and you thought the Rubicon was bad... [Archive]

Jayrockn7

10-06-2003, 10:55 PM

:( , it's just so sad how DC is killing Jeep off like this, so sad.

I like the Rubicon, but the Tomb Raider thing and now this! FAWK I hope they do make a real Barbie Jeep painted pink, I'll wait till I have a daughter and buy it for her when she turns 16......what a freakin joke, I agree this dishonors real Jeeps. They should have listen to everyone that went crazy over the Brute and made those a production unit- even the lame ass attempt they made at making a "new" scrambler sucked, I'd much rather give my money over to the small guys that build the Brute instead of DC, AMC screw'd up Jeep and now DC is really workin it over, pretty soon what we all like about a "Jeep" won't be available in Jeeps made by DC anymore, well at least they did give us the Rubicon:rolleyes:

redneckengineered

10-07-2003, 12:30 AM

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
AMC screw'd up Jeep

That's a strong statement...

But yea, that Willis thing makes me sick :barf:

Wideopen

10-07-2003, 01:43 AM

Maybe, ken was tired of driving barbie's pink jeep around.....
What a joke, They should have just painted a rubicon flat OD green, And sold it as a jeep that looks kinda like an old one...:D

Kilby

10-07-2003, 07:04 AM

It should at least be a 4 banger.

:flipoff2:

Badcop

10-07-2003, 07:26 AM

On the subject of Jeep, why the hell havnt they actually given ppl what they want, 6" LA, dual ARB Air, 35 Boggers, 304 V8, Flat Fenders, Round Headlights, no windshield instead a pair of goggles, no top and a gortex jacket, and call it a day, even put a star on the hood of the damned thing.

Pyagid

10-07-2003, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by usmcdoc14
WTF :mad: they cant give me a remake of the Scrambler (that we all wanted) but instead they give me some lame ass rebadged Wrangler X with some fawking DECALS that dishonors the name Willy's

fuck

The stickers are a limited edition purchase they don't come on the vehicle. All this is is a stock jeep kind of like the sahara was in 88 or 89. With added camo seats. The scrambler is supposed to be out a little later this year.

http://paulyagid.brinkster.net/pic/Other/willy1.jpg
http://paulyagid.brinkster.net/pic/Other/willy2.jpg
http://paulyagid.brinkster.net/pic/Other/willy3.jpg

UP_ROKTOY

10-07-2003, 08:24 AM

I don't care how big the muther fucker driving one of those is, EVERY single one i see i will rag the shit out of till i get my ass kicked. Those are so fucking gay.
:mad:

Hey DC:flipoff:

1RUSTYRIG

10-07-2003, 08:29 AM

When did DC buy the rights to Willy's? I thought that there was some other company that owned the rights to Willy's Overland...

10-07-2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Pyagid

The stickers are a limited edition purchase they don't come on the vehicle.

dont' suppose you have a Mopar part number?

:D

Mikel

10-07-2003, 10:40 AM

Willys was bought by Kaiser, which was bought by AMC, which was bought by Chrysler... As far as I know, DC owns all those names.

Kinda ironic that Daimler Benz was also involved in the same war... On the losing side :D

SanDiegoCJ

10-07-2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Mo

easy money. I can write bullshit all day long. You just put your http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/asshat.gif on and get to work.

I'd never want my name associated with that...

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, you'd do it in "Stealth Mode". :D :D

SanDiegoCJ

10-07-2003, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by Badcop
On the subject of Jeep, why the hell havnt they actually given ppl what they want, 6" LA, dual ARB Air, 35 Boggers, 304 V8, Flat Fenders, Round Headlights, no windshield instead a pair of goggles, no top and a gortex jacket, and call it a day, even put a star on the hood of the damned thing.

Nice idea, but it's NOT "what the people want". Appx. 95% of Jeep buyers never take their vehicle offroad, let alone do anything
remotely difficult with them. There just ISN'T a market for a manufacturer to make a vehicle like that.

CaryW

10-07-2003, 11:29 AM

Was looking at the brochure at the dealer yesterday....The best part is the sticker over the gas cap that says FUEL just in case Ken gets confused.

So sick

geberhard

10-07-2003, 11:51 AM

Yep literally gives me the willies :( Comes with a GI Jane action doll too :)

LUVMYTJ

10-07-2003, 01:57 PM

Originally posted by usmcdoc14
WTF :mad: they cant give me a remake of the Scrambler (that we all wanted) but instead they give me some lame ass rebadged Wrangler X with some fawking DECALS that dishonors the name Willy's

fuck

I just came across this the other day...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73148945302590&Avis=TO&Dato=20030930&Kategori=BUSINESS02&Lopenr=109300100&Ref=AR

Lil Mule

10-07-2003, 02:25 PM

You guys are all missing the point.... it's not a regular jeep, this jeep was forged by the fire of combat and honed in the heat of battle, searing its way into the hearts of warriors fighting for freedom.

Can we all give a 9/11 Who ah!!

Give me freaking break... you know you don't have any sellable features when you have to point out

Exclusive Moss Green exterior color
Unique "WILLYS" decal at cowl side
Diamond-plate sill guards painted Dark Green
Body-color fender flares
AM/FM stereo radio with CD player and seven speakers (includes subwoofer in center console) - no extra charge
Tow hooks
Fog lamps
Full-size spare tire with matching wheel
Lockable full-center console with four cup holders
Removable half-doors and fold-down windshield*

The whole thing is fluff.... and I only took out three. I'd rather have a Liberty.

Welby

10-07-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Lil Mule
I'd rather have a Liberty.

OK, that's it... Gotta draw the line somewhere, and you just crossed it :flipoff2:

Jayrockn7

10-07-2003, 03:20 PM

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: , that's just too funny

Root Moose

10-07-2003, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
...even the lame ass attempt they made at making a "new" scrambler sucked...

What's this about?

So they are bringing back the Scrambler? Is it going to be the same config (i.e. long tail) like the original?

I need/want something to replace my LWB Samurai...

r@m

Steve N

10-07-2003, 03:53 PM

Has anyone ever seen a factory Barbie pink YJ with a pink top?

I have a factory Mopar pink top, I wonder what the story is?

DEnd

10-07-2003, 05:02 PM

MY favorite is this:

Reminiscent of the soldiers' experiences with the original Willys MB during WW II,

AM/FM stereo radio with CD player and seven speakers (includes subwoofer in center console) - no extra charge

yep my grandpa sure did enjoy having that AM/FM stereo radio with CD player and seven speakers (including a subwoofer in the center console) in his MB during WWII. He made the Germans scared by "bumpin" his 8" subwoofer.

:rolleyes:

jpnjim

10-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Jayrockn7
AMC screw'd up Jeep

Um...
Yeah, sure, they really screwed up Jeep :rolleyes:

Jeep wouldn't have survived the 70's without AMC making them mainstream enough to be used outside of the farm, and construction sites.
Sure some really great Jeeps were made before 1970, but very few people were buying them.
AMC saved Jeep by buying them;
Edgar Kaiser had been talking to AMC since 1960. Once the automotive end of Kaiser failed (his real love), his heart wasn't in auto manufacturing anymore.

AMC gave new life to Jeep, opened the universals to a whole new market, by making them sporty, instead of utilitarian, and sold them in much greater numbers, to a much broader selection of consumers, through a larger dealer base.

They also gave new direction to the military/comercial production side of Kaiser, forming AM-General (I guess they screwed up the Hummer too :rolleyes: ).

They kept Jeep alive during the emissions/gas crunches of the 1970's, then again during the automotive dark ages of the early 1980's.
With very little resorces, they handed the big three their asses, by introducing a whole new type of vehicle for America (4dr compact SUV: XJ), that's took the others years (and years) of scrambling to finally come close to matching.

AMC gave us the CJ7, the Scrambler, kept the J trucks alive till the end, even when they were poor sellers, created the XJ, the MJ, and the increadable sales heavyweight ZJ (designed by AMC, Chrysler put the intro off till 1993, because of their minivan intro).

They were given sh!t for killing the CJ, but you can blame the lawers for that.
They did what they had to; change the looks/design enough to throw the lawers off the scent, and keep making a vehicle any other maunfacturer would've turned their backs on in search of public image.

Fact is very few people on this board would be driving Jeeps right now, if not for AMC's intervention.

10-07-2003, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Root Moose

What's this about?

So they are bringing back the Scrambler? Is it going to be the same config (i.e. long tail) like the original?

I need/want something to replace my LWB Samurai...

r@m

Think TJ-6

pfco3

10-07-2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
Makes wish they would just build the ICON.....even if it is IFS/IRS

No worse than the Barbie Jeep LOL

hey the barbie jeep rules!!!!! and barbie is a hottie!!!:flipoff2:

281 Quad Cam

10-07-2003, 07:17 PM

very stupid... but what do you expect.

meanwhile toyotas new FJ concept may have a stock winch and lockers... and dont make me mention the surprise of the toureg's abilities (300 horses, lockers, 6 inch air ride)

meanwhile Jeep gives us this?

Comet

10-07-2003, 08:58 PM

:rainbow: :girly: :rolleyes:
Ya know, the sad thing is, they'll probably sell alot of these capitalizing on the patriotism and Go Army wave :beret:

BTW, we are not really the target market for Jeeps anyway, including the Rubi. We're too hard core and not broad enough tastes to satisfy DC. Anything that approaches mass appeal to us gets discounted as being :rainbow: or whatever. Once we get ahold of these products, we just rip all that gingerbread crap off, disengage airbags, lift it beyond the comfort level of DC lawyers, etc. Sure, they'd love to make us hard core wheelers happy, and I think that was in part the motive behind the Rubi, but I betcha they knew we wouldn't be their best market. I think the best they could hope for was our nod of approval, then go market it to frat boys trying to be all rugged-n-shizz!

moveaside

10-07-2003, 11:02 PM

This is what happens when the Jeep Rubicon and a Sammy get together fawk and have babies. It looks like a TJ for Mini-me:eek:

moveaside

10-07-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Steve N
Has anyone ever seen a factory Barbie pink YJ with a pink top?

I have a factory Mopar pink top, I wonder what the story is? I'm not sure thats something you want to admit to:confused:

Jayrockn7

10-08-2003, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by jpnjim

Um...
Yeah, sure, they really screwed up Jeep :rolleyes:

Jeep wouldn't have survived the 70's without AMC making them mainstream enough to be used outside of the farm, and construction sites.
Sure some really great Jeeps were made before 1970, but very few people were buying them.
AMC saved Jeep by buying them;
Edgar Kaiser had been talking to AMC since 1960. Once the automotive end of Kaiser failed (his real love), his heart wasn't in auto manufacturing anymore.

AMC gave new life to Jeep, opened the universals to a whole new market, by making them sporty, instead of utilitarian, and sold them in much greater numbers, to a much broader selection of consumers, through a larger dealer base.
Fact is very few people on this board would be driving Jeeps right now, if not for AMC's intervention.

clearly you are an AMC fan, yes there were OK, but they didn't make Jeep the icon it is in Fourwheel Drive history, that was the early military jeeps and the first civi jeep the flatfenders- when willis-overland first owned then, then Kaiser took over and the CJ-5 took off which make Jeeps the more marketable vehicle you were talking about first, AMC got lucky to purchase such a strong line of automobiles and be able to branch off their original designs in different ways. But clearly they put out the most inferior Jeeps up till Chyrsler got them. Don't get me wrong AMC Jeeps are great I love my CJ7 but I can see it's flaws just as easy as any other. Amc put togther a pretty good packaged vehicle they just didn't plan out the design, make decent motor and then start putting smaller /cheaper components behind them that just can't hold up after awhile. So with each new owner of Jeep slowly desiging them for more street use it makes DC kind of a bastardized type of Jeep - and putting a Willis sticker on a DC Jeep is just :( sad, especially with a military look. Shouldn't have done that DC, true Jeep lovers will not approve, but then again we are a small percentage that really give a shit what vehicles get the Jeep name put on them.

usmcdoc14

10-08-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by LUVMYTJ

I just came across this the other day...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?SearchID=73148945302590&Avis=TO&Dato=20030930&Kategori=BUSINESS02&Lopenr=109300100&Ref=AR

ok great, now i am hard again :flipoff2:

i wish they would just make a public releace so i know what to buy next year :D

rockedtj

10-08-2003, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by usmcdoc14

ok great, now i am hard again :flipoff2:

i wish they would just make a public releace so i know what to buy next year :D

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=&content_code=02964255

Read the last paragraph, or the picture!

Root Moose

10-08-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Mo

Think TJ-6

Ugh, would rather TJ-8.

Oh well, I'll go look anyway. :)

r@m

ItsaCJ6

10-08-2003, 09:49 AM

The TJ-6 deal is just another marketing gimmick since they can sell more room in the rig with no a great change in appearance. They are only talking about a 10inch wheelbase change 93 to 103... hell my 6 is 103 but it was a 20 inch change from the 5's 83 inch wheel base. big difference....

Interesting that they would go in to a historic market with low sales even if its a popular aftermarket rig these days...I bet that took some convincing at DC since total production for 8's was under 28k.

at least the 20year production of 6's was more like 100k with almost 35k being domestic sales

Comet

10-08-2003, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by ItsaCJ6
The TJ-6 deal is just another marketing gimmick since they can sell more room in the rig with no a great change in appearance. They are only talking about a 10inch wheelbase change 93 to 103... hell my 6 is 103 but it was a 20 inch change from the 5's 83 inch wheel base. big difference....

Yeah, but they don't make anything close to the CJ5's wheelbase right now. Compare it to a CJ7 to CJ8 wheelbase and it's about the same.

jpnjim

10-08-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Jayrockn7

clearly you are an AMC fan, yes there were OK, but they didn't make Jeep the icon it is in Fourwheel Drive history, that was the early military jeeps and the first civi jeep the flatfenders- when willis-overland first owned then, then Kaiser took over and the CJ-5 took off which make Jeeps the more marketable vehicle you were talking about first, AMC got lucky to purchase such a strong line of automobiles and be able to branch off their original designs in different ways. But clearly they put out the most inferior Jeeps up till Chyrsler got them. Don't get me wrong AMC Jeeps are great I love my CJ7 but I can see it's flaws just as easy as any other. Amc put togther a pretty good packaged vehicle they just didn't plan out the design, make decent motor and then start putting smaller /cheaper components behind them that just can't hold up after awhile. So with each new owner of Jeep slowly desiging them for more street use.

Your absolutely right, I am a fan of AMC, but I really don't let that cloud the facts for me (much :) ).

I do understand what you mean but it seems like you're only considering the AMC/Jeeps of the 1980's, and their light duty components, while ignoring the sweeping changes AMC put into effect in the early 1970's.

AMC took Kaiser's Universal, with a 75hp 4cyl (& good optional V6), ancient Ross cam and lever bellcrank steering, closed knuckle 10 spline D27 ft axles, 4 wheel drum brakes, Dana 18 T-case, 2 piece 19 spline D44 rear axles,
and in a few years turned it into a vehicle with a std L6 (optional V8), Saginaw steering (opt power), open knuckle 27 spline D30's, available ft discs, Dana 20 T-case, and 30 spline flanged D44's.
Later, they added a TH400 tranny (much stronger than the TH350 GM used in their own full size trucks).
These were needed upgrades to the CJ's, that made them marketable for daily (non farm) use.
Yes, they later used the (Dana built) AMC M20 rear, with 2 piece shafts. This was 100%, a cost cutting move (M20's were cheaper for them to buy than D44's).

I know...
Then what about the 1980's, when AMC castrated the CJ's, with 2.73 gears, T4's,T5's & SR4's?
You really have to ask why the did this? (why perfect something, only to tear it down later?)
By 1980, Emissions, and MPG standards were set to put Jeep right out of buisness.
Lightweight components, and ridiculous gear ratios in the CJ's were the only way an underfunded AMC could get the average MPG figures for the whole Jeep lineup high enough to meet government standards.
No way was a 1980 360/T-18/3.73/D44/D60 J-20 gonna meet the standards, so they had to sell X number of CJ's with so-so milage, to meet this new average.

They used good components where possible (D300's), but there was a lack of durable, fuel efficient 4spd & 5spds available in 1980.

There's a million other examples of AMC doing the best they could, with what was available, but the rise, and fall of the CJ line is a great example.

jpnjim

10-08-2003, 05:07 PM

Also, as far as Chryslers 'improvements':
here's their track record:

1988 Deleted the D44 XJ option (which AMC introduced in 1987, along side the high power 4.0L), making the D35 the top axle for XJ's.

1990 Added C-clips to the already marginal D35. Added tiny minivan 9" brakes while they were at it.
also added composite (cheap) ft rotors that year, replacing the 1 piece cast iron rotors AMC had been using since the AMC Eagles.
Big thumbs up this year for getting out of the 'French content' contract, and ditching the Peugot tranny.

1991 13hp increase in the 4.0L, and lots more top end breathing (at the expense of some low end torque). Overall a good move, but don't burn up a voltage regulator, you'll have to replace the whole computer (computer controls almost everything)
They also kept the D35 as top dog.

1993 A first:
a V8 infront of the AMC model 15 axle (D35). The axle was designed in the 1960's, for compact cars, with low power carburated L6 power. NOT V8's, and NEVER in a full size.
They also decided this heavy, V8 Jeep was a good time to take another step backward, and start using the lo-pinion D30 ft axle again :rolleyes:

1996 whelp...
the D35 isn't cutting it (duh), so lets start using a D44 MADE OF ALUMINUM :rolleyes: X10. It's a Jeep, not a Viper/Vette.

1996.5 Introduced the TJ, marketed as their offroad champ, another good place to start using a lo-pinion D30 :rolleyes:

1997 Hmm...
D35 isn't cutting it here either (surprise?) lets retube a D44 with D35 ends, and call it good.

There's more Chrysler 'improvements', but these are the ones that stuck out the most in my mind.
They also dropped the vac-disconnect, and added 297 U's, but my money says the first change was for it's cost cutting, and the second one was a running change by Dana.

JeepNut22

10-08-2003, 09:07 PM

Army inspired with a fawkin' CD player??!!?!?!?! Pulease... Cup holders?? They could have at least given in flat fenders and some mud tires...

KarmirToy

10-09-2003, 02:01 AM

I pass buy the dealer here and there on the way to work, I have a friend that works in the dealers repair shop. he tells me that there is alot of people comming back with the almost brand new jeeps still under full warrenty only to find out warrentys been voided. I dont get this part can someone care to explain this to me? Jeep directly advertises Jeep especially the TJ as being an offroad "takes whatver you throw at it" jeep in their website. Even some of their TV comercials have offroading sence

(like the time where the libertty:rolleyes: TJ WJ where climbing a steep side of a mountain on a rainy night to bridge a gab on the road so some sedan would not get into an accident)

my point is the DC advertises these things so you can take them offroad, but once you do, and brake something they wash their hands with you

heres the highlight of what I heard at the stealership last month, could not belive me ears! a man in his 40s came in and was complaining about his TJ slipping out of 4wd. I couldnt hear everything that was said but this is what I can remember

"sorry you took it offroad, that voids our warrenty" "but I was doing some light trails nothing that could be to extreme for this, dont you guys advertise the JEEP to go offroad anyway?" "yes, but obviously you abused it, thats the reason it broke" "what you mean I abused it, Ive been doing slight trails like this for years on the way to camp, this obisously a defect of some sort" We never get this kind of problem, form anybody else, through my experiance all the people that had this problem pushed it beyond its envlope
all I did was take it over a few hills, and some gravel road, give me a break. I see your advertisment posters with TJs submerged in water to windsheild hi, and thats not beind abused?
Im sorry theres nothing we can do, I cant cover you on this particular peice, Your going to have to pay for it
cant you guys atleast take a look at it, once you do look at it im sure youll find out its a defect or something
yes we can look at it but we have a flat fee of $85 dollars to diagnose the problem, then whatever additional $ to FIX the problem

I just stood there and watched the guy pay for it and walk away with his head down while the mechanics took away his jeep.

DC, fawk you :flipoff: for misleading the public with your bullshit advertiments. I cant belive I bought a fawkin TJ from these guys a few years back. from here on out DC will NOT see a penny from me, I dont care what kind of fawkin barbie jeep you come up with. and I hope you DC guys read this, cuz I personally want to let you know that you guys are thee stupidest fawkin morons on the face of the globe :flipoff: and I hope you go out of business Cuz of the looks of it the longer you DC morons own jeep the lesser of a 'JEEP' it becomes. I rather see jeep leave with its legendary name made over the past decades, cuz obviously if its stays longer with you that legend is doomed for sure. I rather see it go away then to see it slowly melt away into 'regular car' market.

TiRod

10-09-2003, 01:21 PM

Well, last quarter I heard no money, sales are off. Personally i put it on ditchin the cherokee - but I see too many Libertys to believe it.

By the way, where do you put the shovel on the Willys? (It seems marketing has already been using a shovel bringing out this decalmobile.)

I thought I had H2's to laugh at, now they do this behind my back, it's like a family member comes out of the closet . . .

There's one born every minute. I can't wait for the Iraq Attack desert camo option - with extra large cupholders and a free morning prayer tape.

:(

KnetAZ

10-09-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by TiRod

By the way, where do you put the shovel on the Willys?

(:(

A clever engineer integrated it with the transfer case skid.

jpnjim

10-09-2003, 04:56 PM

Good thing there was no internet when the Kaiser Jeep Tuxedo Park's came out.

You guys really would've really freaked out back then.
Chrome on a Jeep :eek:
What about the Surrey Gala's? :eek: X100
or the original 2wd (only) Jeepsters?

There's a looong history of pretender Jeeps being built right alongside the 'real' ones, it's all about the $$$'s

They'd sell 2 wheeldrive Barbie Jeeps in your choice of Purple, Pink, or Special Dike-Barbie Rainbow Hue, if they thought it would get bodies in the dealership.

I couldn't care less what crap they add to the lineup, as long as they're not taking stuff away (like the XJ).

GoatASS

10-09-2003, 06:27 PM

those FU@#$%^ bastards need to come up with some better ideas. I'm gonna cut someone if they mess with the CJ's..

mtnbikeboy

10-10-2003, 07:58 AM

Hey guys, this is Mrs.mtnbikeboy...my guy showed me this thread cuz he thought I might find it interesting, and maybe have my own thoughts on the subject. Well, I do. I'd have to agree with you all that disgracing the Willys name is just plain sacrilege in the true off-roading world. The Willys is an icon, a symbol of what is and should ever be JEEP. I'm as sad as anyone that DC would do what they are doing to turn a buck. However as someone who just recently gotten into the "hard core" aspect of Jeeping, there is something I'd like to point out. If they took the Willys sticker off of it, and called it something else, I'd maybe buy it if I had the money, and so will a whole lot of other people, especially college students. It's cute. . .okay if you're done laughing ... no really, stop, let me explain. The OD green gives it an "old" feel, and camo is "in" now. The Stereo system is a nice feature to anyone looking for that sort of thing. DC knows what they are doing, like it or not. Really, if you don't like it so badly, then write a real letter of complaint, don't just b!$ch about it here. Otherwise, leave it be. If nothing else, I'm sure you can buy it, swap the tires and axles, lift it a bit and have a pretty nice ride. I dunno, I don't mess with that stuff yet.(soon...when we have money...if THAT ever happens, I will) Stop being big babies. Probably some of you are silently drooling over this baby anyway...ya know, like when your wife asks you if you like porn and you're like "oh NO, thats disgusting honey" and you're really sneaking looks when she's taking the baby out for a walk
:p

DoubleBit

10-10-2003, 09:33 AM

As an owner of a "real" willys (Crusty ol' '44 MB gone hunting rig), I find DCs choice to rip off the name and glory of our jeeps disgusting.
Undoubtedly the little abominations will sell well to the general public that seem to be horrified of mechanical maintenance and anything that may possibly soil their polo shirts/skirts.
It's a cute lill' jeepish thing they've built, prolly has tilt steering, heater, a/c, A/T .... blah blah blah .... Gag me!
Where's the axe and spade, the windshield gun rack for my thompson or m1, the twin stick d18?!?
I gotta go out to my garage for some air, and pat my wwII jeep on the fender mounted blackout light to reassure myself it's still for real.
But first a short rant ...
Pretty ironic, a german company using the name of one our wwII's most poignant hallmarks as a tool to take money from us. Further, it seems to me a Sammy from Japan has more in common with a Willys than any of the DC offerings of today.
Rant off..
Thanks for the opportunity to indulge myself

gipper

10-10-2003, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by goatass
those FU@#$%^ bastards need to come up with some better ideas. I'm gonna cut someone if they mess with the CJ's..

you mean like the Liberty RENEGADE version :flipoff2:

Grandpa Jeep

10-10-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by DoubleBit
As an owner of a "real" willys (Crusty ol' '44 MB gone hunting rig), I find DCs choice to rip off the name and glory of our jeeps disgusting.
Undoubtedly the little abominations will sell well to the general public that seem to be horrified of mechanical maintenance and anything that may possibly soil their polo shirts/skirts.
It's a cute lill' jeepish thing they've built, prolly has tilt steering, heater, a/c, A/T .... blah blah blah .... Gag me!
Where's the axe and spade, the windshield gun rack for my thompson or m1, the twin stick d18?!?
I gotta go out to my garage for some air, and pat my wwII jeep on the fender mounted blackout light to reassure myself it's still for real.
But first a short rant ...
Pretty ironic, a german company using the name of one our wwII's most poignant hallmarks as a tool to take money from us. Further, it seems to me a Sammy from Japan has more in common with a Willys than any of the DC offerings of today.
Rant off..
Thanks for the opportunity to indulge myself

Art, I thought your "Willys" was a Ford? :flipoff2:

Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree. I think I'll go run my finger over the Willys script stamped on my hood when I get home.

Monkeyboy

10-10-2003, 01:39 PM

I want a high hood edition Jeep liberty:flipoff2:

Or perhaps a FC-150 edition Grand Cherokee.

StudNuts

10-10-2003, 01:39 PM

Now I know why I sold my TJ. Thanks DC for the reminder.

DoubleBit

10-10-2003, 01:56 PM

"Art, I thought your "Willys" was a Ford?"

Hey Gramps! :flipoff2: How you been?

It turns out after more inspection it's a bass-terd-ised MB.
Least the frame tag says it's a Willys, then the tub appears to be GPW.
At least that's what a few local "experts" have determined.
I really don't much care which it is at this point it don't much matter. :D

Grandpa Jeep

10-10-2003, 02:01 PM

Originally posted by jpnjim

Your absolutely right, I am a fan of AMC, but I really don't let that cloud the facts for me (much :) ).

I do understand what you mean but it seems like you're only considering the AMC/Jeeps of the 1980's, and their light duty components, while ignoring the sweeping changes AMC put into effect in the early 1970's.

<snip>

Jim,
You make a much better case for AMC than any AMC fan I've ever met. The ones that really get me are the ones who say, "Keep your Jeep all Jeep." When what they really mean is keep it all AMC, as though AMC invented the Jeep. (I always wondered if they think my Jeep is a "Real" Jeep since it has NO AMC parts?) I think you've even changed my mind a bit about AMC. I still gotta bag on one point though. Why the two piece AMC 20 in the CJ? Was is really that much more expensive than the one piece AMC 20 in the trucks and wagoneers? That's got to be the most famous weak point in AMC era CJs. I think the AMC CJs would have had a much better reputation if it weren't for that damn rear axle. Of course for that matter, I'll never understand why Willys and Kaiser used a 2 piece D44 when everyone else used a one piece D44. I'm about half convinced the only reason CJs ever got one piece axles in 1970 was that Dana refused to make the two piece anymore.

ItsaCJ6

10-10-2003, 09:21 PM

You know that 2 piece axle could be debated forever unless we had the people involved here to talk to about it, speculation is all I have. I have always thought that the AMC engineers were doing what is currently common place in manufacturing.. and that is create a flaw "on purpose", since they were the designers they have the rights for parts..... Break stuff ,,, need stuff...

mikeswrangler

10-11-2003, 07:56 AM

gee I love the part about the full size spare tire..
I didnt get the donut when I bought my 93..
this one dosent have anything good in it.. like the lockers or lift like the rubicon model.. they went backwards insted of forward
have to hate the color also.. unless you want to go cammo its the base color..lol

this realy hurts the jeeps in general...
did someone screw up and forget all the extras.. or is it using all the surplus parts that was left over in the shop..
I agree with the fact that almost all jeeps and 4x4's in general do not see the off road..
hey I want to try the hummer on the con.. does anyone have one I can try???

Navydoc

10-11-2003, 02:10 PM

Oww, my brain hurts now. What a lame attempt to make money off a name.

jpnjim

10-11-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep

Jim,
You make a much better case for AMC than any AMC fan I've ever met. The ones that really get me are the ones who say, "Keep your Jeep all Jeep." When what they really mean is keep it all AMC, as though AMC invented the Jeep. (I always wondered if they think my Jeep is a "Real" Jeep since it has NO AMC parts?) I think you've even changed my mind a bit about AMC. I still gotta bag on one point though. Why the two piece AMC 20 in the CJ? Was is really that much more expensive than the one piece AMC 20 in the trucks and wagoneers? That's got to be the most famous weak point in AMC era CJs. I think the AMC CJs would have had a much better reputation if it weren't for that damn rear axle. Of course for that matter, I'll never understand why Willys and Kaiser used a 2 piece D44 when everyone else used a one piece D44. I'm about half convinced the only reason CJs ever got one piece axles in 1970 was that Dana refused to make the two piece anymore.

Thanks!

Yeah, I had to come up with some excuse for the 2-piece shafts.
I knew if I didn't mention them, while waving the AMC flag, someone else would.

I forget now where I heard this, but I think the AMC Corperate axles (M20, M15, and early Dana 35's) were purchased partially assembled, and AMC sourced their own (cheaper) axleshafts, which would explain the 2 piece shafts, long after Dana switched to 1 piece.
It kills me that AMC held on to this old technology for so long, even though it was a know weak point since the 60's (in AMC cars).
They did the same thing with vacume wipers, I guess they really had to pick & choose where to spend the upgrade $$'s.

BTW, I like your 2-piece D44 theory :D

&ReW

10-11-2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by rockedtj
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=&content_code=02964255

The brand has long stood for authentic off-road vehicles. But the market is demanding so-called soft-roaders - sport wagons with more carlike ride and handling.

:shaking:

Brad

10-12-2003, 03:50 AM

Saw one tonight when I was driving by a dealership. All I gotta say is :shaking:

10-12-2003, 06:34 AM

:cow:

vegasvalley4wheelers

10-12-2003, 07:19 AM

Well this cant be any worse then the Rubicon I saw the other day with a 3 inch lift and 20" rims on low profiles with spinners the other day. Had to look twice and saw the sticker on the hood, and the dealer template still where the license plate should be. :rolleyes:

Grandpa Jeep

10-12-2003, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Mo
:cow:

Um Mo, didn't you start this one in Jeep Tech?:confused:

Islandzuki

10-12-2003, 02:35 PM

:barf: :jeep:

jdog

10-12-2003, 02:56 PM

jeep is making a new scrambler. a friend of mine is a jeep dealer, it will be out next year, probably will cost $40,000(just kidding, but a $30,000 rubicon?)

mike86xz

10-12-2003, 09:10 PM

IMO a real JEEP is anything made before dc took over
right from the first mj right up to the xj

jedijeepTJ

10-27-2003, 12:37 AM

unfourtunatly my mom is thinking about trading in her 98 sahara for one of these..im trying so hard to convince her that she isnt getting a better jeep shes getting a lower model jeep and if shes going to get a new one to get a rubi..but she thinks the willys is "really cool and rough" :emb: this is of course coming from a lady who has owned her 98 sahara brand new when bought..it just now is about to hit 45,000 miles never seen a bit of dirt..oh and my favorite part about all this is when she was looking at the willys package and realized that it didnt come with full doors with roll up windows she couldnt fathem in her mind WHY jeep would EVER sell a vehicle that didnt come with roll up windows :rolleyes: