After reading the following, I was wondering what the Pirate Board was "about"

--discoweb is not "about" how to do it the cheapest way, it's about how to do it the best way. if you cant afford the best way, start saving.--

What would you guys say?

TrevorH

Why not just hang out and find out for yourself?

I hang out here quite often, probably way more than I should during the average working day, its just that I don't usually have much to add to the threads.

TrevorH

Then perhaps d-web is more your style! :flipoff2: :D

If you are seriously asking this question (if you don't already know the answer)....Dweb will answer it best for you.

If your not....:flipoff2: Quit trying to pad your count. :flipoff2:

-Jeff

edited for the spelling police

Originally posted by trevorh
After reading the following, I was wondering what the Pirate Board was "about"

--discoweb is not "about" how to do it the cheapest way, it's about how to do it the best way. if you cant afford the best way, start saving.--

What would you guys say?

TrevorH

Pirate is about doing it your own way. There is enough technical information available to you to test different ideas before you apply them. There are enough technical experts to offer advice and/or criticism towards your ideas. In the end, it's YOUR choice, and do it the way YOU want, to suit YOUR needs, and/or YOUR budget.

If the person who is telling you to do it the "best" way is also the same person who is going to sell you this "best" way, then maybe it's time you do some research and think for yourself.

BTW, if you can't afford the best, buy a Discovery. Cheap-ass muthafawkers. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by trevorh
After reading the following, I was wondering what the Pirate Board was "about"

--discoweb is not "about" how to do it the cheapest way, it's about how to do it the best way. if you cant afford the best way, start saving.--

What would you guys say?

TrevorH

I'd say I want to know who to attribute that quote to, then I'll start making comments.

Dude, if you don't know what Pirate is 'about' then shut your pie-hole, quit posting stupid questions like you're on a fishing expedition, and start reading.

WTF does that mean anyway, the 'best' way.

Who are the 'best' police anyway that are deciding what is the best way.

:shaking:

Here you go:

http://www.discoweb.org/discus/messages/2/33332.html?1064350601

Scroll down to the fifth post. :D LOL :D

I find it to be very curious that I found the Pirate board as a result of negative comments toward the Pirate board on Discoweb. When I came here to check out what the furor was about, I was pleasantly surprised to find that folks here were actually building things, not merely bolting expensive parts onto their trucks. Clearly, this fits much better with my personal philosophy. Hence, if you are interested in actually building your truck, rather than bolting parts from Expedition Exchange onto your trucks, this is the place for you. If you are more inclined to begin insulting folks only for personal aggrandizement, Discoweb is the place for you. How and why I was banned from Discoweb remains a mystery, I guess they have no room for a Gentleman over there, good thing I found a home here.

If you want to speak with someone who has actually done something, versus either reading about it in one of the magazines, or watching through the window next to the latte machine at the the dealer's...

Here, we wheel our trucks, break them, improve them and further the state of the art through public disclosure and "Peer" review. Some of the contributors to the forum are accomplished published professionals in the field, something I aspire to.

As I feel there is room for all (until proven otherwise, and even then, it is the moderator's responsibility to correct), I will refrain from the less than positive comments. Stick around, read what interests you, ask questions when unclear, contribute when you think you have something to contribute, and by all means, if you come up with a unique idea to improve the present art, please make the comments that may improve all of our trucks.

BTW-I have yet another part cross reference/substitution to add to the mix.

Peace,
Paul

Paul, that was nice
:flipoff2:

Originally posted by DieLucas!


Pirate is about doing it your own way.

Wow - well said !


BTW, if you can't afford the best, buy a Discovery. [/B]

...or any other LR product :flipoff2:

keith
:usa:

[Rodney king voice\] Can't we all just get along?[/Rodney king voice]
I'm far from a hardcore wheeler.
In my opinion the difference between the two sites is this.
D-web seems to gravitate towards making their truck look good.
Pirate seems to put functionality before looks.
As I good give a rat's a$$ as to what my Rover looks like, because its just gonna get beat up on the trail....this site seems more suitable for me.
I also get the impression here that people are not just Rover fanactics, they are off-road fanatics and appreciate a Jeep, Toyota or what ever. Where dweb seems to be more of a rover elitist type of place.
Each has there value. This site just seems to be a better fit.

:flipoff:

I followed Darkstar's link to Dweb and read the post.

Rob was replying to some idiot's question about welding up his rear diff. Rob quickly dismissed the idea as pretty foolish, then made his comment about Dweb being about 'doing it the right way'.

I will agree with him about the foolishness of welding up a stock LR 3rd member.

He really made no reference to PBB, so really the reader of his post might not even know that we exist. Rob's response I believe was more toward the 'welding up your 3rd member is a bad idea, and doing some form, any form of locker was better.

I'm not sure he was specifically referencing PBB as the 'wrong' way to do things, he, in his opinion, was merely stating that Dweb was about doing things the right way.

I believe in this instance the PBB and the Dweb would agree that welding up a stock 3rd member is a bad idea.

Now...as far as us sitting on the 'other' side of the fence (so to speak), watching from the sidelines, we could easily interpret Rob's comments to be inflammatory. Given the history of these two boards it would be easy to draw conclusions that he is bashing PBB where when I read it I don't see it.

I don't want to come across as sounding like I'm soft on Dweb. I disagree with their attitude of 'it's my way or the highway', because we ALL know there are a thousand ways to skin a cat.

Theirs just involves some $6000 Japanese cat skinning knife, and ours involves a plasma torch.

Well put Michael ;) :beer:

Originally posted by Serious One



Theirs just involves some $6000 Japanese cat skinning knife, while wearing an Omega Speedmaster Pro and ours involves a plasma torch.

Fixed and added:

Or an angle grinder, sawzall, cutting torch, hacksaw, chisel, teeth, etc.

Originally posted by Serious One
I'm not sure he was specifically referencing PBB as the 'wrong' way to do things, he, in his opinion, was merely stating that Dweb was about doing things the right way.


No, Rob wasn't referencing PBB from what I can tell; and IMO, whether or not welding up your diff constitutes "butchering" your rig, you would have to note that should somebody seriously consider this modification, their rig is undoubtedly already well butchered :D (e.g. trail rig).

And Trevorh wasn't implying that the D-Web motto was in protest to PBB; he simply was asking what the consensus/motto was around here. Not that PBB and D-Web are polar opposites or anything, but this shouldn't become a board-war. Different strokes for different folks.

hi guys,

just to set the record. when i wrote that i wasn't trying to disrespect the pirate bbs. i didn't even consider the possiblilty.

i don't really have the authority to speak for "Discoweb" since i dont own it . in that statement i sort of did speak for it thought, my mistake. i guess i have a personal ideal of what i want discoweb to be and try to project that image so that people follow that example. i lead my life this way too.

a person above spoke about discoweb folks being interested in having good looking trucks, more about form following function. i agree.

for instance. my range rover has been my daily driver for over a year now. i have offroaded it zero times because it opens up the potential for me to damage something before i'm done restoring it cosmetically. that would divert my low funds into repairing something that was avoidable rather than making it look respectable. fixing the sagging headliner, rusty tailgate and gash in the door are more important to me than a winch at the moment. sure i could staple the roof up and putty the gash in the door and use the money for a locker or something, but i choose to wait.

guys over here i would think would be more inclined to spend the money on beefing it up than getting it looking good, or it beeeing beefed up is what makes it look good.

to me stock Range Rover classic LWB in white is the best looking auto you can have.

you will see this isnt my first post here. thought they are few and far between.

rd

The Pirate Board is all "about" me. I believe it was created to feed my all encompasing ego. Everyone is here to shower in my knowledge while I bath in thier ignorance. That is what it is "about." So why don't you post something about your personal projects and start bathing me. Don't drop the soap though, we got guys from Cally here.
I wonder how long I would last in the Dwebe with a mouth like that?

JP

Land Rover Tech content: I pulled my recently thrashed D90 on the lift yesterday. I think I will cut off the ears that hang down for the crossmember mount. They drag to much on rocks. And I need a skid plate now for my transfer case after UH.

Originally posted by nosivad_bor
to me stock Range Rover classic LWB in white is the best looking auto you can have.
rd

Dude!

I just happen to have one for sale!!!! :)

Hehe. Thanks for braving the waters and straightening things up.

Here's a salute for 'ya. :flipoff2:

(I really do have a '94 white LWB for sale...stock)

Originally posted by pendy

I wonder how long I would last in the Dwebe with a mouth like that?



Jim, you make it way too easy:flipoff2:

Good luck with your Defender, sounds like you guys had fun out there.

Who the fawk cares what it is 'about'. The question is "can I use this information to my advantage, and can someone else here benefit from my personal experience?" It's the internet for God's sake, not some friday night bridge-club. I've never been into Rovers to make friends or meet wheeling buddies etc... If there is good info to be had, I'm going to use it regardless of what site it is posted on. Being in the Rover business this long has shown me that for some strange reason people think that purchasing a Rover automatically makes them part of some 'special club'. I wheel with who I can get along with and trust, not beacuse of what they drive.

People get so caught up in this 'my rig is better than yours' or 'the site I use is better than yours'. Bunch of BS if you ask me.

From what I see, nobody here really cares if you like it or not, or use it or not. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS ME HERE!! :D

It's just a hobby......GET OVER IT!


Hoping this will piss somebody off....

Craig

Low-ass post count and proud of it...

Originally posted by Ran_over
Hoping this will piss somebody off....
Craig
Low-ass post count and proud of it...

Your low-ass post count is what's pissing me off.

I know you're keeping secrets...let's hear 'em man! :flipoff2:

I'm pissed off too. I thought I got a membership card when I bought my truck, but all I got was a payment book and a toll-free number to Rovers North:flipoff2:

This is a funny thread, mostly because this is not a LR-only phenomenom, each make has it's own "DiscoWeb", where people get so self-righteous and inflexible that participating in the forum becomes a chore and a hassle rather than a cool break from a tedious or stressful job. As a result, people with low BS-tolerance and a solid interest in the mechanical/fabrication/hard use of their vehicles tend to gravitate towards the Pirate Board.

I am a diehard Land Cruiser fan who has always been interested in Land Rovers, and the "bolt it on, it looks good" mentality of some sites has always been a source of amusement to me. I wouldn't get too worked about it, trying to understand the "philosophy" behind the website, or who's the perfect demographic sample for each site. That's too much effort and it doesn't really fit the Pirate Board.

If you are interested in Land Rovers, in using them, modifying them to your needs, if you're interested in fabrication, in the cutting edge of hard-core wheeling (whether you engage in it or not), if you're interested in learning about serious wheeling without self-righteous, self-proclaimed "experts" telling you how it *needs* to be done, if you have a high-tolerance for friendly ribbing and if the sight of a no-nonsense, hacked-up Rover with a different drivetrain and a not a straight panel left on it doesn't offend you, then you're in the right place and probably won't ever leave...

If on the other hand, you think that buying a Discovery at the dealership and spending another $10,000 worth of over-priced bolt-ons automatically makes you cool, if you think that people who trim large sections of sheetmetal for clearance are idiots, if you don't understand that once you cross a certain threshold OEM parts are no longer adequate, if you think that owning a web-based LR business for a couple or years makes someone the ultimate authority on the vehicle, or if you get easily offended by ribbing and noob harrassment, then perhaps this isn't the right forum for you.

Free forums, free internet, free countries (for the most part)....

I think "60" said it all for you right there. i guess thats why on pirate you hear about rock crawling and on d-web it's all about buying their crap. I stated that the only opinions that are valued on Disco Wine are the ones the moderators control...
Dee_C

Actually, the gay porn here is a thousand times better.:flipoff2: :smokin: :rasta: :rainbow:

Originally posted by PTSchram
I find it to be very curious that I found the Pirate board as a result of negative comments toward the Pirate board on Discoweb. When I came here to check out what the furor was about, I was pleasantly surprised to find that folks here were actually building things, not merely bolting expensive parts onto their trucks. Clearly, this fits much better with my personal philosophy. Hence, if you are interested in actually building your truck, rather than bolting parts from Expedition Exchange onto your trucks, this is the place for you. If you are more inclined to begin insulting folks only for personal aggrandizement, Discoweb is the place for you. How and why I was banned from Discoweb remains a mystery, I guess they have no room for a Gentleman over there, good thing I found a home here.

If you want to speak with someone who has actually done something, versus either reading about it in one of the magazines, or watching through the window next to the latte machine at the the dealer's...



Here, we wheel our trucks, break them, improve them and further the state of the art through public disclosure and "Peer" review. Some of the contributors to the forum are accomplished published professionals in the field, something I aspire to.

As I feel there is room for all (until proven otherwise, and even then, it is the moderator's responsibility to correct), I will refrain from the less than positive comments. Stick around, read what interests you, ask questions when unclear, contribute when you think you have something to contribute, and by all means, if you come up with a unique idea to improve the present art, please make the comments that may improve all of our trucks.

BTW-I have yet another part cross reference/substitution to add to the mix.

Peace,
Paul

I agree with you 100% I have too, I got banned for sticking up for you .... LOL

Now as far as bolt-ons does that include a guy who drive Rovers and Discos and wanted to make his own line of products ?

As a result, people with low BS-tolerance and a solid interest in the mechanical/fabrication/hard use of their vehicles tend to gravitate towards the Pirate Board.

especially if they do not care how well it comes out looking, i agree. I have no problem with people fabbing stuff up for cheap and not caring what it looks like. i do have a problem when people start advocating this to newbies and claim it's good enough and anythijng else is just a waste. i just have a different work ethic and always try to do a good job and never brag about a shit prototype.

If you are interested in Land Rovers, in using them, modifying them to your needs, if you're interested in fabrication, in the cutting edge of hard-core wheeling

cutting edge of hard-core wheeling? get over yourself. there is nothing cutting edge going on here on pirate4x4. nothing cutting edge about transplanting an engine or axels, for that matter nothing cutting edge on discoweb, certainly not hard core.

If on the other hand, you think that buying a Discovery at the dealership and spending another $10,000 worth of over-priced bolt-ons automatically makes you cool, if you think that people who trim large sections of sheetmetal for clearance are idiots, if you don't understand that once you cross a certain threshold OEM parts are no longer adequate, if you think that owning a web-based LR business for a couple or years makes someone the ultimate authority on the vehicle, or if you get easily offended by ribbing and noob harrassment, then perhaps this isn't the right forum for you.

you sound bitter and jealous.

i let each board cater to it's followers. if pirate got bombarded with people asking what the hook is for on a disco2 you would probably tell them to goto discoweb. likewise if someone wants to transplant a 350 into there disco i would advise them to look around here.

then there is the stuff in the middle.

-rob

:laughing:

Gentlemen:

May I respectfully suggest that we discontinue this discussion before those remaining who have yet to be banned from Discoweb find themselves banned.

I do not like the phrase to "Agree to disagree", but it is becoming more and more evident that in spite of what we may say, there are fundamental differences in those of us who are denizens of the Pirate board and those who frequent Discoweb.

If we can't all get along, let us stay home where we feel most comfortable.

Rob:
I still do not think my actions or statements rose to the level of banishment. Furthermore, I found it to be very disingenuous for none of the moderators to whom I addressed apologies to fail to at least recognize my attempts to make amends.

Peace,
Paul

Originally posted by PTSchram
Rob:
I still do not think my actions or statements rose to the level of banishment. Furthermore, I found it to be very disingenuous for none of the moderators to whom I addressed apologies to fail to at least recognize my attempts to make amends.

Peace,
Paul


And I still haven't received my 'proof of banishment' in writing as I had requested :laughing:

Originally posted by DieLucas!



And I still haven't received my 'proof of banishment' in writing as I had requested :laughing:

The only profile I have been able to find shows me as a Senior member (which one of my co-banishees says means something very funny in spanish!), yet when I try to log in, I am told that all users from my internet service provider have been banned. Gee, I would have thought more Dwebbers were using Comcast cable...

What was that about not wanting to be a member of any group that would have me? Hey, I paid good money for the friends I have here, it's the only place I can afford to buy friends!

Hey Paul,

I think I might be kicking up some dust but I am reletively new to the Pirate board and I spent 10 min on dweb and decided to go somewhere else. I have seen a few post mentioning your black ball from dweb. I am really curious to hear what you did?? Did you knock up the deans daughter? My curiosity is too peaked to let it go now. Thanks

Originally posted by Buckon37s
Hey Paul,

I think I might be kicking up some dust but I am reletively new to the Pirate board and I spent 10 min on dweb and decided to go somewhere else. I have seen a few post mentioning your black ball from dweb. I am really curious to hear what you did?? Did you knock up the deans daughter? My curiosity is too peaked to let it go now. Thanks


Buck:

Did you notice the response to those who defended me? Thanx and :beer: to those who did-you know who you are:flipoff2:

Check out the thread below, it either started all of this, or maybe it ended it. But, since the moderators over there don't think I'm even worthy of a response-one of those, "you know what you did" sort of things, I can only assume that my continuing to be a gentleman in the face of being called a cheap fawk was the straw that broke the back of some folks.

Peace,
Paul


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=159089&highlight=privileged

I cried the day Paul was banned.

Well,

I got threw it all and it still is a mystery to me. Oh well, some things are not meant to be known. Doesn't sound like anybody did anything wronge except voice an opinion. Interesting :crybaby2:

Originally posted by DieLucas!
I cried the day Paul was banned.

The only reason you cried was you knew I'd be over here!











I love you to, Certified Rover A**hole!:flipoff2:

Pirate has always had a no-nonsense attitude and that's what I find refreshing. Dweb does have some good tech and numerous quality people, but there are as many there who have no idea what they're talking about but have plenty to say.

Here, if you ask a question, you get a real answer. And if by chance the reply is BS, 10 people will say it's BS and give you real answers.

I find Discoweb useful too, but my needs are pretty basic - I'm still learning about my Disco. It is hard at times to wade through the nonsense, but is easy to figure out who the knowledgeable posters are and home in on their posts. IMHO banning Paul was a big loss, but it is their board........... Fortunately his posts are still there.

Originally posted by PTSchram


The only reason you cried was you knew I'd be over here!











I love you to, Certified Rover A**hole!:flipoff2:

That was Land Rover Certified USED A**hole...























































...emphasis on 'used.'

Paul

Time to burry the dead there stinking up the place....