ok, lets here the pros and cons, i have a friends wanting to the multi mount and i can not decide if its a good idea or not, i see it as something else to haul, somthing else to rattle and tie down in the back somewhere, really heavy to pick up and install, but pulls from front and rear

How many times have you wanted to pull from your tailgate? ;)

You hardly EVER see a serious trail rig with a multi mount. Huge PITA as you say.

Besides....who wants to get pulled backwards! you have to keep going and make it, right!

Seriously, I imagine they have their places in an expedition type 4x4, say for crossing the jungles, where you may just have to go back - but for the recreational, just for fun wheeling......I think there's probably a good reason the hard mount electric winch is such a huge dominator.

Besides - you can't multi mount an 8274 !

really heavy to pick up and install, but pulls from front and rear

REALLY heavy, your want to pull front or rear just turn your rig around.

But you cant turn around if your stuck and need to be pulled back. My thought is that the multimount wouldent be as strong as a stationary mounted winch and yes what a pita to cary.:usa:

Multimount has its place where you want to maintain maximum flexibility with minimum parts. You only need one winch for either direction. Just get one with the plastic winch rope and that will cut an extra 25-50 lbs off of it and make it easier to handle. Set it up to plug in front or rear. It's easier to create great approach/departure angles when all you have to have is a 2" square receiver. Then put another receiver plug on the rollcage inside somewhere and plug it in there when not in use. Also, it's protected from the elements if you keep it inside.

But even after all that, I like my hardmount front winch. If I had the space I'd love to do a rear winch as well, but I don't want to move my fuel tank at the moment. Something tells me keeping that would be a good idea.

-J

Well, I did one for three simple reasons:

1. I drive my rig around town, and didn't want to haul the extra 100 pounds around all the time. My rig is already a pig.

2. I have three rigs that share one winch. Two rock rigs and my wifes pickup. Can you say e-c-o-n-o-m-i-c-a-l?

3. No chance of theft, it's usually locked up in the garage.

That said, tie that SOB down when its in the rig. A buddy of mine lef this on the passenger floorboard. Rolled his shit on Barrett this summer. Winch made nice contact with his cranium. he had a headache that even cocaine couldn't cure.

Using it form the back of the rig may come in handy if you are totally fawked up in the deep gumbo mud (which we have soooo much of here in the PRC :rolleyes: ) , but it never really entered into my decision.


Andy

Don't try cocaine for curing headaches. I should have made that disclaimer.

Drugs are bad, m'kay.

Andy

I just put the multimount on my XJ. I already had the front Tomken bumper with the recevier built in, which i used as my front tow pont with a receiver d-ring in the past. I would have had to build/buy an new bumper if I wanted a hardmounted winch. I put a lot more miles on my rig driving around town than on the trails, so I don't necessarily want the winch there all the time as a theft target. WHen I lived in WA and wheeled in mud, there were many many times that I wanted to winch myself backwards without rigging up elaborate cable geometries using snatch blocks and trees. The whole winch/tray combo weighs about 90# which isn't too heavy for me to carry to the front of the jeep when going wheeling. I would never wheel with the winch in the pass compartment and it makes for a very dangerous projectile. We had a guy on barrett take his in the head last summer when he flopped his XJ on the side. Lots of blood. Also, I am not too worried with the approach angle as my bumper sits up high and the warn tray will take some scrapes if need be.

my .02

SeanP

Dammit Fecko, you are fast with the posts. Get your state employed ass off the internet and back to earning my tax dollars!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Now Sean, on the other hand, could prescribe the proper illicit drug for any situation.....

Right Sean?

Andy

[QUOTE]Originally posted by afecko
[B]Now Sean, on the other hand, could prescribe the proper illicit drug for any situation.....

Right Sean?


you must have me mistaken for one of my:smokin: friends. That said, whatcha need bro? I got da kind!

Originally posted by afecko
Well, I did one for three simple reasons:


2. I have three rigs that share one winch. Two rock rigs and my wifes pickup. Can you say e-c-o-n-o-m-i-c-a-l?




Andy

This to me is really the only reason i can see doing it,
but theft, ehh, weld your bolts on your winch and no one will take it (might just take the whole thing though)

I hard mounted mine for the simple reason that there is no way I was going to be moving an 8274 around by myself. I may be able to mount it when my truck is in the drive way but be a bit harder to get it out when the truck is stuck then try mounting it when sitting on the hill. How many of you would mount it cause you "might need it" I bet that would last the first few trips and get old real quick. Also with the approach angle it would help but you probably wont leave it hanging off the front bumper all day causeit will get smacked by the rocks.

Matt

i'm goin multi mount for a few reasons, one is that i can get a killer approach angle with just a reciever. in fact my new reciever sticks out less than my new front spring hangers. another reason is that i can mount it to the rear. now i dont see this as an advantage for getting myself out neccessarily, but possibly to help a buddy that is on the trail behind me. some trails are a real PITA to turn around on to winch someone behind you, then once your done you gotta back up and turn around again. and sometimes there isn't any room to turn around. heres an example:
http://wsphotofews.excite.com/041/Xm/si/5k/Xs87442.jpg
note the trooper on the left is strapped to the amigo in front, and yes thats me on top of the blue trooper. Another reason for me is weight on the front end. I dont wanna have a ton of weight up there saggin my springs out like everyone else i know. i'd rather have the weight centered in the rig where it does less. the weight is a concern for me, but judging by the amount of use we get out of my friends winches i dont think it will be a big deal. plus i can use it on my moms rig too if need be.

Dallas

unlike the POS in the pics. I have ground clearance and have thought about making some sort of a guide system under the truck so i could string the winch under the truck to pull backwards. Anyone done this? Be great if the cable broke :D

What size rig is it going on? If its a fullsize that likes to play in the mud, the max rated 9000# winch for the tray might not cut it. Of course you could always double/triple the line I suppose.

Then there is the entire factor of which end is it on when you need it and if it is on the end that is stuck or buried, would that mount sticking way out let you clear obstacle without it and if it isn't mounted yet, is there room to mount it or backup for clearance and mount it?

Does you no good if you can't install it to use it and no good if it is what is getting you hung up.

Also, I am not sure if I would trust it very much for any kind of sideload, which, although the mfg say not to do, happens all the time.

Yep, the way I hear it, side loads are NO NO with the multimounts. Reciever hitches are not designed for side loads. Odd's are if you're stuck and need the winch, there won't be enough clearance to get the winch in place. Or you'll be in 3' of mud or something.

I'd hard mount it, and weld the bolts to detour theives.

Sideloads on a receiver mount vs. sideloads on a hardmount should not matter at all.

I like that trooper. Any specs avail? My wife wants to trade our subaru in on a newew trooper and boy with swampers it would be cool. Lockers? Lift?

SeanP

I have one of them. And a hard front hard mount winches on three of my four trucks (even though one does not have an engine yet). The idea being I can put it on the front of the rangie or the back of any of the four.

Another advantage is that the winch is out of the elements. Run a little warn or stupidwinch through a muddy river or just stick it on the front end for a winter and all sorts of bad stuff happens to it. Huskys, RE, and 8274s are a little better as you can change the oil in them but the motors are still vunerable.

When i took the XD9000i apart the gear case was full of mud. Now that it is on multimount duty it has not been contaminated.

However, I have never been in a situation where I needed the rear winch. If I went out alone well maybe but I don't do that.

Oh and BTW you are all a bunch of :rainbow: if you can't lug around a multimount winch.

Ron

Originally posted by evilfij
[Oh and BTW you are all a bunch of :rainbow: if you can't lug around a multimount winch.

Ron [/B]

See, that's what I'm sayin. Eat your friggin Wheaties!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by SeanP
Sideloads on a receiver mount vs. sideloads on a hardmount should not matter at all.

Have you ever heard of "hitch class":question:
Receiver mount isn't always a good way to go. Just a you have to figure what rating of winch to use, the hitch/receiver rating must be figured. Crossbracing strengthens and increases the hitches integrity.

Receiver mount vs. Hardmount is a matter of personal choice just as some choose auto vs. manual trannies, Small block vs. BIG block, etc. IMO, I think that the receiver mount, when properly built, is an excellent choice. For daily driving I can leave it at home. During nasty weather it isn't exposed. If I get stuck I have options of pulling either way. If the rig behind me is stuck, if the rig behind him doesn't have a winch, the trail is too tight to turn around, I can easily pull him up/out. And I don't hafta carry the thing by myself. Shiat! I am helping them out, right?!? They can help carry it if needs be. I would rather keep my options open. Ever heard of Murphy's Law? :laughing:

I am building my own bumpers front and rear and am designing them with approach/departure angles in mind. They will both have multipoint receivers and a custom winch plate for even more options. Not being hardmounted keeps them freed up. My hitch/winch will be in line with the frame and not above it like I have seen some do in an attempt to keep an angle. I don't think that is a good idea either. But to each his own. If you do hardmount, definitely put a couple spot welds on each bolt & nut to tell the would be thief you are not stupid. Also invest in a winch cover.;)

I could go on and on but enuff sed! That's my .02. TIGGER4X

I made a multi-mount type of setup for my Cruiser. It does get in the way because you either have it sitting inside, or it sticks out in either the front or the rear. I have never been stuck in a situation I couldn't winch out of. My Dad's Cruiser has a hardmounted winch, and I have gotten it stuck in places where the winch was useless. Plus, just the other day, a friend needed to borrow it to pull a buried snowmobile out. We ended up not needing it, but we were just going to stick it in his receiver and run some jumper cables to the connectors. It is a little more work to have a multimount, but it was worth it for my applications. I have my receivers welded in pretty well and I have never had a problem with side loading, and I've done a lot of it. If you do build a multimount, just make sure you do it right.

The versatility, security and lighter suspension load is great. The overhang sucks, the rattling sucks, and the bruised knees suck when you forget you just put it on your truck.

Pulling from the rear is a real good thing when the snow gets too deep, or you are sliding nose-first into a watering hole.


But, MAKE DAMN SURE THERE IS A SET OF KEYS FOR THAT LOCKING RECEIVER PIN SOMEWHERE IN THE STUCK VEHICLE OR YOUR POCKET. Without that, you just lost the advantage of switching your pull direction.

Jimbo

Originally posted by Jimbo

But, MAKE DAMN SURE THERE IS A SET OF KEYS FOR THAT LOCKING RECEIVER PIN SOMEWHERE IN THE STUCK VEHICLE OR YOUR POCKET. Without that, you just lost the advantage of switching your pull direction.

Jimbo

HAHA are you speaking from experience? I have two keys for it just in case, one on my keychain, the other inside my Cruiser.

Originally posted by Skyetone
unlike the POS in the pics. I have ground clearance and have thought about making some sort of a guide system under the truck so i could string the winch under the truck to pull backwards. Anyone done this? Be great if the cable broke :D

I have my winch mounted to the frame in the middle of my truck (right behind the driver's seat). The cable runs to the back of the truck through a snatch block and back through the frame to the front. This way I can pull front or back without having to move the winch. I have pulled my truck back probably as many times as forward. That's what happenes when you play in the mud.
The other nice thing is that I just reach behind my seat to change the lever.

Tass

I found a pic. It's kind of hard to see but if you look past the muffler you can see where the winch is mounted.

Here is another one. The cable runs from the back through the frame and comes out at the front.

i dont see shit under your bed. I don't see how you thread out the line with such a small hole in the front. Got more detailed pix? The winch is bolted INSIDE the cab? Oh and since everyone is infactuated with it NICE WELDS :D Get my check yet?:zzz: :zzz:

Originally posted by SeanP
Sideloads on a receiver mount vs. sideloads on a hardmount should not matter at all.

I like that trooper. Any specs avail? My wife wants to trade our subaru in on a newew trooper and boy with swampers it would be cool. Lockers? Lift?

SeanP

The troop is my friend Gilberts. its been the featured truck on the isuzu section of 4x4wire for a while now. Its got a 3" suspension lift, 3" body lift, 33x12.5 swampers, custom exhaust, tons of custom skidplates, snorkel, ARB rear locker, LSD front, ARB bull bar, and just about every other little toy you can think of. he even has this cool little pop up camper thing that mounts in place of the safari rack for when he goes campin with the family. thing looks like a ski carrier, and pops up into a full tent with an awning off the side of the rig. why do you think he's got that cool ladder on the back :rasta:

Dallas

Thanks for the description of the trooper. Very cool.

SeanP

im working on fabing a multi mount that sits on top of my front bumper like a fix mount and can be used that way.

orrrrr it can be disconnected from there and then walked to the rear where it slides into the rear reciever if ever need be.

Im starting with a Warren Multi mount I baught used. Using a Ramsey Rep 8000.... its economical and cause I rarely ever have needed a winch.... yes..... I wheel.... Ariz. Utah.. CA. NV... now OH PA WV etc. being able to help myself or another is the main benny from having my own winch.

I have seen one and heard of others where side loads bend multimounts.

Originally posted by Skyetone
i dont see shit under your bed. I don't see how you thread out the line with such a small hole in the front. Got more detailed pix? The winch is bolted INSIDE the cab? Oh and since everyone is infactuated with it NICE WELDS :D Get my check yet?:zzz: :zzz:

I'll try to find you some more pics. The winch is inside the cab right between the driver's seat and the back seat.
I got your check last week, thanks.

Tass

This is a funny thread. I'd like to make notes to some of the
"highlights" of all this:

author comment my comment

Billavista: you can't multi mount an 8274 ! (lightweight!)


afecko: had a headache that even cocaine couldn't cure.. (ok.)
state employed ass.... (yeah, what he said!)
reply to SeanP: could prescribe the proper
illicit drug for any situation.....

(Pharmacist in training?) lol.


stinkbug: and yes thats me on top of the blue trooper.
(why are you crapping
on your roof?)


nobody: the way I hear it, side loads are
NO NO with the multimounts.
(must be a cheapo made part then)



SeanP: receiver mount vs. sideloads on a hardmount
should not matter at all. (you said it!)


TiggerX: I am building my own bumpers front and rear
both have multipoint receivers (welding is good!)


Jimbo: sliding nose-first into a watering hole. (Amen!)
MAKE DAMN SURE THERE IS A SET OF
KEYS FOR THAT LOCKING RECEIVER PIN (hehehe)


just having some fun here all...... I plan on a hard-mount
for my 8274 on my CJ.. but I also plan on a front/rear receiver
openings in my bumpers as well. And I have another winch
possibly to use on a multimount. I plan on having a mounting
point for it on the cage not to complicate approach/departure\
angles and such. I thought of dual-receiver openings on the
rear bumper for this point.. sideload. dispersed between 2
rails, it should do just fine. and a middle opening for actually
a trailer hitch. (not that I'll ever use it though).

and BTW, the second winch I have is another 8274. and yes
I can pick it up all by myself just fine.

I also don't really think my nv4500 weighs 200 pounds, but
that's another story..

--Sherpa