: something ive wondered for a long time


Al Kaholick
09-11-2003, 02:50 PM
how were tobacco and marijuana and other smokables discovered? did people just go around drying and burning plans and breathing the smoke until they found ones they liked? What happened to the guy that tried poison oak?

Ive wondered about that, and have yet to hear an answer.

Sully
09-11-2003, 02:59 PM
Probably people tossing the plants in a campfire, and realizing that they had some nifty side effects!


As for poison oak, that's BAD news! Our neighbor rooted up a bunch of poison ivy and threw it on a brush fire without knowing what it was. She spent several days in the hospital on steroids with poison ivy rash inside her throat and lungs. :eek: :barf:

SanDiegoCJ
09-11-2003, 03:03 PM
Google is your friend. :D :D :D


http://www.historian.org/bysubject/tobacco1.htm



IN THE BEGINNING . . .

Huron Indian myth has it that in ancient times, when the land was barren and the people were starving, the Great Spirit sent forth a woman to save humanity. As she traveled over the world, everywhere her right hand touched the soil, there grew potatoes. And everywhere her left hand touched the soil, there grew corn. And when the world was rich and fertile, she sat down and rested. When she arose, there grew tobacco . . .


TOBACCO TIMELINE

Last major update: 04/22/97
Thanks to tobacco researcher Larry Breed (LB) for his contributions. He recently found a little tome called "This Smoking World" (1927), and shared some of its events (TSW). I am also beginning to incorporate events referenced in Richard Kluger's monumental Ashes to Ashes (RK) and The American Tobacco Story (ATS). Another important source is Bill Drake's wonderful The European Experience With Native American Tobacco (BD)
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• The sacred origin of tobacco and the first pipe (Schoolcraft)
• c. 6000 BC: Experts believe the tobacco plant, as we know it today, begins growing in the Americas.
• c. 1 BCE: Experts believe American inhabitants begin finding ways to use tobacco, including smoking (via a number of variations) and in enemas.
• c. 1 CE: Tobacco was "nearly everywhere" in the Americas. (American Heritage Book of Indians, p.41).
• 600-1000 CE: UAXACTUN, GUATEMALA. First pictorial record of smoking: A pottery vessel found here dates from before the 11th century. On it a Maya is depicted smoking a roll of tobacco leaves tied with a string. The Mayan term for smoking was sik'ar
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Introduction:
The Chiapas Gift, or The Indians' Revenge?

• 1492-10-15: Columbus Discovers Smoking
• 1497: Robert Pane, who accompanied Christopher Columbus on his second voyage in 1493, writes the first report of native tobacco use to appear in Europe.

• 1518: MEXICO: JUAN DE GRIJALVA lands in Yucatan, observes cigarette smoking by natives (ATS)
• 1519: MEXICO: CORTEZ conquers AZTEC capitol, finds Mexican natives smoking perfumed reed cigarettes.(ATS)
• 1530: MEXICO: BERNARDINO DE SAHAGUN, missionary in Mexico, distinguishes between sweet commercial tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) and coarse Nicotiana rustica.(ATS)
• 1531: SANTO DOMINGO: European cultivation of tobacco begins
• 1534: CUBA, SANTO DOMINGO: "Tall tobacco"Ρsweet, broadleaved Nicotiana tabacumΡtransplanted from Central American mainland to Cuba and Santo Domingo.(ATS)
• 1548: BRAZIL: Portuguese cultivate tobacco for commercial export.
• 1554: ANTWERP: 'Cruydeboeck' presents first illustration of tobacco. (LB)
• 1535: CANADA: Jacques Cartier encounters natives on the island of Montreal who use tobacco.
• 1556: FRANCE: Tobacco is introduced. Thevet transplants Nicotiana tabacum from Brazil, describes tobacco as a creature comfort. (ATS)
• 1558: PORTUGAL: Tobacco is introduced.
• 1559: SPAIN: Tobacco is introduced.
• 1560: PORTUGAL, FRANCE: Jean Nicot de Villemain, France's ambassador to Portugal, writes of tobacco's medicinal properties, describing it as a panacea. Nicot sends rustica plants to French court.
• 1564 or 1565: ENGLAND: Tobacco is introduced by Sir John Hawkins and/or his crew. For the next twenty years in England, tobacco is used cheifly by sailors, including those employed by Sir Francis Drake.
• 1566: FRANCE: Nicot sends snuff to Catherine de Medici, Queen of France, to treat her migraine headaches. She later decrees tobacco be termed Herba Regina
• 1568: FRANCE: Andre Thevet provides first description of tobacco use. In Brazil, he wrote, the people smoke it and it cleans the "superfluous humours of the brain". Thevet smoked it himself. (LB)
• 1570: Claimed first botanical book on tobacco written by Pena and Lobel of London.(TSW)
• 1571: SPAIN: MEDICINE: Monardes, a doctor in Seville, reports on the latest craze among Spanish doctors--the wonders of the tobacco plant, which herbalists are growing all over Spain. Monardes lists 36 maladies tobacco cures.
• 1573: ENGLAND: Sir Francis Drake returns from Americas with 'Nicotina tobacum'. (LB)
• 1575: MEXICO: LEGISLATION: Roman Catholic Church passes a law against smoking in any place of worship in the Spanish Colonies
• 1577: ENGLAND: MEDICINE: Frampton translates Monardes into English. European doctors look for new cures--tobacco is recommended for toothache, falling fingernails, worms, halitosis, lockjaw & cancer
• 1580: CUBA: European cultivation of tobacco begins
• 1585: ENGLAND: Sir Francis Drake introduces smoking to Sir Walter Raleigh (BD)
• 1586: Ralph Lane, first governor of Virginia, teaches Sir Walter Raleigh to smoke the long-stemmed clay pipe Lane is credited with inventing (BD).(TSW)
• 1586: GERMANY: 'De plantis epitome utilissima' offers one of first cautions to use of tobacco, calling it a "violent herb". (LB)
• 1586: ENGLAND: Tobacco Arrives in English Society. In July 1586, some of the Virginia colonists returned to England and disembarked at Plymouth smoking tobacco from pipes, which caused a sensation. William Camden (1551-1623) a contemporary witness, reports that "These men who were thus brought back were the first that I know of that brought into England that Indian plant which they call Tabacca and Nicotia, or Tobacco" Tobacco in the Elizabethan age was known as "sotweed." (BD)
• 1587: ANTWERP: First published work totally on tobacco, 'De herbe panacea', with numerous recipies and claims of cures. (LB)
• 1588: Hariot writes about tobacco in Virginia
• 1590: LITERATURE: Spenser's Fairy Queen: earliest poetical allusion to tobacco in English literature. (Book III, Canto VI, 32).
• 1595: ENGLAND: Tabacco, the first book in the English language devoted to the subject of tobacco, is published
• 1595: Matoaka is born to Chief Powhatan. She is given the nickname Pocahontas--"Frisky," "Playful One" or "Mischief"
• 1596: LITERATURE: Ben Jonson's Every Man in His Humor is acted on the 25th of November, 1596, and printed in 1601. In Act III, Scene 2, Bobadilla (pro) and Cob (con) argue about tobacco. (BD)

Dustin Smith
09-11-2003, 03:15 PM
So, tobacco sprang forth frm a womans arse...no wonder I like it so....

JEFFakaMAX
09-11-2003, 03:39 PM
On a similar note...
You know who the bravest man in the world is?

The first one to drink White Stuff from a Cow!

SanDiegoCJ
09-11-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by JEFFakaMAX
On a similar note...
You know who the bravest man in the world is?

The first one to drink White Stuff from a Cow!


How about the first person to pick up an oyster, crack it open
and eat it raw. :flipoff2: Personally, I love raw oysters, but
that took some guts for the first person to try one.

TexasBlake
09-11-2003, 03:44 PM
I forgot what culture it was (I believe a central american). But one of the earliest ways to smoke marijuana was to put it all in a bonfire. They would set a tent under the bonfire, and go run inside and inhale all the smoke.

LCL
09-11-2003, 03:45 PM
what about the first guy to tie a big length of rubber to his ankles
and wrap it around a bridge, then jump off?

ForestCam
09-11-2003, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Thomas A. Conte
what about the first guy to tie a big length of rubber to his ankles
and wrap it around a bridge, then jump off?

That would have been the Vanuatu in the South Pacific.
http://www.immerz.de/Helga/Vanuatu/Pentecost/Pentec_Springer.jpg
http://www.immerz.de/Helga/Vanuatu/Pentecost/Pentec_Landung.jpg

jeepyj
09-11-2003, 06:56 PM
How many people do you think died trying to figure out which mushrooms you could eat? There's only about 12 zillion different kinds.

YellowSub1962
09-11-2003, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by TexasBlake
They would set a tent under the bonfire, and go run inside and inhale all the smoke.

were they really small people?




or was it a really big bonfire?


:usa:

Gen. Nonsense
09-11-2003, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by TexasBlake
They would set a tent under the bonfire, and go run inside and inhale all the smoke. I want to know how they got the tent under the bonfire.

Frankie_Bones
09-11-2003, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by Peter S. Di Primo


were they really small people?




or was it a really big bonfire?


:usa:



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