I have a new axle. I pulled the axleshaft and can't get it back in. It's a Timken integrated bearing and race. I tried sweet talking it in and bashing on it with a BFH. Nothing.

Help!

Is the old bearing race still in the housing??

No race in the housing. It came out with the shaft and it's around the bearing. My old D44 has a race in the housing and not on the shaft.

Originally posted by JoshC
No race in the housing. It came out with the shaft and it's around the bearing. My old D44 has a race in the housing and not on the shaft.

Last time I replaced a rear axle bearing..

I had SMOKED the originals. They were of the two-piece design - a race pressed into the housing, and rollers n' cage on the shaft. When you pulled the 'shaft, the rollers came with it, race stayed put.

Well, when I pulled it, the cage nearly pulled through the backing plate, which was cracked and bent, and the rollers were no where to be found, but I digress..

Had new Set10 "unit" bearings installed on a spare axle shaft. This style has the race, cage, and rollers as a unit.

Joel Brodsky helped me pull the race out of the housing using a two-screwdriver and hammer trick..

I then put the new axle shaft into place and got the Set10 bearing just started - kinda wedged a little, into the housing.

I couldn't push it in any farther.

But I had brought my plastic mallet and beat on the axle flange until it was seated.

These are new bearings? Have you tried swapping the 'shafts side for side? Maybe one bearing is larger than the other (wrong one? Mfg tolerances?) or maybe one side of the housing is a bit more worn than the other and makes the race go in easier?

IIRC, the splines were engaging the spiders before I got to the point where I couldn't manually press the bearing in any farther - before the BFH got involved.

-Tom

do you got a Power lock?? does it go in a tiny bit??
let me know

Okay, I don't know WTF is wrong. Nope, no Power Lock. I gave up.

I finally just pulled the race from my old housing and popped in an old axle.

On to the front end. I'm sure I'll have even more issues.

Josh,
How did this work out with the Timken Set10 bearings? I am planning on doing the same thing.

Originally posted by daleviathan
Josh,
How did this work out with the Timken Set10 bearings? I am planning on doing the same thing.

I gave up and threw in a spare (Non Timken). I have no idea what the problem was.

Are you having the same issues?

Nah, and i hope i don't, I am just trying to avoid issues! I am having some custom axleshafts made from Mark Williams Enterprises and need to get bearings.

thanks

Hmmmmm


I think it just applys to the power lock. But I had the same problem and it was a little pin in the LS that fell out of it's hole and the shaft wont go in all the way unless the pin is in its hole

What about throwing it in the freezer( if ya got one big enough) This always seems to help me with press fit parts. Heat one and cool the other.......:smokin: good luck...

few years ago I got handed one of these"new style"bearings that have the fixed race as a posed to the loose race that gets pressed in first.

I think some of the companys are messed up in there build spec.

napa says they show that as a swap over part from a ford 9"

some axle guys call it a large ford style end.

but the problem lies in that the ford housings have a very small camfer cut in the outer edge to start the bearing in.

my scout d44 housings measured perfect for the bearing but lacked the little camfer on the outer edge

sure enough on the back of the loose style race there is an ever so slight camfer cut in to help get it started.

5 mins with a dremel tool it slid right in, i just cut the camfer on the very outer edge as the fords are. it didnt take much

thought I'd be proactive when I built my D60 with scout outers

when I had the outers from the D44 cut off I put them in the lathe and and cut them because gary at dutchmen said he uses the new style because they are better?.

the new style fixed bearings on my 35 spline 5 on 5 1/2 axles had the camfer cut into the bearing as the original loose style racedid.

I pulled the "timken" axle out of one SII rear end and tried to slide it into another SII rear end. I don't know what year my new axles came out of, but would they be any different?

i believe they really are both the correct size, its just that when the camfer cut isnt there its much tougher to get it to slide in.

I couldent for the life of me.

then i cut the little taper on the first 1/32 or so and it slide right in

if you look on the back edge of the race you will see theres a little taper/ramp/camfer/rounded corner like cut

i think some of the fixed race bearings such as the first ones I got are just cut perfectly square and without the little ramp in the outer edge of the housing dont slide in very easy

i cut the ramp into the housing because bearings are way to hard

as i said the fixed race ones on my custom d60 axles(semi floater 60 and 44 take same bearings)have the little ramp so maybe the bearing guys are catching on?

My custom SF D60 uses set 20 bearing and a D44 uses a set 10. Why go thru all the trouble to build a custom D60 axle and still use the wimppy d-44 stuff? :confused: :confused:

Set 20 big bearing ends:

because the d44 bearings have always been ok without to many failures.

because I have piles of scout D44 axles and 10 minuts on the band saw saved me the 70 or so bucks for the nice billet ones you show there

because the D44 tubes slide perfect into a ford 60 tube making the whole fab job just funny book simple

because then when I go to get bearings I dont have to remember another part number or application to get it right

thats a nice pic ...you can see the little camfer cut I'm talking about.

i wish building a front 5 on 51/2 D60 was as easy and cheap as the rear is.

if you stay stock width you can even do it in stages, just use the stock 30spline scout axles for awhile.

or if you wanna feel macho just always run stock scout axles then you can twist one from time to time and feel really cool

Originally posted by muskyman

or if you wanna feel macho just always run stock scout axles then you can twist one from time to time and feel really cool

I'll leave that to the Rover:D

Your I wanted to do it for less $$ is the same gripe other were using against you on the Z link BS. You seem to go both ways?

less bucks on a bearing that gives some warning is one thing

trusting a scary z-link is another

IMHO

I always try to keep it cheap then I can keep more trucks running

if money was no object i'd plaster the rig with it front to back

since it is i try to put it where it counts

Originally posted by Old Scout


I'll leave that to the Rover:D

Your I wanted to do it for less $$ is the same gripe other were using against you on the Z link BS. You seem to go both ways?

Ouch!!

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i married a pit bull with a bad attitude

this stuff is frosting on my life cake!

old scout,

are you greasing your bearings or letting the diff oil keep them lubed in your D60?

Originally posted by muskyman
old scout,

are you greasing your bearings or letting the diff oil keep them lubed in your D60?

oil

I guess I need to throw a few of these guys:p :p :p to keep it on the light side :D :cool: :D :beer: :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by Old Scout
My custom SF D60 uses set 20 bearing and a D44 uses a set 10. Why go thru all the trouble to build a custom D60 axle and still use the wimppy d-44 stuff? :confused: :confused:

Set 20 big bearing ends:

Hmm, where'd you get those? Moser or Dutchman? I'd like to retube my 60-2 at some point. Might as well throw on some of those and move up to the larger bearing. But I have a spare set of the 30 Spline axles for the 60-2 so it's going to be a while.

Did you ever mount the axle in rig or is it still on stands?

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda


Hmm, where'd you get those? Moser or Dutchman? I'd like to retube my 60-2 at some point. Might as well throw on some of those and move up to the larger bearing. But I have a spare set of the 30 Spline axles for the 60-2 so it's going to be a while.

Did you ever mount the axle in rig or is it still on stands?

Joe

Moser for $57.00 and it's under the scout soa. I'm building the same style 60 now for the disco, just with an offset pumpkin. The axles are from Dutchmann 1.5" 35 spline alloy. Parts Mike and his axle guy Brett made it all happen. :smokin: :beer:

are you going to have dutchman make you some rover patern axels so you can run rover bolt patern?

Originally posted by muskyman
are you going to have dutchman make you some rover patern axels so you can run rover bolt patern?

No, I'm going to use adapters to get from 5x5.5 to 5x6.5 and then when I swap in a D44 in the front of the disco I will go to all 5x5.5. and the wheels and tires off the scout will go onto the disco and beadlocks on the scout.

Originally posted by Old Scout


No, I'm going to use adapters to get from 5x5.5 to 5x6.5 and then when I swap in a D44 in the front of the disco I will go to all 5x5.5. and the wheels and tires off the scout will go onto the disco and beadlocks on the scout.

OK, but are you going to wheel it?

Originally posted by jdjanda


OK, but are you going to wheel it?

The scout or the disco?

The malls in Stockton a brutal ,look at what happened at the Garden Center. MUD!

Originally posted by Old Scout


The scout or the disco?

The malls in Stockton a brutal ,look at what happened at the Garden Center. MUD!

You going to make a run to the Con this year, or any of the other events Sierra Trek, the Disco Latte run?

The disco has already been on the east side of the con when it was stock and I'm sure it will see the west side this year. I'm getting major crap from Baja Binder and Scouter to finish the scout wheel the piss out of it. Scouter and I have a bet of a case of SN pale ale to see who gets there rig going first. I have almost all the parts, just need time to finish the sucker. I need to pull the engine/trans/v-drive out of the boat some time to replace a 0.25 o-ring so I can play with that toy.

Who ever said Time is money was a wise man!

Originally posted by Old Scout
The disco has already been on the east side of the con when it was stock and I'm sure it will see the west side this year. I'm getting major crap from Baja Binder and Scouter to finish the scout wheel the piss out of it. Scouter and I have a bet of a case of SN pale ale to see who gets there rig going first. I have almost all the parts, just need time to finish the sucker. I need to pull the engine/trans/v-drive out of the boat some time to replace a 0.25 o-ring so I can play with that toy.

Who ever said Time is money was a wise man!

I'm trying to clear a Memorial Day Con trip with the wife, you game?

There is going to be a shit load of snow! Going in west or east? camping were?

Baja Binder and I tryed to make it to miller lake Memorial Day two years ago and didn't even come close! The only thing making it to miller had 40"s and locked frt and rear!

Apparently you are one POOR bastard! Just stop tinkering on that Disco Freak, clean up that pile of scout parts, buy LOTSABEER, and lets hammer that thing out! WELL! WHAT YA WAITING FOR WIMPY?

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Baja Binder
lets hammer that thing out!

:rolleyes:

GEEZE I can't rember the last time you wanted to help?:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Old Scout
There is going to be a shit load of snow! Going in west or east? camping were?

Baja Binder and I tryed to make it to miller lake Memorial Day two years ago and didn't even come close! The only thing making it to miller had 40"s and locked frt and rear!

Rubicrawler, is trying to talk me into going. Yes cold, yes snow, especially with the late March storms. Talking about going in from the West on Friday, camping at Buck. On Sat I want to head out to the gate keeper and watch all the :clown: go through.

Not my fault if ya can't remember anything anymore, :smokin:

I've offered many times to help, but I'm not willing to work in all the dog shit piled up around that project!

Pick up the pile, clear a path, get off the puter, suck it up, and lets wrench.

I'm gonna start taking bets on the deal between you and Scouter. I'll probably make enough $$ to pay someone to finish it for you. :flipoff2: