All this is just thinking and planning for my next project. I dont have any of these parts. I did search some but only found some useful info.

The choices are:

1) 727-Jeep tail shaft-Klune(4.0)-205 twin stick.

2) 727-dodge tail shaft-203/205 doubler-twin stick

3) T-18-Spicer 18 with terra low gears.

I dont know if these combinations are entirely possible but its fun to dream. Give me your thoughts, pros/cons.
Rig is a 63 scout 80 built for all around wheeling. Will not be a specialized truck (ie, crawler, mudder)

Thanks

I'd say #3 becasue I always like a manual in my trail rig. Wheeling in an auto makes it too easy.:D Seriously though i don't know which you prefer but you can't beat the price of the manual combo either. Klune V's are bling but way expensive too.

Couple options I'd rather see

Atlas 5.0 or 4.3 with HD front output

203/205 double with 3.0 gear set in the 203

Number 1 would be fun, but I'd bet you'd find yourself with the Klune in and the 205 in 4Hi

Number 3, still not low enough, you could go with some O'Brien 4 something gears

I forgot about the atlas. I like the option of several different gear options. The atlas is either low or not. I like the klune idea cuz I think my engine will be a 4 popper. Low is good but so are options. Cost is also a factor. Klune and 205 are about the same price as the atlas. its so tough!:D

I'm using a Scout t-19 with a Ford output, ,Ford 203 to a Ford 205 mounted inverted. Cheapest way for ultimate beef. I like the automatics but haven't been able to get one to run upside down. Lots of gear selections with the 203/205 just need to make sure you have the room for them. I strtetched my wheelbase out to 120".

I would go atlas, my 203/205 is a heavy mother fawker to yank out and install by yourself:rolleyes:

Isnt it against the law in most states to put any single item on your rig that cost more than the original value of the rig?

Klune/205 will give the lowest gears and the most options, it would be my choice.

or, since you are talking 4 cyl, Klune/dana 300 would be lighter. Another cool way to go would be dual Toyota cases, with 4.7's in the 2nd case. The hard part with that would be the 727 to toy case, probably a custom adapter.

Originally posted by slipscomb
Isnt it against the law in most states to put any single item on your rig that cost more than the original value of the rig?

The windex I sprayed on the windows costs more than I payed for the rig.

I like the 203/205 idea cuz its cheeper and has lots of options but its heavy, long, and could be problematic in the long run.

I like the auto and if I'm upside down I dont need to be driving anymore anyways.

I really didnt want to spend more than 1500 to 2K on this thing. Can I adapt a spicer 18 to a 727? or to a klune? I have an 18 with warn OD and PTO winch. I want to run really low gears in the axles (5.38's or lower) so the OD might be a good idea.

If I do an atlas or klune then I'll run more standard 4.56 or 4.88's.
Keep the thoughts rolling!

There isn't much of a difference between the jeep and the dodge tailhousing so why make it an issue??

Originally posted by binderbound


I like the auto and if I'm upside down I dont need to be driving anymore anyways.


I know. I do tend to have a more extreme etiquete on the trail than most. I believe that if at least one tire is still touching that leaves me about 30 seconds to do what I'm going to do before I have to shut the rig down to prevent any permanent damage to the motor. Although, I'm still saving up for the dry sump oil system.......

#1. It's what I got and it works great. If you go this route you won't be dissapointed but the other options are good ones too.:)

i like autos for mud:D

probably because im inbred and cant think, shift and plow through mud all at the same time:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Old Scout
There isn't much of a difference between the jeep and the dodge tailhousing so why make it an issue??

I wasnt sure if you could bolt a 203 to a jeep tail shaft.

Rick, I like your set up the most, thats why I used it first. I just wonder if the 4.0 is to low. maybe the 2.7 or whatever would be better choice. I like the spicer 18 I have though, OD and PTO winch are kinda neat features.

Next question then: Can an 18 handle the raw HP of the 4 cyl(:D ) when its attached to a klune and 37's?

It doesn't matter if the 4 is too low, because you can just use the 205 in 2:1. That's the beauty of the klune/205 setup, you have the choice of 2:1, 4:1 or 8:1.

I don't know how well the 18 would hold up behind a 4:1 klune, if you're easy on it it would probably last. Problem is with the 18 there is no upgrades for the output shafts, and you can't do front wheel drive, for front dig turns.

Originally posted by binderbound


I wasnt sure if you could bolt a 203 to a jeep tail shaft.

Rick, I like your set up the most, thats why I used it first. I just wonder if the 4.0 is to low. maybe the 2.7 or whatever would be better choice. I like the spicer 18 I have though, OD and PTO winch are kinda neat features.

Next question then: Can an 18 handle the raw HP of the 4 cyl(:D ) when its attached to a klune and 37's?

I don't think you can bolt the 203 to the Jeep stuff. same pattern and shaft but clocked differently. Someone will sure correct me on this if I'm wrong.:p
The 8:1 is too low most of the time but like Ben said, just shift it.
If this is true,
"you can't do front wheel drive, for front dig turns"
Stay away from the 18.:)

Originally posted by Binder

If this is true,
"you can't do front wheel drive, for front dig turns"
Stay away from the 18.:)

If you like the 18's ratio that much but want the ability to unlock the rear, ,you might try putting the 18 gears into the 20 and modify your shift rails in the 20 for unrestricted "twin stick". And still use the Klune.

Originally posted by slipscomb


If you like the 18's ratio that much but want the ability to unlock the rear, ,you might try putting the 18 gears into the 20 and modify your shift rails in the 20 for unrestricted "twin stick". And still use the Klune.

Can I upgrade output shafts then? Or am I still stuck with weaksauce? I know I can run the PTO stuff off the 20 but I didnt realize the shifter set ups were that different. I thought the 18 and the 20 were the same but with minor mods. Should have payed more attention in 'T-case 101'

The reason you cant "twin stick" an 18and unlock the rear is that the rear output is directly opposite the front output. The dana 18 is already "twin sticked" but it operates diferently than the 20. You can incoporate the shifters from the 18 into the 20 to twin stick the 20 and stick the 18 gears in the 20 for the lower ratio. All this should be covered on "Jim Weeds" homepage in detail.

They do make a heavy duty output for the 20 as well. Check Advance Adapters.

Originally posted by binderbound
1) 727-Jeep tail shaft-Klune(4.0)-205 twin stick.

We just ordered up Artcarr RV gears for the TF727 and an Atlas w/ 4.3 drop for P5. Combine that with 4.56 gears to run 37s and I think we'll be sitting pretty. Thats what I'd do ~ that is, with a 1500 stall converter.

If you are worried about weight and not worried about cost go atlas. When all is said and done you will have likely spent pretty damn close to the same amount.

Weight was not and cost was an issue for me and I went with 727/203/heep300...the 300 has both outputs upgraded to 32 spline is probably close to an atlas in strength....

gives me 5.28:1, 2.64:1, 2:1... works for me