Yeah, yeah...it's been done. I just figured I'd throw out some pics of my current project so anyone that cares could see my piece.

TexasBlake, Madzooki and I have been working off and on for about a week now. When the gears are finished all the finishing touches will be taken care of.

This was what made me start the project:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album150/DSC03425.sized.jpg

This is what we started with:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/Jeep.sized.jpg

shackle brackets:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/MVC_715S.sized.jpg

main eye hangers:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/MVC_719S.sized.jpg

We decided to use XJ leaves instead of YJ leaves and move the rear hangers back further. This way I can flip the leaves front to back when I decide to cut the rear and go with 37s.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/MVC_718S.sized.jpg

We measured everything out after we flattened out the springs and figured out where the hangers needed to be placed.

The main eye hangers ended up right below the body mount that is below the rear part of the door.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03474.sized.jpg

Here's me figuring out exactly where the shackle hangers would need to be...and realizing that a bolt was in the way. :(
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03490.sized.jpg

Here's everything ready for paint and an axle:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03515.sized.jpg

Here it is coming off the jackstands for the first time in a week:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03516.sized.jpg

And here's my fine example of Texas Tilt. I'll be adding more lift to the front when I get my axle out of there in favor of the new regeared HP D30.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03518.sized.jpg

I called Jesse @ High Angle Driveline to order an SYE with the 1350 yoke upgrade and a 1350 CV shaft for it earlier today. It's connecting to a 1330 flange on the 8.8

Due to complications with the morons at Capital One, I'll be calling him back in the morning to verify that the card will work now...Sorry about that one Jess.

The rear shackles are temporary for now. Those are some that Madzooki had made for something and were laying in his garage. We'll have to get some measurements once everything is level and sitting how it will be sitting. I'm also going to add an add-a-leaf to the rear so the springs won't negative arch too quickly.

I started with a 4" lift with fixed LCAs and 33s. The front it getting some spring spacers for now to see if that will level it out some. When I recover from the current expenses I'll go long arms with 6" coils up front.

i just put the xj leafs in the rear of my YJ...i will be putting a post up soon wiht some pics...but you are definately going to want some sort of traction device...also, you might want to beef up the XJ spring pack a TON....those will sag and die quickly...

looks awesome...nice clean work....glad to see another TJ die and come to the dark side!

hey g/fYJ post up pics of the rear XJ's on a YJ. I am doing that swap in the next few weeks.

TRAITOR!!!

:flipoff2: j/k




Looks like good work. How much (+ / -) lift did that net you in the rear?

Looks good, here's my setup. It's done, just finishing the front 44 right now...takes a little longer than the rear did since I'm staying with coils in the front.

Waggy D44, waggy 7-leaf front springs.
I drilled through the frame and put in sleeves/bushings. It's tall enough on 37s with the waggy leafs SOA as is, I didn't want to mount the shackles under the frame. Should be at or near 6" when done. Moved the gas tank into the bed as well. Makes lots of room for a good anti-wrap bar. :D

Good to see the act of pissing off all the TJ owners that think factory coiled TJ is the best thing since sliced bread is still going strong. :D

Its funny, I did an SOA swap with a 44 after blowing my D35 up. I did the leafs cuz I was broke and needed the axle in quick and easy. Now I'm putting a D60/14b in and doing a 4 link front and rear. I'll be glad to get rid of the leafs. :D

Originally posted by BBurris
I'm also going to add an add-a-leaf to the rear so the springs won't negative arch too quickly.

It would be nice if you found a second set of XJ leafs and cut the eyes of the main leaf to use as your second leaf, then toss some factory YJ leafs under that, they have alittle more arc, I bet youd like that..

You have the shorts side twards the body so you may not need a traction bar, thats factory orientation. Traction bars always help...

Originally posted by GirlfriendYJ
...but you are definately going to want some sort of traction device...also, you might want to beef up the XJ spring pack a TON....those will sag and die quickly...

I have add-a-leaves sitting next to the Jeep, but I haven't gotten the inspiration to pull the pack apart and install them.

I don't know much about adding a traction device. I'm going to have to start researching that now since I'm getting closer to finishing up with the details and such. How much spring wrap will I have for now since I kept the springs in stock orientation (shorter side to the front)?

Originally posted by crawlinTJ
I drilled through the frame and put in sleeves/bushings. It's tall enough on 37s with the waggy leafs SOA as is, I didn't want to mount the shackles under the frame. Should be at or near 6" when done. Moved the gas tank into the bed as well. Makes lots of room for a good anti-wrap bar. :D

I started to hole saw the frame, but when we were measuring things out with the XJ leaves I realized that the front mount would have to be pushed really far forward to do that, so we figured out how to integrate the shackle mount into the bumper mounts. Mine's on 33s, since I've only had about 4" for the last couple of years. This afternoon I'm going to see what some 4" coils with 2" spacers do to level it out. The next major project is relocating the gas tank and cutting the rear for 37s.

Good to see the act of pissing off all the TJ owners that think factory coiled TJ is the best thing since sliced bread is still going strong. :D

Hell yeah:D

CrawlinTJ - do you have more pics of your swap anywhere?

leaves are for those who don't understand coils, and suspension geometry :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

looks good though.

Originally posted by BBurris


I have add-a-leaves sitting next to the Jeep, but I haven't gotten the inspiration to pull the pack apart and install them.


Sorry buddy, those add-a-leaves as well as the other set of XJ springs are going in my YJ in a few months. I need them more than you as I won't be running a set of girly 33s. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Chrisjeep7
leaves are for those who don't understand coils, and suspension geometry :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

looks good though.

Hey everyone is entitled to their opinon. To be blunt, I'm a mechanical engineer and no problems whatsoever designing a coil/link suspension.

If you can convince my wife to give me the funds that I need to do it correctly, then your one step ahead of me. :D

Leafs are cheap, simple and will work effectively for what I'm doing.

Originally posted by crawlinTJ


Hey everyone is entitled to their opinon. To be blunt, I'm a mechanical engineer and no problems whatsoever designing a coil/link suspension.

If you can convince my wife to give me the funds that I need to do it correctly, then your one step ahead of me. :D

Leafs are cheap, simple and will work effectively for what I'm doing.


LOL, just giving you shit. your setup looks good. i have thought of doing rear leafs in mine for a bit, but i think i can build the suspension i need for relatively cheap.

Originally posted by Chrisjeep7
leaves are for those who don't understand coils, and suspension geometry :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

looks good though.

I'd rather have leaf springs than a short arm TJ system though, as BBurris can't afford to go link. Nor did we want to put fourth the time, effort, and money to make one just for 33s-35s.

Originally posted by TexasBlake
Sorry buddy, those add-a-leaves as well as the other set of XJ springs are going in my YJ in a few months. I need them more than you as I won't be running a set of girly 33s. :flipoff2:

Not if they get installed in my springs first. And I don't think I'll have the 33s for long. I have discussed a plan to trade them in on a set of 37s at Discount....and I'll be on the road with 37s before you even have axles built beeotch.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by BBurris


Not if they get installed in my springs first. And I don't think I'll have the 33s for long. I have discussed a plan to trade them in on a set of 37s at Discount....and I'll be on the road with 37s before you even have axles built beeotch.:flipoff2:

look chicken fucker, I claimed those long before you even wanted to go XJ springs. Why don't you just use some packs out of my wrangler leafs.

according to their current owner you only claimed A set of add-a-leaves...you got that in the waggy springs

:flipoff2:

but whatever, I'm not getting into an argument about them

Originally posted by crawlinTJ
Looks good, here's my setup. It's done, just finishing the front 44 right now...takes a little longer than the rear did since I'm staying with coils in the front.

Waggy D44, waggy 7-leaf front springs.
I drilled through the frame and put in sleeves/bushings. It's tall enough on 37s with the waggy leafs SOA as is, I didn't want to mount the shackles under the frame. Should be at or near 6" when done. Moved the gas tank into the bed as well. Makes lots of room for a good anti-wrap bar. :D

Good to see the act of pissing off all the TJ owners that think factory coiled TJ is the best thing since sliced bread is still going strong. :D

Looks good Dan.

I am thinking of selling the TJ after graduation and focusing on the CJ, otherwise I would consider doing the leafs too. Who needs all the creature comforts of a TJ Sahara, when you can have a V8 stretched Jeep and still get through/by emissions? Maybe I will put coils in the front of the CJ.

That is my point, I don't necessarily want to go cheap. When I go to 60s in a year or two, then I'll probably do it. For now, this will work.

Originally posted by Chrisjeep7



LOL, just giving you shit. your setup looks good. i have thought of doing rear leafs in mine for a bit, but i think i can build the suspension i need for relatively cheap.

So let me get this straight...you went from links to axle wrap heaven...wow, sounds like a plan to me:rolleyes:

Yeah... Links that were so short they caused me to lift tires at random times when I turned corners. :rolleyes: That's always a fun way to drive your vehicle. Take a right turn and feel the left front tire come up off the ground then slam down when you straighten out.

I won't have that much axle wrap if I leave it as is since I used the XJ leaves as they are supposed to be used stock. When I build a traction bar axle wrap will be pretty much be eliminated.

Sure dude:rolleyes: Put a traction bar on the left side and watch the right side start to sag

Originally posted by CA_YJ
So let me get this straight...you went from links to axle wrap heaven...wow, sounds like a plan to me:rolleyes:

Thanks for your concern. We'll update the thread when he breaks a yoke from axle wrap. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by CA_YJ
Sure dude:rolleyes: Put a traction bar on the left side and watch the right side start to sag

Okay, then we'll spend a day finding new springs, and an hour swapping them in.

leaves are easy to set up but i still prefer a good link suspension w/ coils or coil overs.

I have also heard the dual shackle setup w/ 4 link on leaves work pretty well.

Originally posted by CA_YJ
Sure dude:rolleyes: Put a traction bar on the left side and watch the right side start to sag

or he could just put the traction bar on the passanger side and it will handle better then ANY short arm TJ stock or lifted. TJ's are under engineered piles of crap, the dick head who thought that XJ front suspension was a good idea on the back of a SWB jeep should be kicked in the nuts.

Yeah, but the speed bumps at the mall aren't as lible to spill your latte in a TJ vs. a YJ.....and that is WAY more important.

Course we could be starting the whole 4-link vs. leaves thing again...which I don't think has been hashed out this week, so it may be overdue. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by NE-RokToy


or he could just put the traction bar on the passanger side and it will handle better then ANY short arm TJ stock or lifted. TJ's are under engineered piles of crap, the dick head who thought that XJ front suspension was a good idea on the back of a SWB jeep should be kicked in the nuts.


Aw shit... now it's AWN!!


:flipoff2:

lmao...

I got into an argument about it on another board and I was told that I was essentially "unengineering" my TJ. :D

Leafs are OLD SCHOOL!!!! Coils are for yuppie :rainbow:'s!
:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

for every slacker that swaps leaves under a TJ there are 20 other people spending the time to set up a linked coil suspension :shaking:

And for every moron that contributes useless blabber to a technical post, there are 20 other people that are thankful they aren't him. :D

Out of curiousity, how good are those spring at counter-arcing?
At ride height they're flat, not only that but the front of the spring is tweaked in the pic.

Originally posted by crawlinTJ
And for every moron that contributes useless blabber to a technical post, there are 20 other people that are thankful they aren't him. :D

well well well:flipoff2:

would you prefer to be the pot or kettle:flipoff2:

Well I contributed at the beginning....so I'll take the pot! :D

I'm with you Dan. I've got a 60 for the rear that I want to put in with a leaf setup. Partly because I want to experiment with a leaf setup, partly because I'm curious how it will wheel with it, but... most of all because it's cheap. I will probably change it to 4 link later, but for now I want to know what it will do.


Rio

What are you doing for the front?
Putting the rear in with leafs is like getting a massage compared to putting the brackets on a front axle for the TJ.
I went with a waggy 44 and the RE bracket kit. Little tweaking here and there and it fit's ok. The UC brackets are taller than the stock, so you have to modify their position a little bit.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy


TJ's are under engineered piles of crap, the dick head who thought that XJ front suspension was a good idea on the back of a SWB jeep should be kicked in the nuts.


and what do you drive? a CJ were the frame flexes more than the suspension? or a XJ that has no frame?

sorry i have had both and i will take my coils any day of the week. this is fawking pirate you don't score points buy going backward on the suspension coolness scale.
:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

yes TJ's have there problems but so do every jeep you buy, but you dont see me going out and putting wooden wheels and buggy springs on my jeep. get with the times coils/overs are in:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

What are you doing for the front? Putting the rear in with leafs is like getting a massage compared to putting the brackets on a front axle for the TJ.
I went with a waggy 44 and the RE bracket kit. Little tweaking here and there and it fit's ok. The UC brackets are taller than the stock, so you have to modify their position a little bit.

Ford D44, full width... probably with wristed radius arms. Maybe I will go with a stock TJ bracket setup. Right now money is a concern and modified stock stuff is definitely cheaper.

Right now I'm more concerned with getting axles that won't have a tendency to break, than worrying about proper suspension setup or maximum flex.

I'm going to see what it's like to wheel a Bronco :flipoff2:


Rio

Lookin good!! How do the leafs in the back articulate compared to the front? I ahve thought about doing a leaf conversion in the rear for stability, but my fab skills are lacking for a project like that on my DD.



Patrick

We experimented with the front suspension to figure out what coil lift height would match the rear...ended up realizing that some ~7" lift coils would be about right.

I really need the axle back before we can get more exact, but the Texas Tilt pic posted was with the leaves and 2" coils and 2" spacers in the front. That means my 4" coils wouldn't work...so we tried the 4" coils with the spacers. Nope, still had tilt. So the big ass coils went in. These look like they'll work, and I'll be able to play with the leaves enough to get ride height levelled out.

Looks like I'll be going with longarms for the front NOW instead of soon...

I PMed a few of the Vendors here about RE prices, and the prices of the front long arms aren't too much more than what I'd spend on materials and the time and effort involved in building adjustable ones, so I guess I'll be placing another order soon.

Hopefully I can get this thing on four tires again soon with the finished rear axle and a front housing I have while the front gets finished up so I can figure out what tires I'll end up needing.

The RE is exactly what I'm doing in the front as well...with 6" skyjacker coils. I had their 4" coils and loved them, so I stuck with them (and they are a bit cheaper than the RE coils).

Only sort of a PIA is building new brackets for the control arms to mount too...unless you bought the skid as well?

I haven't ordered them yet. The main reason is I'm trying to find some good, close up pics of the long arms and how they mount. I need some pics of how they mount to the RE skid plate, and how that mount attaches. I need to know if something can be (fairly) easily fabbed, or if I'm going to have to cut my skid plate and figure out some oddball mounting crap. I can't afford that bling bling skid plate.

Here's how the rear suspension looks. We ended up using a stock YJ shackle to get the angle right.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/Mvc_768s.sized.jpg

Here's the front with a 38.5" Gumbo Mudder next to it. The tire only measures out to about 35-36" tall, but this was for reference. The Jeep still has about 7-8" to go up since the front axle is at full coil droop.

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/Mvc_770s.sized.jpg

Well, the 8.8 is finally in, and here's how it sits with the 33s.........

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/axleswap/DSC03603.sized.jpg



:massey: :massey: :massey: :massey: :massey: :massey: :massey:



:flipoff2:

get outta my thread you bastard!

Here's how the t-case came out. The 1350 flange looks really good up there.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03584.sized.jpg

I got my package from High Angle a couple of days ago.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03588.sized.jpg

Here's a comparison of the stock shaft to Jess' 1350 CV shaft.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03589.sized.jpg

Here's the axle, ready to roll under the Jeep for it's final test fitting.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03591.sized.jpg

Here's the pinion angle...
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03595.sized.jpg

and here's the current ride height...little taller than we expected/wanted...
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/MVC_820S.sized.jpg

and this is my reaction to the fact that it sits around 11" taller than a stock TJ... FAWK!
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Ford88/DSC03602.sized.jpg
(chop fodder)

Once I get the front assembled we can start adjusting the rear to match it. It's sitting way too high for what I intended. I guess I could just leave it and go :massey: style and get some 48x9.50/15s HOMEMADE MUTHA FUCKAS...but I don't think that'll happen...:flipoff2:

At least it's finally on the weight of the Jeep and on...two tires.

We finished the leaf swap in mine about a month ago. I've got RK coils ( :rolleyes: ) up front that have sagged to about 4.5" and an 8.8 with stock CJ springs SOA in the rear. Sits a lot higher back there now. Need to get my hands on some RE coils or have some made up to level it out a bit.
How are you going to mount your shocks? The springs are in the way so I can't mount them in the stock location. Was thinking about getting some stock CJ/YJ frame shock mounts and using the Tera shock bar.
Any idea on a way to mount a ladder bar? Figured we'd have to fab up a crossmember or something. Although I noticed in another thread a guy used just a small perch long enough to mount the shackle end to it. Seems easier just to do that than build one from one side to the other.

Here's a pic of the hight difference.

Diggin' the 'hawk! :D

:laughing: :laughing: That's Adam. He's my welding guy. :cool:

What size tires are you running?

In the pic I was running 36" SX's...yes, on a 30...no, it never broke.:flipoff2:
I just slapped on new 36" TSL's on friday. I like how they ride on the road but they look so poosie compared to the SX's.:(

Ah cherokee springs! I love the concept. What springs are they? Lifted? Stock?

Originally posted by Ok-YJ
Ah cherokee springs! I love the concept. What springs are they? Lifted? Stock?

The first pics that BBurris showed are hte stock XJ leaves. We were REALLY worried about axle wrap and the springs sagging so we tried to put the add a leafs that came with the junkyard springs. The add a leafs were scarey as hell, cause bigs gaps in the springs, so we took those out. We had a set of mystery springs that we got at a junkyard. I think they were some kind of Ford truck springs. We slapped two of those leafs in to make the pack in the pic where his jeep looks :massey:. The springs are real nice, they give about an inch or two more arch, but were just way too much lift for the tire size range he plans on running.

We have a ton more leaf springs in the garage, so we might start using some leafs from Wrangler packs and see what happens. First we are going to build the front long arm system since that won't be as adjustible. Then, match the rear to the front.

I see. I have some 98 Chero's that im doing Rusty AAL's for the rear lift. Hopefully they wont be as scary as yours. I do run a traction bar so wrap isnt as much of an issue.

Originally posted by 2Toes
In the pic I was running 36" SX's...

If it's not too much trouble, would you mind measuring from the ground to the bottom of your rockers? I'm trying to get some idea of how tall your Jeep is compared to mine so I can get an idea of what it may look like on all fours.

Originally posted by BBurris

and this is my reaction to the fact that it sits around 11" taller than a stock TJ... FAWK!


bring it down to 5-6 inches by swapping it to SUA, and seriously reduce axle wrap at the same time.

Originally posted by BrettM


bring it down to 5-6 inches by swapping it to SUA, and seriously reduce axle wrap at the same time.

Now that's a great idea :rolleyes:

Originally posted by redneckengineered


Now that's a great idea :rolleyes:

okay, genius, what would you propose? Keep 11 inches of lift and flop it on every speedbump?

Actually going to SUA is a good idea. No more worries about axle wrap and it is way stable. I was SOA, went back to SUA in the rear and it is way better. I wheel the shit out of it and it has worked great so far.

Originally posted by WSJ
Official Jeep Talk Bible (subject to change as we see fit)

6. SOA is not a mod' it's a way of life !
By Putzboy

[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: SteveN. ]

:flipoff2: :massey: :flipoff2:

It looks good.

Here is some pics after we finsihed my buddies leaf conversion on his '97, we were testing to see if his shocks were long enough.

pic 2

pic 3

Originally posted by BBurris

quote:
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Originally posted by WSJ
Official Jeep Talk Bible (subject to change as we see fit)

6. SOA is not a mod' it's a way of life !
By Putzboy

[ 10-16-2001: Message edited by: SteveN. ]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:flipoff2: :massey: :flipoff2:


It says it right there; "subject to change as we see fit" That statement is aknowledging that there are exceptions to every "rule". There are many situations where SUA IS BETTER, for most CJs and YJs a SOA is a great idea, but throwing leaves under a TJ definitely deviates from the norm

Originally posted by BrettM


okay, genius, what would you propose? Keep 11 inches of lift and flop it on every speedbump?

How about a leaf pack that gives the right amount of lift and building a traction bar that works?

Originally posted by BBurris


If it's not too much trouble, would you mind measuring from the ground to the bottom of your rockers? I'm trying to get some idea of how tall your Jeep is compared to mine so I can get an idea of what it may look like on all fours.
In the front it is 27.5" and the back is 29".

Originally posted by redneckengineered

How about a leaf pack that gives the right amount of lift and building a traction bar that works?

But if you're going to go through the trouble of putting a traction bar on that works well without limiting flex too much and/or causing hop, aren't you just one step from 4-linking it?

Originally posted by ryankopecki
SUA lifts suck because they're too freakin stiff.

You are reterded to make assumptions like this. It all comes down to quality of the springs made. There are good springs and crappy springs. But you are right. SUA won't flex:rolleyes:

A friend's SUA rig...

http://www.rev1crawlers.com/Rubicon_03/images/DSCN5743.jpg

Originally posted by JohnnyJ


But if you're going to go through the trouble of putting a traction bar on that works well without limiting flex too much and/or causing hop, aren't you just one step from 4-linking it?

No, you're about a million steps from 4-linking it. Traction bars arn't that complicated, basically there are some time proven designs out there you can just copy. I made one for my Jeep in just a couple of hours, I copied the skyjacker design and it worked awesome. This was with super flexy alcan springs and a 5000lb rig. Building a 4-link takes way more time and money.

Wow, it would be great if this thread was posted without an influx of people argueing whether or not SOA or SUA was better.

If he wanted SUA, we would have gone SUA. So shut up about it already. We don't care.

Originally posted by ryankopecki


Generally speaking, SUA doesn't flex. I should have said there are exceptions. What springs is your friend useing?

RE 4.5" ED...sagged and beaten like a red headed step child, and they flex like mad.

Hmm... the rear seems to outflex the long arms in front. In the pic below we were just trying to see if things were going to bind. We lifted the front driver's tire off the ground, but the rear tires never came off the ground. The front pass. side tire, however, started to scoot a little, so that was where we stopped.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/MVC_125S.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/MVC_129S.sized.jpg

Here's the rear. It works pretty well.... and yes, it looks a whole lot better on 36s...
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/MVC_128S.sized.jpg

Here it is on some bling bling wheels.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Jeep/DSC03670.sized.jpg

real man tires, finally...
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Jeep/DSC03671.sized.jpg

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Jeep/DSC03672.sized.jpg

Originally posted by BBurris
Hmm... the rear seems to outflex the long arms in front.

Maybe you should take the sway bar off.

:flipoff2:


Anyway, I hope everyone is happy now that a long arm suspension was built. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by TexasBlake


Maybe you should take the sway bar off.

:flipoff2:


bitch...:flipoff2:

Anyway, I hope everyone is happy now that a long arm suspension was built. :rolleyes:

I broke down and we built the long arms. We started with .25" wall 1.5" DOM.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/LCA5.sized.jpg

I looked and looked at them, and decided that they weren't beefy enough...so we sleeved the lowers with some 1.5" sch 40.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/MVC_093S.sized.jpg

Here are the finished lowers and uppers.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/Mvc_122s.sized.jpg

This was the finished product as it rolled out of the driveway.
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/Dana30HP/Mvc_120s.sized.jpg

y did u put leaves in your tj? if it is because of that broken carrier that makes no sense

Originally posted by fatmike
y did u put leaves in your tj? if it is because of that broken carrier that makes no sense

It's trendy, old school is back.:rolleyes:

I like your setup, It's very functional and budget minded.
Now lets see some action pics.....:D

Originally posted by fatmike
y did u put leaves in your tj? if it is because of that broken carrier that makes no sense

We did it just to confuse you.

Originally posted by fatmike
y did u put leaves in your tj? if it is because of that broken carrier that makes no sense


no no no chief....the broken carrier was the reason behind the whole axle swapp. its kinda like the straw that broke the camels back. besides...that was a lot cheaper then doing a coil spring lift and it may flex better.

I have the same welding gloves....









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bigger tires... :D

...bigger than 36s? I think I'll be pushing my luck with things as they are. I'll see if I can get a non-fuzzy pic of it today...

So is there any real advantage to this over a properly designed coil setup other than just being cheaper? :confused:

yeah, it's way cooler...fuck face

BBurris,

i like your setup i am planning on doing this same set up in a month or so. any info and ideas would be a great help! i am in corpus and have seen your tj it looks great. i would like to know how it differs in driving aswell as offroading.:confused:

jesus, you think its tall enough? shit you could clear 40's with that lift! bring it down some, that will be your biggest improvement.:D


other than that looks good. i myself have thought about leafing the rear for simplicity sake, but just cant bring myself to do it.:flipoff2:

Any updates on this jeep?

Im doin this to my YJ shortly. Have any pics of the rear bumper and hanger locations?

Originally posted by Ok-YJ
Any updates on this jeep?

Im doin this to my YJ shortly. Have any pics of the rear bumper and hanger locations?

I don't think BBurris updated it because it wasn't offroad until last weekend. We didn't get many pics. There's still no shocks in the rear so it's really bouncy. It's also on 36" SXs right now.

Here's the only picture I can find of it offroad. I was riding in a different vehicle that weekend so I didnt' get many pictures of the TJ. We're heading to Katemcy Feb 7th so hopoefully he'll have have good pictures by then. ENJOY :flipoff2:

http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_362S.jpg

You can check his photo album and find tons of pictures of us making the rear bumper, spring hangers and stuff, it's located here. (http://www.texasoffroad.net/galleries/lonestar/Ford88)

That looks like a nice place to play around.

Ok so let me get this straight the only reason why your are going from coils to springs is because of the way that it drives? and that is the only reason

Originally posted by rckcrwlr87
Ok so let me get this straight the only reason why your are going from coils to springs is because of the way that it drives? and that is the only reason

I guess you didn't read the thread.....

The main reasons are:

1.) Cost
2.) Ease
3.) Already had parts
4.) Can extend wheelbase another 4" just by flippin the rear springs around and lengthening the driveshaft in a year or so when he goes with 38s
5.) BBurris felt he would like leafs in the rear
6.) To piss people off
7.) Because he can

Originally posted by JeepinDoug
That looks like a nice place to play around.


Yes, that is "The Slabs" in Kingsland Texas. It's basically the Llano Riverbed. As of Jan 1st it is illegal to wheel there because the landowners/cattle ranchers/greenies, got a law passed that makes wheeling in "navigable rivers" illegal. So, Texas lost about 6 decent wheeling spots. This was the last weekend to wheel so there were a bunch of people out.

When measuring my XJ springs to the YJ's. I concluded that you would get a total of a 6'' gain from flipping the springs around??

Sounds good to me then. Its just that it didn't make a lot of sense to me because everyone is always getting coil conversions done to get rid of leaf springs, but this guy is going from coils to leafs, seemed to me like a step back, but now I get it.

regarding you front end not flexing well.... you are now runing radius arms up front not much differnt than an EB. check out one of the 4link threads and it may discuss this

i found this out on BTF website....


Imagine holding your arms straight out and holding a broom handle. The broom handle is the axle tube and your arms are the links. With a 5 link suspesion it is like griping the broom handle very tight in both hands. Now articulate the broom handle using your arms as the links. If you do it proper you will see that as one side drops and the other stays in the same place there is torsional stress on the axle tube (broom handle). When doing this make sure not to just rotate your arms free. Remember a link rotates on the frame from a fixed point. Take a look and you will see that as one side drops down the geometry of the links changes in relation to the stationary side (this side could move up as well). With a linked suspension the the vertical distance between the link mounting points gets smaller as the axle drops down. The side that stays in its current postion or moving up gets longer in relation to the down side. (BTW... this is one of the reasons for flex steer) With a four link or three link it allows the axle tube to rotate a little on its axis to reduce the torsonal stress placed on it. With a four link you get more binding the more you spread out the top links where the meet on the axle. This is just one of the reasons why you see desert racing trucks, monster trucks, rock crawlers, and anything else where the axle needs to articulate. (this is also the reason why most radius arm suspensions will not flex very well)

note the last sentence....i tried it and sure enough...

i was discussing this with a firend that has the RE long arm kit on his TJ and he said he gained a tremendous amount of flex by removing one of the upper links on teh RE arms so that it allowed the axle to rotate along it's axis when the axle was flexed....

it would take just a few minutes to try it. hth.

Originally posted by gumbojeepyj
regarding you front end not flexing well.... you are now runing radius arms up front not much differnt than an EB. check out one of the 4link threads and it may discuss this

i found this out on BTF website....



note the last sentence....i tried it and sure enough...

i was discussing this with a firend that has the RE long arm kit on his TJ and he said he gained a tremendous amount of flex by removing one of the upper links on teh RE arms so that it allowed the axle to rotate along it's axis when the axle was flexed....

it would take just a few minutes to try it. hth.

I remeber being behind a Tj with the RE longarm kit at a trail ride in Terlingua... the rear suspension did all the work... the front would really only start to work after the rear suspension had maxed out... It didnt seem like the best setup at the time, and kinda spendy for a front susp. that didnt work correctly IMHO

Originally posted by Ok-YJ
When measuring my XJ springs to the YJ's. I concluded that you would get a total of a 6'' gain from flipping the springs around??

Yes, I plan on using XJ springs on the rear of my YJ with waggy springs up front.

Originally posted by Ok-YJ
When measuring my XJ springs to the YJ's. I concluded that you would get a total of a 6'' gain from flipping the springs around??

I'll gain about 6" of wheelbase when I flip the springs...

Blake likes to boost his post count by pimpin' my shit...:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Chrisjeep7
jesus, you think its tall enough? shit you could clear 40's with that lift! bring it down some, that will be your biggest improvement.:D

It's tall, but 36s are about max for it - axles and articulation-wise. After moving the suspension around a lot in Llano last weekend it dropped about another inch. It's slowly starting to come down on its own, but I'll probably be getting new front coils soon, and will build another rear leaf pack to match.

Originally posted by gumbojeepyj
note the last sentence....i tried it and sure enough...

i was discussing this with a firend that has the RE long arm kit on his TJ and he said he gained a tremendous amount of flex by removing one of the upper links on teh RE arms so that it allowed the axle to rotate along it's axis when the axle was flexed....

it would take just a few minutes to try it. hth.

I'd like to try that sometime, but it'll take being somewhere for a weekend so I can run a trail with both setups to convince me of a major difference. I'm still trying to get all the bugs worked out... Not like I'll ever be finished.:D

Here's the only pics of it from Llano:
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_330S.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_331S.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_333S.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_334S.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album207/MVC_335S.sized.jpg
http://www.texasoffroad.net/albums/lonestar/album235/1144_G.sized.jpg