: More HOA silliness


nakona
10-15-2003, 05:40 AM
Open gates stir tiff in Springs

By Sallie James
Staff Writer
Posted October 4 2003

CORAL SPRINGS · Police and firefighters responding to emergencies in the upscale, gated Grand Isle neighborhood have been put on notice: Lock the gates when you leave, or don't come back.

Miffed because an electronic security gate to the private community was left unlocked three times in six months, the homeowners association is blaming rescue personnel and threatening to lock them out if they don't shape up, according to a letter sent to Coral Springs City Manager Michael Levinson.


"The Grand Isle Community would like to put you on notice that if this happens again, we will discontinue your access to the community and also issue you a fine," warned the Sept. 19 letter, signed "Board of Directors, Grand Isle at Wyndham Lakes H.O.A."

The ominous-sounding letter has left Levinson fuming.

"It's so ridiculous. It's unbelievable. The audacity to say they are going to discontinue our access to their community," Levinson said.

It's also not possible, said attorney Gary Poliakoff, an expert in homeowner association law.

"If the police have a reason to enter, they don't have a right to bar them," Poliakoff said.

In addition, the association also has no authority to collect any sort of fine, Poliakoff said.

The 88-home neighborhood west of Coral Ridge Drive and north of Wiles Road is peppered with two-story homes that sell for upward of $300,000.

Grand Isle resident David Jones, a homeowner association board member, said that if the association has to file a lawsuit and take the matter to a judge for compliance, it will.

"I am aware of no law that would allow them to keep us out when we are responding to emergency calls," said Coral Springs deputy attorney John Hearn.

Police Chief Roy Arigo said police and firefighters have keys and are supposed to relock the gates after they leave. Arigo conceded they may occasionally forget.

Fire Chief Donald Haupt Jr. said that if the gates were relocked after every vehicle, response time would be affected.

Barring police and fire personnel from a neighborhood is something that would not sit well with insurance companies, Hearn said. Hearn is sending the homeowners association a letter warning of the liability issues at stake.

Mo
10-15-2003, 05:42 AM
lock out the police and emergency crews



go ahead



:laughing:

Del taco
10-15-2003, 05:53 AM
What happens to people!?


do they lose thier mind!?

aside from a terrible head injury or a bad day of "huffing" aerosols

how exactly does a person suddenly become so stupid overnight?

fawkem.

SanDiegoCJ
10-15-2003, 06:03 AM
Originally posted by Mo
lock out the police and emergency crews



go ahead



:laughing:


That was my first thought. Yeah, go ahead and lock them out. :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Oxjockey
10-15-2003, 06:07 AM
"Hello?"
"Sir, you have a guest at the front gate."
"Who is it?"
"About 4 trucks from the local FD."
"Um, let them in, please...MY FAWKIN HOUSE IS ON FIRE!"
"Sir, you have to come sign them in..."

DRM
10-15-2003, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Oxjockey
"Hello?"
"Sir, you have a guest at the front gate."
"Who is it?"
"About 4 trucks from the local FD."
"Um, let them in, please...MY FAWKIN HOUSE IS ON FIRE!"
"Sir, you have to come sign them in..."
funnay :laughing:

wheelerfreak
10-15-2003, 07:43 AM
I don't see the big deal;) If those asshats don't want the PD or FD to respond, who is gonna get hurt other than themselves? Some thief breaks in to their house and the PD says "sorry, we no longer respond to your neighborhood since we aren't welcome.":rolleyes: Fawk them then, let them wall themselves in and let their houses burn or get robbed if their gonna be dicks.

PTSchram
10-15-2003, 07:51 AM
Gee, in my town, it is unlawful to put a fence across your yard in front of the house, much less put a gate across your driveway...

Wonder how gated communities get away with it.

Oh yeah, that's right, rich folks can do as they please.

sceep
10-15-2003, 07:53 AM
Originally posted by wheelerfreak
I don't see the big deal;) If those asshats don't want the PD or FD to respond, who is gonna get hurt other than themselves? Some thief breaks in to their house and the PD says "sorry, we no longer respond to your neighborhood since we aren't welcome.":rolleyes: Fawk them then, let them wall themselves in and let their houses burn or get robbed if their gonna be dicks.

yup.

i still cant figure out why the we cant let people commit suicide?

Thats all they would be dooing.

Lock yourselves in... feel free.

Travis Waldher
10-15-2003, 08:06 AM
The emergency services just need to send a letter back:

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Dear HOA,

We will abide by your request and no longer enter the premisis. There are some things you need to understand when this takes effect:

1) If your house is on fire, don't call us, we'll call you.
2) If you were/are being robbed, don't call us, we'll call you.
3) If you are being physically assaulted, or there is a threat of someoene to do so. Don't call us, we'll call you.
4) If there is ANY type of medical emergency the person suffering the medical emergency will need to make it outside the gate before we can help. otherwise, don't call us, we'll call you.

If after a period of 30 days of no emergency services you feel you need them to return. There will be a charge of $100,000 for every 30 day period after those trial 30 days and rounded up to the nearest month of when you called for our return. This is to allow the manpower to bring things back under control.

We have also talked to the attorney general. If we can't file reports on any crimes that may occur in your gated community. The attorney General can't and won't file charges against people that commit crimes in your community.

Since we won't have to patrol this neighborhood, we *may* find it easier for us to put up half way homes for theives sex offenders, etc. just outside your gate. But, since you have the gate, I wouldn't worry about them crossing over it. If they do, you can always write them a stern letter.

Signed,
Your friendly emergency services
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Oxjockey
10-15-2003, 08:08 AM
And meanwhile, back at the ranch, those people are paying taxes for those services that their lovely HOA is trying to deny them the benefit of receiving.

Travis Waldher
10-15-2003, 08:15 AM
so? let them pay taxes on services they will never receive. There isn't anything unfair about it compared to others.

I am paying social security taxes, and I'll probably never see that money when I go to retire.

LAME
10-15-2003, 08:19 AM
Where is Grande Isle?

300k houses are no reason to feel elite, and toss up a gate.

The city should fuck with 'em and keep changing the fence regulations.:D