough that the trailer did actually break free) and hauled ass to my shop.
What I found was this - the ball had been welded to the wide side of a piece of 4" structural channel which was then welded to the main plate, short sides down. The wide side of that kind of channel is only about 3/16" thick. That's what has been carrying the load - a piece of 3/16" steel! You could see where it just flexxed all this time until it finally cracked and let go.
I trimmed it out, made a 1/2" plate with a hole to weld the ball through from both sides first, braced it with an extra little gusset of 1/2" and dropped it into the channel and welded all the way around. I don't think it will tear loose again.
Too bad the whole main plate will either pull those bolts out or the truck frame will eventually crack.
The moral here is just know who's setting up you're trailer hitch and be sure they can do it right. ( I didn't even go into the numerous times I have repaired that 3 car trailer from cracking / tearing itself apart)

FYRMAN
09-04-2003, 02:53 PM
This is the exact reason I will not do hitches like that. They are just a headache waiting to happen.

Just think what would have happened if the trailer came loose on the freeway during rush hour.



I install the B&W Turnoverball gooseneck hitch. I have never seen or heard of any failures with these hitches, and I've seen them run through their paces. Rated at 30,000lbs., and OK'ed for commercial use. www.turnoverball.com

sceep
09-04-2003, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by FYRMAN




I install the B&W Turnoverball gooseneck hitch. I have never seen or heard of any failures with these hitches, and I've seen them run through their paces. Rated at 30,000lbs., and OK'ed for commercial use. www.turnoverball.com

nice setup, got any recomendations for soemthing rated higher than that?

we're pullin 50k regularly.

HMD
09-04-2003, 04:01 PM
Yeah, that turnoverball looks like a great set-up. I would do somethiong like that if it where mine - bolted to the SIDES of the frame and some real structure around the ball - but my buddy set this truck up in a hurry when his previous F350 quit.

FYRMAN
09-04-2003, 07:52 PM
Originally posted by sceep


nice setup, got any recomendations for soemthing rated higher than that?

we're pullin 50k regularly.


Class 8 semi. :laughing:

KS Toy
09-04-2003, 08:20 PM
Originally posted by FYRMAN



Class 8 semi. :laughing:

No shit. I hope that 50,000 is NOT behind a pick-up.

AZFord4x4
09-04-2003, 09:26 PM
since Sceep's not around right now, I'll give him a hand...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1727105

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1136748

Dustin Smith
09-05-2003, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by sceep


nice setup, got any recomendations for soemthing rated higher than that?

we're pullin 50k regularly.

We used to oull that kinda weight on a gooseneck fairly regularly, and the setup we used was a 2 5/16 ball with a kingpis as the shanl...fit right in the fifth wheel hitch,a nd worked great..I will try and see where we got that one at.

rusted
09-05-2003, 05:40 AM
Originally posted by liliysdad


We used to oull that kinda weight on a gooseneck fairly regularly, and the setup we used was a 2 5/16 ball with a kingpis as the shanl...fit right in the fifth wheel hitch,a nd worked great..I will try and see where we got that one at.

WTF is a 'kingpis as the shanl'? I wish I could understand this post, I suspect there may be some value, but we may never know...

NastyNate
09-05-2003, 06:40 AM
I have a unagoose hitch. I think its pretty damn stout as well. But, I haven't installed it yet.
Una-Goose (http://www.unagoose.com/)

sceep
09-05-2003, 06:55 AM
Originally posted by AZFord4x4
since Sceep's not around right now, I'll give him a hand...



Thanks matt :beer:

Thats our rig and trailer setup. With 3 rigs being about as light as it ever sees. :D

sceep
09-05-2003, 08:10 AM
Originally posted by rusted


WTF is a 'kingpis as the shanl'? I wish I could understand this post, I suspect there may be some value, but we may never know...


translation "kingpin as the shank"

Basically a 2 5/8"s ball that slips into the semi hitch plate to act as a gooseneck ball ;)

Great idea except the hitch plate is no longer on our rig. It has been converted to flatbed now.

Oxjockey
09-05-2003, 11:19 AM
You're pulling less than 20k lb...did you think that added up to 50k lb?! Hope someone has their CDL...

Or maybe I'm just missing something.

:confused:

sceep
09-05-2003, 11:34 AM
yes that is a light load. yes i have a class A.

GloNDark
09-05-2003, 03:33 PM
"You know you're a redneck....."

:laughing: That's awesome!

pimptony
09-05-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by GloNDark
"You know you're a redneck....."

:laughing: That's awesome!

You know you're a redneck if.....All your tow rigs or what is being hauled is worth more the your two rig.

Oh and 'kingpis as the shanl' is Okie for, what is a "skool?" You have to be around them to understand them. I apolgize for the whole state.

What's worse then hell?






Being from Oklahoma.:flipoff2: