Let's talk about lockers for HP 60's. I want to put an ARB in it, but BAJG says to just use a detroit. I wan to hear some pro's con's and horror stories about lockers in a 60. I'm not talking about the smaller axles, because the are just that smaller lockers, BellyUp blew about 7 ARBs in his axles d30. I think the size of the 60 carrier allows the ARB to be stronger.

So let's hear'm (FLAME ON)

Craig

Hey Lance I think we need a new area devoted to the 60 since:D :D

Several of the guys in my club had ARB's in thier 60's. What happened to them is the o-ring that seals it wears out quickly and then leaks, then does not seal.
Granted, we have a lot of mud down here & the diff oils are changed every time we go out.

my point exactly, there are too many variables for an arb to keep working, o ring leaking, line leakin, compressor shittin the bed, yada yada yada.................


detroit............. put it in and forgetaboutit

i have seen arbs not working more than i have seen them working

I used an ARB in my front Toy 8" when I had Toy axles, and never had a prob. But back to the question. I am not sure if the lockers are different for HP D60's, but I know a lot of people who run Lockrights in the front Dana 60's. I have a LR in the front of mine, and 35sp Spool in the rear one. I must say that the Dana 60 35sp LR is the biggest LR I've ever seen. But for your choices stated, I say Detroit all the way. Pulling a front D60 apart or any axle at that just to replace a couple of O-Rings every now and then is a big waste of my time. I was going to put an ARB in my front D60, but when it came down to it, I realized for the $$ I have spent on these axles, I would sure hate to be out having a good time when all I hears is a constant sssssssssss, and no front locker.

I ran an ARB when i had crappy steering and Birfields. One advantage was that I could turn off the ARB to steer easier on tight trails and another was that I could keep it unlocked unless I absolutely needed it, therefore saving Birfields.

When I did my 60 i put in a Detroit and got rid of that damn ARB. One less thing to worry about that might break.

Also, I did a ram assist so steering is not an issue.

ARB!!
Problems with arb's are directly related to install/ maintenence. I installed mine 5 years ago and have yet to have 1 problem with it. Just changed my gear oil for the third time in the same amount of time. Never had a problem with o-rings and they are original.

Originally posted by Aggro
ARB!!
Problems with arb's are directly related to install/ maintenence. I installed mine 5 years ago and have yet to have 1 problem with it. Just changed my gear oil for the third time in the same amount of time. Never had a problem with o-rings and they are original.


sure that happens, but tell me when a detroit would ever be possible to give you an o ring problem...... never, aint got em

Originally posted by Aggro
ARB!!
Problems with arb's are directly related to install/ maintenence. I installed mine 5 years ago and have yet to have 1 problem with it. Just changed my gear oil for the third time in the same amount of time. Never had a problem with o-rings and they are original.

I agree. I held off on locking my 60 until I had enough to get an ARB. While 60's are strong as hell they still aren't bullet proof. Being able to leave it unlocked most of the time takes alot of stress off the u-joints and axles.

BAJG: "sure that happens, but tell me when a detroit would ever be possible to give you an o ring problem...... never, aint got em"

neither does a spool, but that doesn't mean I'll run out and throw one in my frontend.




FORDDUDE: "I agree. I held off on locking my 60 until I had enough to get an ARB. While 60's are strong as hell they still aren't bullet proof. Being able to leave it unlocked most of the time takes alot of stress off the u-joints and axles."

This is the EXACT reason I run them.

doesn't the new arb's eliminate the o-ring?? I read an article somewhere that the new arbs don't even require the bearing caps to be notched. An arb is only about a hundred dollars more than a detroit, so the price isn't that big of a deal.

Craig

A friend of mine got 60's w/ ARB's about 5 years ago & hasn't had a problem.
I've had one in my AMC20 for about 10 years. The first one leaked a little because the installer had never done an ARB & did'nt use the right bulkhead fitting. Scotty Ross fixed it when he put the front one in the 30, 8 years ago. The last 2 years I've had a 44 front, which I got used w/ ARB & never opened it (except to drain oil) & a different 20 w/ new ARB. I've had a few problems w/ pump not working, but always easy to fix, never o-rings or anything inside the pumpkin.
I am about to build a wider 44 front & will stick w/ ARB there, mainly for steering ability.
The 60 I'm getting for the rear has a Detroit, so I will run that unless I really don't like the handling. If I do change it'll be either spool or ARB.
I like ARB's despite the occasional problems. Then again, I hav'nt
used anything else yet (except open).

Just sharing my experiances - you make the call. It's all good to me.
:beer: :beer:

If you really want the ability to punish your stuff, skip the Detroit and put a Spool in the rear. I know you will burn up the tires, but not much more than a locker, and a spool is almost indestructible. As for the front look into and OX. It is a manual engaging locker so you can disengage it whenever you want.
Just my .02

:skull:

Originally posted by Lost_Soul
As for the front look into and OX

Ox is not out for D60 yet as far as I know. I hope I'm wrong...

i just don't get this "you can't steer with a detroit" crap. i have run a full detroit in my old d44 front and now my d60 and my steering works the same with the hubs locked or unlocked. i did have a buddy with a welded front and it really did limit his steering when he had the hubs locked but my detroits have not posed a problem. i like detroits for thier strength and reliability. it seems you always get the arguments over what works and what doesn't. well step back and think. it is kinda like the lunch box locker issues. some people have good luck with them and some people can't keep from breaking them. you hear people from both sides. it is the same with the arbs. some people have good luck and some don't. what you need to ask yourself is if you are willing to take the chance. you might get lucky and never have a problem or you could have it screw up every other time you want to wheel and then you end up regretting it. i ask how many people have reliability issues with a full detroit? how many people regret every buy ing one? ok now do the math and see where it leads you.:D

i just don't get this "you can't steer with a detroit"

I'm with you on this,I have a Detroit in front I also have an Atlas so I figured I could just disengauge the front to steer better but never had to:D

When I start to turn it resists at first but then turns easy even without ram assist.

Rob

im happy for you arb owners who have stated they have had no problems.... but you cant argue the fact there is more to go wrong with them............ I "have" heard of arb problems...


i "havent" heard of detroits failing........ its that simple

I agree, the detroit is less prone to trouble than an ARB. However, almost all the problems I've ever seen on an ARB were due to bad install. Get someone good who knows his stuff to install it. Gearman just put together my ARB in my rear on the D110. It's basically the same thing as the Dana 60 with a stronger pinion. I was all ready to throw in a detroit and be done with it when he told me that the wrong carrier was installed in the first place. D'OH!! No wonder the thing failed on me twice in one year. Of course, when it fails, you at least have an open diff, not no diff.

The only durability issue with the detroits that I know of is that they will often break when you break an axle. The stress of unloading the drivetrain and then sending all that torque to the other side suddenly shocks the system and it blows up. I don't know how many of you guys have had this happen, but i hear that the manufacturer considers this normal breakage and doesn't always warrantee it.


That said, I'd probably do a spool rear and ARB front on a dedicated rock crawler/trail only rig. That gives good flexibility and some control when necessary.

Good luck with the decision. You'll never get any concensus on this board!

-john

Good luck with the decision. You'll never get any concensus on this board!

hahahaha, tue..... true........ nothing wrong with that though.... :D

I just put a detroit in my 60...I was running a 44 with ARB. I changed for the mere reliablity of the detroit. Although I know of two people (ford 9s) that have blown detroits. If it is a daily driver I would be willing to put up with the extra complexity of the air locker. Detroit/spool is the way to go in the rear for a primary wheeler. I moved my arb to the front and have ran it for years with no problems. Last year in moab of the five arbs in our group I was the only one not to have any issues.

What is the deal with everybody not liking the spools. They are stonger and cheaper, if you are doing a dedicated wheelin rig, why would you not?????????

Originally posted by Lost_Soul
What is the deal with everybody not liking the spools. They are stonger and cheaper, if you are doing a dedicated wheelin rig, why would you not?????????



Well if you have never ran one then it is prolly a little harder to understand that they still handle a little wuirky...predictable, but quirky:D

And I think just about everybody likes the spools but it is still a newer thing to the offroad scene compared to the Detroit or the ARBs