I think my scout has a T-18, wondering if anyone can confirm this :confused: .

Shift pattern is a four speed with reverse being to the right and UP. This makes it a T-18 not a T-19 right? I have a t-18 in my CJ7 (though on a Jeep T-18 reverse is to the right and down) and the gear reduction feels VERY similar in first gear.

Vehicle in question is a 1967 Scout 800, w/ a 196 engine, D20 twin stick and D27s front and rear (they're both as good as gone as soon as I get my D44 and D60 back from the shop)

Having a T-18 in this sucker would kick ass :D I just got to drive it around the last couple of days (finally got it drivable), I'm getting really excited about this build up.

Thanks,
Rob

:D

Why on earth do you have 27's in an 800? You must have some good vibration with the offset rear and center output T-case. Or you dont realize you have a 44 rear.:rolleyes:

don't know why it's that way. I convinced myself for a day or so that it was a D44. Then I parked my wagoneer next to it. That is NOT a D44. And yes, its pumpkin is offset.

I believe the Wagoneer might have an AMC 20 rear end which doesn't look anything like a D44.

Previous owner probably swaped out the 44 (broken ?) for the next closest thing and a scout 80 rear is all the they found. Stranger things have happened.

TORC - the wag does have an AMC 20 rear, but a D44 front. The pumpkin size and axle tube width differences between the front of the waggy and the rear of the scout are pretty apparent. It looks a lot more like the D30 in the front of the CJ.

BinderBound - According to my buddy who owned it last (he knows the first owners too, they where neighbors) This thing is bone stock. Sure looks like they didn't do anything to it for 35 years too! LOL. I've talked to a couple people who have the same year as me and have D27 rears. They both had the 152 (?) engine though, not the 196. I brought it up in discussion here and I guess if you had a 4 banger, the 19 spline D44 was actually an option, base was the D27. Maybe they found left over supply or something and decided to use them up......IH around this time seems a lot like AMC Jeep, they threw what ever the hell they had lying around in the stock rooms in them, never knew what you're going to get!

Lots of Jeep T18's are right and up. I have 2.

Scout t-18, reverce it right and up. So if you have a 4-speed in there, it 99% sure a t-18.

If you ever swap drivetrains, the bellhousing and tranny are good sell/trade fodder. The 4-cyl t-18's are "uncommon" in 80/800's and a GOOD upgrade for the POS 3-speeds they usually come with.

If its offset, then probably is the D27. Shouldn't have any vibration problem though, as long as the u-joints are all in phase, they shaft can be anywere it neads to be and spin true.

Yes, I think your right. IH did seem to tend to toss what ever they had into a truck... if another thing wasn't specificaly ordered ;), how else can you explain D30 drum, D30 disc, D44 drum and D44 disc front ends in ONE YEAR of Scout II's :D

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite

Yes, I think your right. IH did seem to tend to toss what ever they had into a truck... if another thing wasn't specificaly ordered ;), how else can you explain D30 drum, D30 disc, D44 drum and D44 disc front ends in ONE YEAR of Scout II's :D

LOL. Now THAT's pretty bad!

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite
IH did seem to tend to toss what ever they had into a truck... if another thing wasn't specificaly ordered ;), how else can you explain D30 drum, D30 disc, D44 drum and D44 disc front ends in ONE YEAR of Scout II's :D I have to agree with that...I have (probably the only one) a 3 spd T-332 in my '79 and several Scouters here told me I was full of $hit, I them showed them the line ticket and tranny.

Originally posted by Gen. Nonsense
several Scouters here told me I was full of $hit,

you full of shit...








but that has nothing to do with the tranny :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


you full of shit...








but that has nothing to do with the tranny :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: None of you fawkers (exept Rusty:flipoff2: ) said I was full of shit.;)
I meant the local guys...and not Sully:p

Rob,

Thatsa T18 all right. Your CJ7 T18 is the later style that has a T19 type shift fork arrangement in the top cover (like some Ford T18s from that time period). That's why reverse is down and right instead of the usual T18 up and right spot.

Rusto's right. You shouldn't have any problems with vibes (at least at the speeds you'll be going in that 800). ;) Guys put D44s behind D18 T/C's in Scout 80/800s all the time without having vibe problems.

I have a T18 and bellhousing from a 73 Scout II that had an AMC 258. They're pretty rare too (unique bell and tranny input shaft). If you decide to drop a 258 into that Scout 800 I'll trade you this tranny and bell straight across for that I4 Scout 800 T18 and bell. I'll throw in a D20 and take that 196 offa your hands too. :D
I know I know, I can :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: myself until I bleed. Can't hurt to ask however. :cool:

So has anyone made the swap over from the 18 to the 19?
I am going to get a 19 here in a couple of days. Gearing i have heard is either the same as the T-18 at 6.32 OR may have 4.1 gearing (apperently the T-19 had two different gear sets.):confused: Comments?

Originally posted by SnowScoutII
So has anyone made the swap over from the 18 to the 19?
I am going to get a 19 here in a couple of days. Gearing i have heard is either the same as the T-18 at 6.32 OR may have 4.1 gearing (apparently the T-19 had two different gear sets.):confused: Comments?

Scout II t-18 to Scout II t-19 is a bolt on swap. If I remember right, even the bell housings are the same.

You may/will run into issues if you try to reuse your t-18 D20 t-case. The side of the shifter tower needs to be shaved/squared up about 1/4". t-19 D20's had this milled from the factory. Not big deal, just a surprise if you don't know (ask Mandera :D:D)

Scout t-18's only had one ratio, the "close" ratio with the 4:1 first. t-19's on the other hand were available in the wide and close. With the only sure way of telling them apart to pull the cover and look, or count revelutions, wide having a 6.2:1 first, and the close having the same 4:1 as the t-18. Wide: good for wheeling. Close: better for driving.

There were *no* t-18 wides offering in 4wd Scouts. Couple people have said they exist, but no one has ever produced an IH part number.

So this T-18 in my 800 would have a 4.1 first gear and not a 6.32? Bummer....

Its still better than the T90's 3.33 first.

Originally posted by binderbound
Its still better than the T90's 3.33 first. Or you could have the super low 2.997 of the T-332 :rolleyes: :laughing:

Make an adapter plate and stick them together. Think of the low range there. Find a dana-21 T case and you'll be set.:eek:

"So this T-18 in my 800 would have a 4.1 first gear and not a 6.32? Bummer...."

Put a Terralow 3.15/1 kit into your Dana 20 (2.03/1 stock). That'd give you a 54/1 crawl ratio with 4.27 gears (35/1 with stock D20), or a 62/1 crawl with 4.88s (40/1 with stock D20). That's LOADS better than what I've got in my 800 right now (29/1). The close ratio T18 is a better match for the four popper on the street anyway.

67 800, T90, D20 twin stick, D27/D44 4.27/1