Ok question. I have been doing tons of research on Lockers and Spools. I think a spool is the way to go if you are doing mostly offroad and hardcore stuff. I will occasionally drive around town, but from what I can find that will not be a big deal. Let me know what you think, if you have one. :skull:

I am comparing the spool to a Detroit Locker. Any info is appreciated.:skull:

i love my spool....it pisses all the old ladies off...:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

a spool is cheaper and yah wont have the handling probs associated with lockers

Go spool front and rear if its a trail rig that hardly sees pavement. I only went with a detroit in mine because its my daily driver.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Go spool. I have one in my front and I love it.. (full spool too :D)

One thing to remember is that spools do not differentiate at all. If you plan on twin sticking or using cutting brakes, you might want differentiation in one or both ends to make it work properly. I say detroit if you can afford it.

Rear- spool is a good choice if you stay off the road with it--not so much for handling reasons, but because it'll increase tire wear a lot if you drive it around town.

Front- With all due respect to 1badassjeep, I'd say avoid spooling your front end. My reason being that, on tight trails, you'll constantly be stopping, getting out to unlock (or re-lock) a hub whenever the terrain changes from steep/difficult to twisty. (or else doing one of those fun 34-point turns ;) )

HTH,
Jake

If you are driving it on the street allot I say detroit, unless you can afford to buy tires quicker then you want. Plus the detroit keeps you on your feet, fun to drive. sppols are to predictable..ha ha. I say Detroit.

BlueYJ:cool2:

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Front- With all due respect to 1badassjeep, I'd say avoid spooling your front end. My reason being that, on tight trails, you'll constantly be stopping, getting out to unlock (or re-lock) a hub whenever the terrain changes from steep/difficult to twisty. (or else doing one of those fun 34-point turns ;) )

HTH,
Jake [/B]
Hey Jake,

I've got my front full spooled with 5.13 gears and 38.5 TSL's and it turns plenty good.. The occasional back up but no different than my friends running front lockers... Really there not all that bad. I just like the fact that theres no moving parts. I've seen people break detroit, etc. never seen anyone break a spool :D

Originally posted by Rockbuggy

Hey Jake,

I've got my front full spooled with 5.13 gears and 38.5 TSL's and it turns plenty good.. The occasional back up but no different than my friends running front lockers... Really there not all that bad. I just like the fact that theres no moving parts. I've seen people break detroit, etc. never seen anyone break a spool :D

Yep, except I can put it in 2low and turn like theres nothing up there ;) I hear what you're saying though.. and I love the spool in my rear diff.

Originally posted by Rockbuggy

Hey Jake,

I've got my front full spooled with 5.13 gears and 38.5 TSL's and it turns plenty good.. The occasional back up but no different than my friends running front lockers... Really there not all that bad. I just like the fact that theres no moving parts. I've seen people break detroit, etc. never seen anyone break a spool :D


One of my buddies has a spooled (welded actually) front end and he's always stopping to unlock, re-lock, etc... Most of the trails around here are ultra tight (through dense-ass forest between trees and such), so many times, the "locker turn" isn't really an option.

It depends on where you wheel. Open terrain and wide trails are much more spool-friendly.

I got an Ox in a Waggy D44 and I just shift. ;)

Jake

I know a few people running spools on the street... I will be getting one soon. From what I can tell they don't cause anymore wear on your tires than lockers do, especially if you drive like a maniac and lock your detroit up on every corner.

Ok I am going with a spool in the rear. Are there different kinds of spools or are they all kinda the same. I can get one from Randy's R&P for 175.00 That seems like a good deal. Is it?
:SKULL:

Full spool in the rear of my daily driver with 38.5" SX's. Love it, much better than a locker. It is true about the cutting brakes and all but are you in ARCA? If not I cant see a major reason to have cutting brakes. Save the money and spool the rear and then spend more on the ARB or OX front.

Spool over a Detroit IMO. Broken axle does't hurt a spool.

What are cutting brakes? :confused:

Im running a Yukon full spool in mine.. Very strong :D

I have a full spool in the rear, and a mini spool in the front. I wouldn't go with anything else. I still drive it on the street, and in the snow. Don't worry about tight turns on the trail. I finished first in the Warn RCC with both spools, so it must work good. My cutting brakes work just fine even with the spool. Cheap and simple!!!
Brian

Man, now you all got me thinking of spooling the rear.... when I go 60... and yes Rockbuggy.. I got to thinking today.. you know my motto " Do it TWICE do it right.." So Im keeing the 44 and going 60 in the rear.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Originally posted by 66CJdean
Spool over a Detroit IMO. Broken axle does't hurt a spool.

Hehehehe, don't you run ARBs?

Spool when on, open when off. Gotta like that combo.

Originally posted by 1badjeep
Man, now you all got me thinking of spooling the rear.... when I go 60... and yes Rockbuggy.. I got to thinking today.. you know my motto " Do it TWICE do it right.." So Im keeing the 44 and going 60 in the rear.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Sure your are slick!! :flipoff2: Your going to stay a Dana 35 man all your life.. hehehe.. just like im bangin your mom like a screen door in a hurricane... :D

I know interesting analogy huh. :D

Hey Rock-Cheese Taco! Buggy, alex, hole.. whatever your mom calls you now,
:flipoff2:
Anyway, I may have found stuff to convert my 44 to 8 lug disc brakes.. and I may have a line on a cheap 60 with 4.10's.. decided to do it twice do it right.. Im running a 44/60 combo.. bastard! :D
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Originally posted by 1badjeep
Hey Rock-Cheese Taco! Buggy, alex, hole.. whatever your mom calls you now,
:flipoff2:
Anyway, I may have found stuff to convert my 44 to 8 lug disc brakes.. and I may have a line on a cheap 60 with 4.10's.. decided to do it twice do it right.. Im running a 44/60 combo.. bastard! :D
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Hey 1Sadjeep, :flipoff2: Just for your info your mom calls me Daddy :D http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/srcforum/YaBBImages/181.gif Fawker!!

I finished first in the Warn RCC with both spools, so it must work good. My cutting brakes work just fine even with the spool. Cheap and simple!!!
Brian [/B][/QUOTE]

Cutting brakes with a spool? How? Maybe I'm wrong but It is my understanding that spools do not allow tires on either side of the axle to differentiate. What do you do drag your foot? Unless your version of cutting breaks are front and rear line locks with a twin stick d300 and rear steer. Then I could see you locking the back and steering with the front (even with out rear steer).
Please help me understand..
Da noob,
Shaggy

CJ-5shaggy, sorry for the late reply. I use a single handle brake from a sandrail, and a twin stick 300. The handle feeds the single rear line, and then goes to BOTH rear brakes. Having the spool doesn't effect much. The whole thing that makes the cutting brakes work is the front pulling to one side or the other, while the rear isn't pushing. The rear holds the vehicle, and the front pulls to the side the wheels are turned to. It works very well even with the spool. It ins't that one rear turns, and one doesn't. One thing that helps even more is to have someone throw a rock the front of the inside rear tire to chalk it. If you own a little Honda or other front wheel drive go out an find a dirt road or an ice patch. Pull the E-brake on, and slowly let out on the clutch with the wheel turned all the way to one side. Watch what happens. It is a blast to play with parking at Wal-Mart in the snow. I hope this helps you some.
Brian

Idont think you will notice much difference in tire wear. I know people who have been driving on welded rears for years one who drove 60 miles each way for work. I say just weld it up and save your $$$

AMEN to that spooln!
Im sticking a mini spool in my rear 9", as soon as I go pick it up, and welding my front D44... The tire wear can't be that different. Especially with the way I drive.
Scott :grinpimp:<><

i'd go full spool. they are under $150 for the 9" and alot stronget than a mini-setup. the mini's have problems breaking pins from what i have heard. i would imagine that is correct being i have seen quite a few pins break when using lunchbox style lockers. do it once do it right....get the full spool.just my op. :D

I got the spool. Randy's ring and Pinion. 175.00 I will let you know how it works.:) :):):)

Rear: spools are the only way the only way to go, anything less might as well be open.

Front: detroit unless you hate your hubs and want to see them die often, then spool it.

Originally posted by Lost_Soul
I got the spool. Randy's ring and Pinion. 175.00 I will let you know how it works.:) :):):)

Good deal. I think I paid 200 for mine.. From Tellico4x4. Mines a Yukon. :D

I absolutely HATE my Detroit locker on the pavement! (I love it offroad though) It's in my rear axle. I'm seriously considering going with a spool (ARB systems have proven too unreliable for my tastes. Next selectable locker I get will be an Ox Trax) and selling off the Detroit. That said, I have to tell you I drive a manual. My buddy put a Detroit in his K5 w/ an auto and had no trouble. But when he switched to a manual it started that wiggle wiggle street Hula dance that I can't stand. When my ARB was locked up the Jeep handled just fine on the pavement. Spool it!

Is anyone running a spool in the front with a D44? Any u-joint breaking problems?

I spooled my front d44, but the rear 60 (detroit) isn't done yet, just wondering what to expect...

Spools front and rear with full hydro steer would be bad ass!:usa:

spool front and rear :smokin:

Originally posted by WideJ
Is anyone running a spool in the front with a D44? Any u-joint breaking problems?

I spooled my front d44, but the rear 60 (detroit) isn't done yet, just wondering what to expect...

carry a bunch of tools and extra parts

That sounds reasonable 4x4extreme. I should get pretty good at changing u-joints...

Spool it for America :usa:

Re: Cutting brakes.

Most people who've done it both ways say it is a little more effective if the rear differentiates, however the difference might be so negligable as to not over ride the advantages of a spool.

If you want to see a good clip of cutting brake usage, watch this:

http://www.rightcoastcrawler.com/movies/farm2001/MOV00031.mpeg

yeah i have my front welded and a TPI 350 on top of that....make sure you get "solid" u-joint not the geasable ones...those break easier :rolleyes: just go prepared...once you get good at changing them you can do it in under 20 minutes :D