I'm in the position to buy one of these units, and curious as to how much power the swivel can handle? I was thinkin of a 460/c6/205 combo with twin d60's and 44" boggers.
Ideas? Or better yet does anyone have pics of a similar modded unit?
_Ted.

If it is a true pivot frame like this one

http://www.fourwheeler.com/eventcoverage/129_0306_ttc2_3_z.jpg

TAKE IT.

There are not many of the true pivot frame around and they are VERY ATTRACTIVE to collectors world wide.

That one also has a hydrolic ram in the center to make it flex and to hold it strait. Way cool idea!

Mr Kreyer would agree I bet...VERY rare ;)

NoRM

Well HUH? Sapper?How the hell did I have a feelin you'de have input on this, I'm startin to respect you a bunch, (all you gotta do is get taller than my 11yr old son, to take you seriously),:flipoff2:
_Yes it is original, and even runs, it still has the "tags" stating the company that was the producer of the swivel. The name escapes me. I've wanted this truck for 18yrs since I first seen it, now the dude wants to get rid of it, but not to me, :D but will sell it to my brother, whos a quad freak?
_I figure a 2 week install, already have the 472 in shrink wrap, the 60's are on a piperack out back, there's no link mounts to deal with, shit i don't think it would even take a whole day to install a 20,000lb Tulsa in the rear with a set of gin poles:D

Sapper,

Got a pic of under the truck?

Well that truck was the one that was at TTC this year but there is some pics of it in the mags for that but the swiwel/pivot frame trucks are very rare. There was apparently less than 100 ever made.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/fourwheeler/eventcoverage/129_0306_ttc2_4_z.jpg

http://www.fourwheeler.com/fourwheeler/eventcoverage/129_0306_ttc3_7_z.jpg

http://www.fourwheeler.com/fourwheeler/eventcoverage/129_0306_ttc4_1_z.jpg

http://www.fourwheeler.com/fourwheeler/featuredvehicles/129_0304_TTC2_76_C_z.jpg



His running gear...

Engine: Chevy 377 V-8
Transmission: TH400 and SM465
Transfer case: Rockwell 221
Axles (f/r): Dana 60/14-bolt
Traction aids (f/r):
Detroit Locker/Detroit Locker
Ratio: 4.11:1
Suspension (f/r): Leaf springs/leaf springs
Tires: 44-inch Ground Hawgs
Special features: Dual transmissions, four-wheel discs, custom pivoting tube frame, rollcage, propane powered

I've often thought about trying to find a real good drawing on that frame pivot point.

What I found on the net was minimal.

If somebody would manufacture a basic greaseable pivot thingy, I think it would sell, and be a cheap alternative for flex.

(An Alternitve design to the Dodge) Design the pivot point so a driveshaft will go through it and be supported at the end with a bearing. Plus have an built in tube (within it) to run brake lines.

If anybody has any close ups or drawings on the pivot, post them up. I'b be interested in seeing them.

If you just tossed the body, so it would not turn into a rock anchor, cage it, add shocks or limit straps to help tame or control the swivel part, I think it would wheel pretty good.

Originally posted by kozaz
I've often thought about trying to find a real good drawing on that frame pivot point.

What I found on the net was minimal.

If somebody would manufacture a basic greaseable pivot thingy, I think it would sell, and be a cheap alternative for flex.

(An Alternitve design to the Dodge) Design the pivot point so a driveshaft will go through it and be supported at the end with a bearing. Plus have an built in tube (within it) to run brake lines.

If anybody has any close ups or drawings on the pivot, post them up. I'b be interested in seeing them.

If you just tossed the body, so it would not turn into a rock anchor, cage it, add shocks or limit straps to help tame or control the swivel part, I think it would wheel pretty good.

You should check out Canadian 4wd Mag about 2 issues back. There was a buggy in there that had a centre pivot like a articulating loader. I think you may like to see it.... it was a prototype project I think but cool as hell.

Here is some good stuff... Took me some time to find it.

http://imageevent.com/powerwagon/swivel;jsessionid=d8kvmn8vg1.chipmunk_s

Some cool pics

http://photos.imageevent.com/powerwagon/swivel/websize/swivel-9.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/powerwagon/swivel/websize/Swiv_Bot.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/powerwagon/swivel/websize/swivel.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/powerwagon/swivel/websize/Swiv_Top2.jpg

I love these trucks.....


I used to have some good pictures of the pivot point and how it is brass inside of it. It even had wall thickness and everything. I will try to find it all.

Originally posted by Sapper


You should check out Canadian 4wd Mag about 2 issues back. There was a buggy in there that had a centre pivot like a articulating loader. I think you may like to see it.... it was a prototype project I think but cool as hell.

If it was that grey land cruiser from S.N.O.R.T ? I saw it. I think the rear end design would be good starting point.

No this buggy was green and it was privately owned as far as I know. I will see if I can scan the pics of it to post if I can find the mag. It was a able to pivot in the center left/right with 2 cyclinders which would change the wheelbase +/- on each side. It was a full tube chassis with 36's maybe 38's on toy diffs. Really interesting little buggy.

Guys have been doing it up here for many years on hunting buggys. Most of them that I've seen use the walking beam from
old GMC 6x6s. They also put pieces of channel on the frame with all the necessary holes drilled so that if the pivot lets go they can bolt the frame back together using the channel iron. You can get the piovt from Rolligon that swivels and articulates, like one of these.

Rolligon (http://www.rolligon.com/Vehicles/4450.htm)

Gus

Originally posted by bottom_dweller
I I was thinkin of a 460/c6/205 combo with twin d60's and 44" boggers.
Ideas? Or better yet does anyone have pics of a similar modded unit?
_Ted.

Me thinks a 440/727/205 would be better! :flipoff2:

Why not use a 6000lbs axle stub for a pivot point. Greasable, tough as hell and you can unbolt it if you need to make changes...

Rotate a pivit like that 90 degrees and you might beable to figure out a way to run rear ends front and rear:cool: No mor steering u-joints:cool:

Originally posted by Mcstiff
Rotate a pivit like that 90 degrees and you might beable to figure out a way to run rear ends front and rear:cool: No mor steering u-joints:cool:

Now that is thinking outside the BOX! LOL

Originally posted by kozaz


Now that is thinking outside the BOX! LOL



EDIT:

YOU WERE CORRECT....it was the snort buggy....... I thought it was green not grey...

The construction and farming industry did it years ago.

Ya, ever try to drive a payloader? They are quirkey as hell. At hight speeds (25mph) they are down right scarry if you arn't used to it.

Originally posted by Mcstiff
Rotate a pivit like that 90 degrees and you might beable to figure out a way to run rear ends front and rear:cool: No mor steering u-joints:cool:

You mean like this?????
http://xtremerun.topcities.com/Doug01.html

Yeah but those tires are a little small. I was thinking more liek D60/70's F&R with 40's at least. As far as the speed thing this would not be in street legal rig;)

Originally posted by speedo
Guys have been doing it up here for many years on hunting buggys. Most of them that I've seen use the walking beam from
old GMC 6x6s. They also put pieces of channel on the frame with all the necessary holes drilled so that if the pivot lets go they can bolt the frame back together using the channel iron. You can get the piovt from Rolligon that swivels and articulates, like one of these.

Rolligon (http://www.rolligon.com/Vehicles/4450.htm)

Gus

Your talking about the big thing that holds the leaf spring?

Originally posted by Old Scout


Me thinks a 440/727/205 would be better! :flipoff2:
_I know it would seem more fitting, but I have a '69 460 whittled into a 472 with a few non stock parts in it, all shrink wrapped in the corner, looking for a home. All the other parts are kinda just layin around, thanks fer the pics Sappy.