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Just got this e-mail. WTF coulda done that? Do they look like puncture wounds?!?!? I have heard they have ruled out spider bites and allergic reactions.

:confused:

EDIT: Link to article in local paper: http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b1atc6qg028.html



From: XXXX
Date: Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:28:04 PM US/Pacific
To: <XXXXXXXXXXXX>
Subject: Chuck E. Cheese incident
Attachments: There are 5 attachments


Hi Everyone:

Molly was attacked last week at the Peoria, IL Chuck E. Cheese in their kids play tube. Unfortunately, no one saw the attacker(s), but we are assuming it was
just evil kids.

I am sending these pictures as a warning regarding their new play tube system and would appreciate it if you would pass on to other parents. This was our first and last trip to Chuck E. Cheese; we were appalled by the way they ran their operation and lack of any help when we reported the incident (unless you call offering us a free salad bar any kind of help in finding the person who did this).

It has been one week since this happened and Molly is very traumatized by the attack. She is having nightmares and melt downs at school. Her potty training is also regressing. She is currently on antibiotics and bacterial cream treatments, but is getting better physically (scarring is a real possibility due to the deep wounds). She has been to the doctor twice and the first time the doctor called the police due to the severe nature of the attack. A report was filed, however, we doubt anything will be done about it.

Thank you in advance for getting the word out and, hopefully, this will not happen to another child.

Nancy XXXXXX

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Kinda resembles bite marks from a kid missing a toof or two.

You sure this isn't one of those things where someone makes up a story about something false and bases it on real pics? That just seems strange that they would not do anything about it. :confused:

EDIT: Well shit!

http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b1atc6qg028.html

:eek:

Originally posted by Erich In AZ
You sure this isn't one of those things where someone makes up a story about something false and bases it on real pics? That just seems strange that they would not do anything about it. :confused:

You mean an urban legend, like the kentucky fried mouse, or the kidney thieves or the broken syringes in telephone change slots or...or...or.....

I was just gonna say the same thing.

:flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by CMN2GTU


You mean an urban legend, like the kentucky fried mouse, or the kidney thieves or the broken syringes in telephone change slots or...or...or.....

I was just gonna say the same thing.

:flipoff2: :D

Look at my edit!

I say it is a real story, with unrelated pics attached for sensationalism.




Look at he pics people... I know what toddler scratch marks look like - those are some kind of festering rashes :eek:

Originally posted by DRM
I say it is a real story, with unrelated pics attached for sensationalism.

Look at he pics people... I know what toddler scratch marks look like - those are some kind of festering rashes :eek:

Human bites can do that.


But if it were my kid, I would demand the doors be locked and no one would be leaving the building.

I'd check ever little mother fawkers mouth for that jacked up set of chompers as they left and when I found the kid that did that I would be having a nice little chat with their parents. That would include police and my attorney.

Parents these days SUCK. I hate going to the grocery store anymore. I was there 3 weeks ago and this little SOB kicks me. :confused: I'm like WTF?? His dad says oh sorry he does that all the time. I told his dad that he had better resolve that quick because if he does it again I'm taking it out on his dad's ass. Guy gave me a dirty look and walked off. :rolleyes:

Like Erich said, http://www.pjstar.com/news/topnews/b1atc6qg028.html

Pekin girl attacked in 'tunnel'


Birthday fun at pizza place turns into terror for child

November 15, 2003



By DAVE HANEY
of the Journal Star

PEORIA - What was supposed to be a fun night of pizza, games and celebrating a child's birthday last week ended with bizarre injuries to a girl.

The 2-year-old victim was severely attacked, presumably by another child, on Nov. 6 while playing in the "tunnels" at Chuck E. Cheese's, and the girl's mother believes her complaints weren't taken seriously by managers of the restaurant.

"She was hysterical," Nancy Royce of Pekin said Friday of her daughter, Molly, who sustained more than a dozen deep scratches on her body. "She was almost completely potty-trained; now, she's regressed six months in one week. It's scary."

Royce and her husband, Wes, took their two children to Chuck E. Cheese's in the Westlake Shopping Center that evening to celebrate the fourth birthday of their son, Sam. The kids played, she ordered pizza and they all ate - everything was fine, she said.

Then Molly, a small curly-headed blonde, again went to play in the tunnels. Minutes later, three other little girls guided her out as she cried hysterically. When Royce looked her daughter over, she saw deep scratches on her back, legs, arms and hands.

"The manager acted so nonchalant about it," Royce said. "They assured us it wasn't caused by the equipment, that it must have been another child. … Then, they offered us a free salad bar."

Jon Rice, a spokesman for Texas-based

Chuck E. Cheese's Entertainment, said the company provides a safe, fun atmosphere for children to play and eat, but it's the parents' responsibility to watch their children

"We are not a day-care," he said Friday.

A manager at the Peoria restaurant refused to comment.

Royce said it's impossible to see kids every moment as they weave through the tunnels anchored to the restaurant's ceiling. Small portholes covered with clear Plexiglas allow small glimpses at times, but for the most part, views inside the play equipment are obstructed.

"If the tubes were clear, you would be able to watch and follow them through, but you just wait until they come out the slide at the other end," Royce said. "It's a recipe for disaster."

Rice noted similar play tunnels have been used at the company's more than 450 restaurants across the country for 10 years and this type of incident is a rarity. "Obviously, we wouldn't have something dangerous," he said.

Police were alerted to Molly's injuries the next day, when Royce took her daughter to a Peoria pediatrician. By then, the scratches had become infected and developed a deep red rash around the wounds. The doctor said she contacted police because of the extent of the injuries, which she described as "deep clawing and bruising," in addition to how rapid the "extent of the infection" had spread.

Police spokeswoman Ann Ruggles said there isn't much officers can do when very young children are involved, unless it was a repeated event where a parent was not watching their child.

"You can't arrest or blame a young child; they don't understand jail or fines," Ruggles said.

Under Illinois law, a child under the age of 7 cannot be arrested.

Ruggles recommended that if parents are unsure what to do, and injuries are severe, they call police before leaving. "At least officers might have a chance to talk to some of the kids," she said, noting it also provides some documentation of the event.

Royce also alerted Chuck E. Cheese's officials in Texas. She received a letter in the mail earlier this week stating they had not completed an investigation of the incident, asking for a copy of the medical bills and records of Molly's treatment. It explains that Chuck E. Cheese's does not provide medical payment coverage, but "it is our procedure to assist guests with their out-of-pocket medical expense, when warranted, up to the corporate allowable amount."

For the Royces, that amounts to the $20 co-pay at the doctor's office. Royce said she's more concerned with letting parents know what happened to her child.

"We don't know if there are going to be scars, and mentally, with the nightmares," she said. "I just don't think this Chuck E. Cheese cares. I want other parents to know what happened, and it's not a place to take younger children."

Originally posted by MattS



Parents these days SUCK.

No shit, yet people look at me like I'm an asshole when I actually dare to DISCIPLINE my children. :mad: Man I feel bad for this kid, she's about the same age as my youngest two and I couldnt imagine one of them having to deal with this crap. :(

Originally posted by MattS
Human bites can do that.

The circular whelps could be bites, but a bite would not have a bloody center wound.

news.google.com turns up that ONE link, but no pics... so where did the pics come from?

Originally posted by DRM


The circular whelps could be bites, but a bite would not have a bloody center wound.

news.google.com turns up that ONE link, but no pics... so where did the pics come from?

The apparently come from some web page with no content, and an images directory that I couldn't get into (but I'm not very good at that...). The name on the webpage doesn't match the name in the story.

Although, it could belong to whoever e-mailed Chem in the first place, and she got them from somewhere else.

Originally posted by DRM


The circular whelps could be bites, but a bite would not have a bloody center wound.

news.google.com turns up that ONE link, but no pics... so where did the pics come from?

Example. Kid with one top tooth and a few bottom teeth. This is one bite with multiple marks. The red circles are infection.

You've never seen anyone penetrate the skin with a bite? :eek: course small pics on a laptop.. I cant say.. but I've seen NASTY assed bites

Originally posted by DRM


The circular whelps could be bites, but a bite would not have a bloody center wound.

news.google.com turns up that ONE link, but no pics... so where did the pics come from?



From an e-mail from Nancy Royce. I just XXXX'd her out cause i didn't know her name was realeased until i saw the link EriCH posted.

This is a real happening. Not something that needs disproven by second guessing it. I was just curious as to what others thought coulda caused those wounds.

my guess is bites Brian. Sure resemble human bite marks. They're nasty for infection too :(

Originally posted by Pazuzu


The apparently come from some web page with no content, and an images directory that I couldn't get into (but I'm not very good at that...). The name on the webpage doesn't match the name in the story.




That's my own personal webspace. :p I am Brian Goudie, hence the "~goudie/" in that webpage addy you backtracked through. And yes, i have my images subfolder protected. :D

I just slapped them up there from the e-mail I received.

Why is the parent blaming chuckee cheese? She should have spent that time trying to find the child that did it and their parents.

"If the tubes were clear, you would be able to watch and follow them through, but you just wait until they come out the slide at the other end," Royce said. "It's a recipe for disaster."


If that's the case, why the fuck did they let their child inside them?

For the same reason you let your kids play on the swings Blake. You'll find out later.

Article states she is two years old. Do ya'll think she looks two years old in the pic? More liek 3 or 4 to me.

Originally posted by fiend
Article states she is two years old. Do ya'll think she looks two years old in the pic? More liek 3 or 4 to me.

Dude, I have a 2 year old. That looks 2.

It could be bite marks. I've seen a few at work that you would have thought the child had some strange foreign disease. But it was from infection after the bite. Lots of people simply think if they clean them up with soap and water then they'll heal up ok. However they turn nasty more often then not. Looked like one of our kids once was had been stabbed with an ice pick after being bitten a few days later. The family was Hmong, and really poor and didn't go to a doc and was not treating it right and it was a huge mess. Made me want to puke to see it... :barf:

I bet it was the pizza that caused the infection! ;) Thats some nasty pizza :shaking: :roxy:

Originally posted by Roxywheels
I bet it was the pizza that caused the infection! ;) Thats some nasty pizza :shaking: :roxy:

God yes it is :barf: last time we went there was when *the punk* turned 7... thank god

Originally posted by fiend
Article states she is two years old. Do ya'll think she looks two years old in the pic? More liek 3 or 4 to me.



Dude, why are you trying to disprove something real? :confused: Dense?

Those are human bites. I'd bet money on it. I was bitten in the face in a fight once, and the side of my head swelled up like a canteloup. The doctor, both my civilian and the military, would not stitch the wounds shut: human bites are so infected and insidious, the wounds need to weep infection. The first day the bites looked just like what that little girl has.

Originally posted by Roxywheels
I bet it was the pizza that caused the infection! ;) Thats some nasty pizza :shaking: :roxy:


LOL! :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Originally posted by Roxywheels
I bet it was the pizza that caused the infection! ;) Thats some nasty pizza :shaking: :roxy:

That whole place is nasty. The pizza is so greasy it makes the kids sick... so what do the parents do, shove me the ball pit to play. They do who knows what in there filled up with that nasty pizza. I'd be scared to see what would turn up if the balls were tested. Probably some stuff that make you wanna puke to know your kids were near...

Originally posted by Chemical442




Dude, why are you trying to disprove something real? :confused: Dense?

Not doubting the reality of the article, but I was agreeing with DRM about diff. pics being attached for sensationalism.

I've been bit before and nothign ever like that has ever happened, and if she got bit THAT many times why didn't the parent hear the child screaming?

Ummm Im betting
that
chem
knows this woman.

Originally posted by fiend
if she got bit THAT many times why didn't the parent hear the child screaming?

You got tons of kids running around that place screaming and yelling, the sound of the video games, that dumb show always playing, parents talking to each other, registers going, along with all kinds of other noises. I think it'd be easy to not hear something like this....

I'm bettng it's bites too. The red spots are where they broke through. As far as not hearing Steph's right. Judging by how freaked out she is I bet it's a bigger kid, or a few smaller ones. Sounds like she felt helpless. :(

Little side note, ever stand att he bottom of one of those fun tube slides and zap the kids as they get out?
On a dry winter day I can get a good 4" arc off my kids.:laughing:

Looks like bites to me. My kid was bitten twice in a day care enviroment. I told her that the next time the kid bit her she had my permission to kick his ass. I got a call a few weeks later tellin me my kid has just stretched out the little canibal with a ttoy dump truck. I wonder if the little fawker bit again? (I also was told I'd get the bill for medical treatment LOL :D )

Personaly I figure the kid got nailed and someone has a older kid (4-6 range) with a problem. I would continue to pursue this and simply would not let it drop. Call corporate, picket, file numorous complaints all up and down the chain of command and so on. While the place really is not responscible for the incident they can be made to look that way.

On a side note for the people who feel parents suck these days. Look around, in this day and age most of us parents are afraid to disipline our children, people like social services, teachers, lawyers and so on can cause a lot of problems over nothing. MattS, had that father reached down and whomped his kid one time upside the head, odds are he wouldn't be kicking anyone again, however there is also a fair chance he'd face child abuse charges and find his kid in foster care. See my drift here?


Joe

Man, that makes me sick to see that. What kind of fucked up little kid would do that?

I agree that chuck e cheese's is not responsible for the actual attack, but they are definitely responsible for what happens in their establishment afterwards. They are supposed to be a play place for kids, kids get hurt all the time, they should have had someone with a big ass first aid kit helping immediately and judging by the pics of the wounds they should have been calling the hospital and doing a lot more to make sure the kid was taken care of. Sorry but a free salad bar doesn't exactly cut it when your kid is hurt.

This kinda thing freaks me out a bit, cause my girlfriend works as a nanny and takes the kids to places like this all the time. If she were to come back with one of the kids lookin like that she'd be fired on the spot, and probably worse, especially if she didn't have anything to back up her story. Again, a free salad bar aint gonna work.

Dallas

I'm not buying the vicious attack, but it could have been. It could also have been something sharp in the tube. A screw? A errant plastic shaving from the constuction or any number of things. As far as the red ness goes, well I had a friend that worked in a Chucky type place and he said the ball crall had a measureable amount of child urine in the bottom at all times. If the toddler spent anytime there first all that bacteria was on her and if something broke her skin? Bingo infection. And if you think a little kid couldn't put marks that deep on their own body, guess again. You haven't seen enough panicy toddlers in confined spaces with no familiar faces around. It could easily have been someTHING in that tube not someONE. Of course if it was the tube that DOES make Chuckie responsible. If I was the parent I would have local law enforcement shut the new tube crawl down and 100% disassemble it looking for just such a pointy object. Just my 2 and 1/2 cents.

Now I'm hungry.

Originally posted by Rocktoyo
MattS, had that father reached down and whomped his kid one time upside the head, odds are he wouldn't be kicking anyone again, however there is also a fair chance he'd face child abuse charges and find his kid in foster care. See my drift here?


Joe

Actually they still let us beat kids around here. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rocktoyo
On a side note for the people who feel parents suck these days. Look around, in this day and age most of us parents are afraid to disipline our children, people like social services, teachers, lawyers and so on can cause a lot of problems over nothing. MattS, had that father reached down and whomped his kid one time upside the head, odds are he wouldn't be kicking anyone again, however there is also a fair chance he'd face child abuse charges and find his kid in foster care. See my drift here?

Joe

I agree that's part of the problem, but maybe less so today. Look at the attitude of this board. We talk about proper discipline all the time. Now, we still have those, like my sister, who buy into the phsycho clap-trap of the Spock 60s and 70s. But I'm willing to be a lot of people feel the way I do:

I discipline my kids. I'll do whatever it takes to keep them safe and help them grow into functional adults. Particularly safety, I am less concerned about method than I am about results. If my kid is constantly sticking screwdrivers into light sockets, I WILL get them to stop.

Fear of child-abuse charges and molestation charges (when men deal with little girls not their own, I KNOW other men understand what i'm saying), those things are no excuse not to be a real parent and adult. If a little girl is crying in the street I will help her. If she is climbing into a trash compactor, I'm pulling her out even if she screams rape. If my kid needs it, I'll do anything neccessary to be help them.

I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Something STILL does not add up on this...

why does the article call them "scratches" when - as the concensus here seems to be - they are bite marks? :confused:

And I see what looks like 9 or more bites - did the child sit still for that? That takes time for a kid to do that, right?

I take my kids to CEC's every so often (going this weekend to be exact) and the play tubes have viewing windows and open sections every few feet. I can also tell you I watch Gracie ever second she is up there.


And I am confused about what the mom is trying to say in her email...

Is she balming the "new tube system"?
Is she blaming CEC's for not doing a lockdown and hold everyone in the building until police arived?
Just what is she trying to get across by sending this kind of email out?

Every time I go to CEC's - it is full of teenubopper workers, WTF should I expect them to do in a case like this?


Like I said, this whole thing just leaves me with a WHOLE lot of questions about what is up.

Feel sorry for the kid - looks painful :(

You can tell the parents from the non-parents pretty clearly on this issue from the responses. 4 year olds don't typically wear diapers, yes that looks like a two year old and the injuries look horrid.

If an adult was responsible/ or knows what happened and isn't stepping up then I vote for public hanging. As for CEC's response, you bet they don't care/don't want to know. Time for the lawyer to get involved. Me, I'd be looking to even the score but then I'm just a mean old dad. When someone gets injured on your property, there is a fair chance you have some responsibility in the issue that goes far beyond a free salad.

Well, I'm kinda mixed on this, As I don't know all the Details. But my General Feeling is the Manager should be fired. My reasoning behind this is the Manager didn't Follow CEC's Incident Management Plan. That is unless CEC does not have one. In which case they need to go out of business. Which would suck for a few of my friends. I know I would have been Fired if I had handled an Incident that way. Heck even if I were a store manager I would not have offer them anything. If a Customer would have gotten hurt in my store the first thing I was to do was call 911, next I was to call Incident Management, and my Area Supervisor, Who would call the District Manager. and the DM would have handled the rest of the situation. And my Company didn't have near the Liability Issues CEC has.

Nobody looks at the obvious suspect.

Originally posted by DRM
And I see what looks like 9 or more bites - did the child sit still for that? That takes time for a kid to do that, right?

I take my kids to CEC's every so often (going this weekend to be exact) and the play tubes have viewing windows and open sections every few feet. I can also tell you I watch Gracie ever second she is up there.



That's what I don't get as well. How long did it take to do that much damage? And given the puncture wounds, etc, I would suspect one very loud, screaming child (I know it's loud in there, but there's got to be a difference between a scream from pain and from pleasure). There's no mention of whether or not the parents of the child waited/watched for any other kids coming out of the tubes - which would be my first inclination, I guess. It also didn't say if the child was able to identify the attacker(s) or if it was even asked of her (I"m sure it was..).

Whatever happened, someone needs to get bitch-slapped... That's horrible, looks extremely painful...

Originally posted by LAME
Nobody looks at the obvious suspect.

you are very disturbed :flipoff2:

sucks about the little girl, i'm with rockota...someone needs to be bitch slapped.