: Four Wheeler SCAM Is this legal?


Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 04:20 PM
So who else got their "Valued Four Wheeler Subscriber Video and coin?" Funny I have NOT been subscribed in well over a year when all the chrome shocks started showing up.

Did you read the letter with it?

They send you a unsolicited video and expect you to pay for it or ship it back.

If they send it unsolicited can't I throw it in the cat box and let him shit on it and not a damn thing they can do about it? Isn't it extorsion and Mail fraud to pull a stunt like this?

I didn't ask for this crap to be sent to me and Now I have to respond and pay or take time out of my busy life to fawk with crap I didn't ask for or possibly be turned over to a collection agency.

I plan to call the Georgia Trade comissioners office tomorrw if I have time and see the legality of this crap in Georgia. Also calling BBB and reporting them and unscrupulos (sp) buisness. Then the post office and see if I can nail them for mail fraud.

What a bunch of crap. I will NEVER send money to this company or any of their mags again.


Ohh yeah I'm going to drill a hole in the "collector coin" and use it as a fender washer on my truck. At least then it will have some value to me.

Load this post with your comments and send the link to them to see what we think of this crap.

Richard
12-17-2003, 04:25 PM
I got the same thing , and I do not recall any disclaimer stating that I would have to pay for it:mad: , I thought is was a gift

Blame Canada
12-17-2003, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper
So who else got their "Valued Four Wheeler Subscriber Video and coin?" Funny I have NOT been subscribed in well over a year when all the chrome shocks started showing up.

Did you read the letter with it?

They send you a unsolicited video and expect you to pay for it or ship it back.

If they send it unsolicited can't I throw it in the cat box and let him shit on it and not a damn thing they can do about it? Isn't it extorsion and Mail fraud to pull a stunt like this?

I didn't ask for this crap to be sent to me and Now I have to respond and pay or take time out of my busy life to fawk with crap I didn't ask for or possibly be turned over to a collection agency.

I plan to call the Georgia Trade comissioners office tomorrw if I have time and see the legality of this crap in Georgia. Also calling BBB and reporting them and unscrupulos (sp) buisness. Then the post office and see if I can nail them for mail fraud.

What a bunch of crap. I will NEVER send money to this company or any of their mags again.


Ohh yeah I'm going to drill a hole in the "collector coin" and use it as a fender washer on my truck. At least then it will have some value to me.

Load this post with your comments and send the link to them to see what we think of this crap. IMO, If it was unsolicited, ther would be no proof of you purchasing said items, therefore, no scruplous collection agency would attempy to collect on their behalf. It's merely a scare tactic.

Now, if you kept the item for use/enjoyment, you right fully owe.

If you did NOT use/distribute said item, then you owe nothing. You should be be held responsible to return something distributed in this method, as it would take effort/time on your part, which you did not give consent for.

Fawk 'em, unless you're going to use it as a fender washer. Then, you're using said item. :)

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 04:39 PM
The coin is a "free gift" god I'm cuming all over myself for a fawking coin with a jeep on it. :rolleyes:

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Richard
I got the same thing , and I do not recall any disclaimer stating that I would have to pay for it:mad: , I thought is was a gift

Yep you better read that. It's not free. They want $7 and they are going to try to send you another in 2-3 months if you don't send that back with it marked that you don't want.

ironpig70
12-17-2003, 04:41 PM
no you do not have to pay for this. why?? simple cause you did not order it which means there is no contract. if companies could do this then they could send you all kinds of stuff and you would have topay thur the nose to keep or send it back.

CoryB
12-17-2003, 04:53 PM
Unless you signed for it, they have no way of knowing that you actually received it.

Perhaps it got lost in the mail...

withamc
12-17-2003, 04:59 PM
Reader's Digest pulled this crap with me a few months ago. Sent me a couple books and then started sending me overdue notices. I simply responded and told them I didn't recall ever ordering anything from them, and asked if they had any documents indicating I had. They sent me an apology for the "error" shortly after that.

Rocksurfer
12-17-2003, 04:59 PM
If they sent it to you and you did not request it you are not required to send it back to them. It seems they are just sending it to everyone on thier mailing list so I say keep it and send them a letter that you did not request this item and that if they want you to return it to them they need to send you the proper postage to return it to them.

Grandpa Jeep
12-17-2003, 05:01 PM
Seems to me there was a PSA years ago that said if you receive something you didn't order, it's yours to do with as you please and you don't have to pay for it. The PSA showed an eskimo opening a box that had a fan in it. Anybody else remember this?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you can keep it or throw it away and you don't have to pay anything.

DieLucas!
12-17-2003, 05:20 PM
Well, it looks like I just got a renewall to a subscription that I initially wrote to cancel. That didn't work so I let it run out and was followed up by 3 different phone calls asking why I did not renew. I explained each time that I was no longer interested and no longer owned a VW (it was VW Trends mag, BTW...PriMedia can suck it!).

Well, new subscription :rolleyes: We'll see if they try to charge me for it.

ForestCam
12-17-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep
Seems to me there was a PSA years ago that said if you receive something you didn't order, it's yours to do with as you please and you don't have to pay for it. The PSA showed an eskimo opening a box that had a fan in it. Anybody else remember this?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you can keep it or throw it away and you don't have to pay anything.

I remember it and I've taken advantage of that law a couple of times too.:D

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Rocksurfer
If they sent it to you and you did not request it you are not required to send it back to them. It seems they are just sending it to everyone on thier mailing list so I say keep it and send them a letter that you did not request this item and that if they want you to return it to them they need to send you the proper postage to return it to them.
It has a addresssed return postage. Not that I feel I should have to lift a finger to tell them that what they sent me without me requesting it I don't want. Just like I didn't want their publication because what they covered didn't interest me.

I did a little search at USPS.com.

Fawktards should have checked the law. They are flat out in violation of
this law (http://usps.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/usps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=xqkab5_g&p_lva=153&p_faqid=153&p_created=999625899&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTMxJ nBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9YmlsbGVkIGZvciB1bndhdG5lZCBwcm9 kdWN0cyZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTMmcF9jYXRfbHZsMT1_YW55f iZwX2NhdF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGF nZT0x&p_li=)

I guess I'll print that off and mail it back without the tape. My cat now has something new to crap on. :D

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 06:24 PM
Hehehehe (http://forums.fourwheeler.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=4wheeler&msg=307.1&ctx=0)

larryboy
12-17-2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Hehehehe (http://forums.fourwheeler.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=4wheeler&msg=307.1&ctx=0)

i tried to report you to a moderator over there,but i refuse to join. nice work:laughing:

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by larryboy


i tried to report you to a moderator over there,but i refuse to join. nice work:laughing:

Hahahah. Yeah My e-mail is listed as Biteme@msn.com LOL Do I care if they ban me? noooooo LOL.

Haole
12-17-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Blame Canada
Now, if you kept the item for use/enjoyment, you right fully owe.

Bullshit. If I don't order it, I don't pay for it. I am under no obligation to pay to send it back and if they're stupid enough to think I'm going to pay for it, then it's their loss.

Haole
12-17-2003, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by withamc
Reader's Digest pulled this crap with me a few months ago. Sent me a couple books and then started sending me overdue notices. I simply responded and told them I didn't recall ever ordering anything from them, and asked if they had any documents indicating I had. They sent me an apology for the "error" shortly after that.

Good thing you did that. I'm getting calls from credit collection agencies for some fucktard that ordered a bunch of shit all the way back in 1991 that they didn't pay for. It looks like they're just going through phone records for people with the same first initial and cold calling trying to get someone to pay.

One more call from them and I'll have them paying me. :D

Grim Reaper
12-17-2003, 06:54 PM
Originally posted by eurobob


Bullshit. If I don't order it, I don't pay for it. I am under no obligation to pay to send it back and if they're stupid enough to think I'm going to pay for it, then it's their loss.

Yep what ever you want to do.
Any merchandise mailed in violation of this section may be treated as a gift by the recipient, who shall have the right to retain, use, discard or dispose of it in any manner he/she sees fit without any obligation whatsoever to the sender. Further, the mailer of any merchandise mailed in violation of this section shall not mail to any recipient of such merchandise a bill or any type of communication requesting collection.

Bgcj5
12-18-2003, 01:14 AM
I am glad I am not the only other one upset about this. I cant believe they actually expect people to pay for even when they never ordered it. That is pretty ballsy of them. I am thinking I am not gona renew my subscription.

Getsome
12-18-2003, 01:48 AM
Good thing you did that. I'm getting calls from credit collection agencies for some fucktard that ordered a bunch of shit all the way back in 1991 that they didn't pay for. It looks like they're just going through phone records for people with the same first initial and cold calling trying to get someone to pay.

Some thing here. About a year ago they kept calling me because someone had given them a bogus number, mine. I was nice the first two times then got nasty and started cussing at them. Lady told me that I would have to sign something saying that I was not this person. I told her that if they called me again I'd file harresment charges and I would sign two things, shit and nothing.

Haole
12-18-2003, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by Getsome


Some thing here. About a year ago they kept calling me because someone had given them a bogus number, mine. I was nice the first two times then got nasty and started cussing at them. Lady told me that I would have to sign something saying that I was not this person. I told her that if they called me again I'd file harresment charges and I would sign two things, shit and nothing.

I carefully explained it to them the first time. I know the second time it was them, when they asked for me by first initial and last name and asked to speak to me. I acknowledged I was that person and then they hung up. I think it's time for caller id. I can and will get very nasty. (Ask any customer service person that doesn't satisfy my complaint. I will drag it out into a endless and very painful conversation. Just to make them wish they made me happy.)

Getsome
12-18-2003, 02:15 AM
I told them the first and second time that I was not the person that they were looking for and to please not call me again. Girl said it wasn't a problem. After the third time of "Mr. Diegle you must call us regaurding a very over do payment" I got pissed. Kids were asking me why we owe money to someone and when I tried to explain that they had the wronge number I got a :confused: look.

To keep this on topic. About every three months we get about fifty small tubes of Crest toothpaste from someone. At first we sent them back with a note but they kept sending them so we haven't bought toothpaste for the kids for about two years.:D

biggin
12-18-2003, 03:44 AM
What really sucks is that its not even real 4 wheeling. At least I dont think that kinda stupid shit is. :flipoff2: TTC sucks ass :rolleyes:

rustycruiser
12-18-2003, 08:16 PM
Would I be a bad person if I zapped their DVD in the microwave before sending it back to them with the prepaid postage they were nice enough to include?



:evil: :D

Travis Waldher
12-18-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper

It has a addresssed return postage. Not that I feel I should have to lift a finger to tell them that what they sent me without me requesting it I don't want. Just like I didn't want their publication because what they covered didn't interest me.

I did a little search at USPS.com.

Fawktards should have checked the law. They are flat out in violation of
this law (http://usps.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/usps.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_sid=xqkab5_g&p_lva=153&p_faqid=153&p_created=999625899&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9ncmlkc29ydD0mcF9yb3dfY250PTMxJ nBfc2VhcmNoX3RleHQ9YmlsbGVkIGZvciB1bndhdG5lZCBwcm9 kdWN0cyZwX3NlYXJjaF90eXBlPTMmcF9jYXRfbHZsMT1_YW55f iZwX2NhdF9sdmwyPX5hbnl_JnBfc29ydF9ieT1kZmx0JnBfcGF nZT0x&p_li=)

I guess I'll print that off and mail it back without the tape. My cat now has something new to crap on. :D

Travis: Returning the kitty litter coated cat shit to the litter box and tearing up the $5,000 invoice to Fourwheeler. :(

Haole
12-18-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Hehehehe (http://forums.fourwheeler.primediaautomotive.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=4wheeler&msg=307.1&ctx=0)

Noticed one asshat and his exceptional stupid reply.

plunkinberry
12-19-2003, 04:14 AM
I have never even had a subscription to that magazine and I got the video yesterday. I watched the first part of it and it didn't seem real good. I'll watch the rest but won't be paying for it. I'm glad I'm not the first to think this is a load of crap.

Do you think I can bill them for replacement of the floor that stupid coin chipped when it fell out of the box?

DEnd
12-19-2003, 04:34 AM
I didn't get no stupid video or no stupid coin. I feel left out. :(


NOT! :flipoff2:

JeepinIan
12-19-2003, 04:38 AM
Check this USPS site (http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/merch.htm)


A company sends you a gift in the mail--a ball point pen, a key chain, a tie. But you didn't order it. What do you do? If you are the type of person this company is looking for, you may feel guilty about accepting the item without paying for it. Don't feel guilty! It's yours, and you are under no obligation to pay anything.

You, the consumer, may only legally be sent two types of merchandise through the mail without your consent or agreement:

Free samples which are clearly and conspicuously marked as such.


Merchandise mailed by a charitable organization that is soliciting contributions.

And in these two cases, you can consider the merchandise a gift if you wish. In all other situations, it is illegal to send merchandise to someone, unless that person has previously ordered or requested it.

These rules are codified in Title 39, United States Code, Section 3009. That section of the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970 incorporates these protections for American consumers and makes the mailing of unordered merchandise unfair methods of competition and unfair trade practices under the law.

If you do not wish to pay for unsolicited merchandise or make a donation to a charity sending such an item, you may do one of three things (in each case, by law, you have no obligation to the sender):

If you have not opened the package, you may mark it "Return to Sender," and the Postal Service will return it with no additional postage charged to you.


If you open the package and don't like what you find, you may throw it away.


If you open the package and like what you find, you may keep it for free. In this instance, "finders-keepers" applies unconditionally.

Furthermore, it is illegal for a company that sends you unordered merchandise to follow the mailing with a bill or dunning communication.

If you are aware of violations of the federal law prohibiting the mailing of unordered merchandise, or if you have personally had difficulty with such items--especially if you are sent statements demanding payment for the merchandise--you should contact you local postmaster or the nearest Postal Inspector.

AzWebMan
12-19-2003, 08:28 AM
Should get a local news station involved. Give the magazine what it deserves... Bad publicity.

In Phoenix, several of the new stations have a "Channel X 'On Your Side'" hot-line. I bet they'd just eat up a major national magazine using this illegal tactic.

Someone should start a class action lawsuit for all of the people that didn't know better and sent in the cash...

jstandle
12-19-2003, 08:44 AM
Anyone else belong to a Music company like BMG or Columbia House? I'm not sure how they do it, but if you don't send back your little form every month stating you don't want something, OR order something they will automatically send their "pick" out to you and bill you for it.

It's the most irritating thing in the world. I don't do business with them anymore, but my Mom does using my account.

Jordan

Grim Reaper
12-19-2003, 09:16 AM
Originally posted by JeepinIan
Check this USPS site (http://www.usps.com/websites/depart/inspect/merch.htm)



Ohhh I like the last line. The information I found left that part off. Guess I'll stop my the post office. LOL

Grim Reaper
12-19-2003, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by rustycruiser
Would I be a bad person if I zapped their DVD in the microwave before sending it back to them with the prepaid postage they were nice enough to include?



:evil: :D

Nope.

You can do anything you want to it. I had planned on degausing before sending it back till I found out I am not obligated to anything and their wanting payment is in violation of a law and concidered Mail Fraud. I'm too lazy to even bother to Degaus it LOL.

Grim Reaper
12-19-2003, 09:24 AM
I can't get to My personal E-Mail here at work. Somebody e-mail them a link to this post LOL.

Joe_W
12-19-2003, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by jstandle
Anyone else belong to a Music company like BMG or Columbia House? I'm not sure how they do it, but if you don't send back your little form every month stating you don't want something, OR order something they will automatically send their "pick" out to you and bill you for it.

It's the most irritating thing in the world. I don't do business with them anymore, but my Mom does using my account.

Jordan

You agreed to allow them to send you the monthly selection if you don't reply when you take your 37 free selctions and paid the $182 s/h

jstandle
12-19-2003, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by Joe_W


You agreed to allow them to send you the monthly selection if you don't reply when you take your 37 free selctions and paid the $182 s/h

Ok, thats what I was thinking but wasn't sure.

JonB
12-19-2003, 09:37 AM
Any of you NRA members? A while back I got a video from them. Some old war video I didn't order. Same shit. Every now and then I'll get a letter from Wayne LaPierre (or whatever the fawk his name is) asking how I am enjoying the video, and that they haven't recieved payment from me yet. I'll have to remember this thread the next time I recieve an invoice.

Haole
12-21-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by Grim Reaper


Ohhh I like the last line. The information I found left that part off. Guess I'll stop my the post office. LOL

I wouldn't get too excited. Unless you're reporting a child pornographer, the Postal Inspectors don't give a rats ass. I tried to inform them of an mail theft (inside job) and it was all I could do to get them to take my info.

440-fide Ramcharger
12-22-2003, 07:53 PM
Got my free vid and dvd today :D :D

I will call them and tell them Thanks for the free vid :flipoff2:

You probably don't want to send me any more because I am not going to pay for them either :flipoff2:

Oh Yeah, Don't even THINK of sending me a bill.

Thanks again... :flipoff2:

yldkat
12-22-2003, 08:13 PM
Anyone notice the TTC Video was waaay back when Sam of Sam's Off Road won? Christ, what was that, 5 years ago?
Sounds like they are trying to profit off a buncha old crap, and clean out their storerooms. I mean, for the few people who pay for it, they basicly cut their losses... Allot like having a rummage sale.

JeepinIan
12-23-2003, 05:16 AM
Originally posted by 440-fide Ramcharger
Got my free vid and dvd today :D :D

I will call them and tell them Thanks for the free vid :flipoff2:

You probably don't want to send me any more because I am not going to pay for them either :flipoff2:

Oh Yeah, Don't even THINK of sending me a bill.

Thanks again... :flipoff2:

Why call em? Don't waste your money. Let them contact you & then tell em you ain't payin' on thier dime.

jeepdaddytj
12-25-2003, 05:00 AM
Originally posted by AzWebMan
Should get a local news station involved. Give the magazine what it deserves... Bad publicity.

In Phoenix, several of the new stations have a "Channel X 'On Your Side'" hot-line. I bet they'd just eat up a major national magazine using this illegal tactic.

Someone should start a class action lawsuit for all of the people that didn't know better and sent in the cash...





best idea yet:D

jeeplvr
12-25-2003, 10:02 AM
I got the same package from 4 wheel offroad.
It's not the cost that bothers me it's the principal.

You are right the content is very old like way back when Jake Halenback took 3rd in his old sammi. He's had at least 2 other buggies since then.
I am very curious to see how this great marketing blunder turns out. :eek:

82F100SWB
12-25-2003, 11:31 PM
Hmm, wonder if they're doing this up here in Canuckia too? I'm a Petersens subscriber...
I like free movies... LOL

Garza
12-26-2003, 05:56 AM
So what are most of you doing with it, I got this crap too. I watched part of the DVD and saw it was the old ass TTC. What a bunch of crap. I havent had a subscription to FW in like 2-3 years. I printed out the US Postal Insection Service letter just as a back up. So has anyone sent it back or recieved anything because they didnt yet??

billp
12-26-2003, 07:32 AM
Originally posted by yldkat
Anyone notice the TTC Video was waaay back when Sam of Sam's Off Road won? Christ, what was that, 5 years ago?
Sounds like they are trying to profit off a buncha old crap, and clean out their storerooms. I mean, for the few people who pay for it, they basicly cut their losses... Allot like having a rummage sale.

I agree. Certainly they know that nobody they send it to has any obligation to pay for it or send it back. They also know that a percentage of the people they send it to will either pay for it or send it back because they either like it and want to "preview future titles" or don't know better. I would bet they projected that the cost of freight minus however much they take in from those who pay would be less than the cost of disposal. Or some such crap...

Anyway, I watched mine and I'm not returning it or sending in the $7. :flipoff2:

obex26
12-26-2003, 08:42 AM
I just finished talking to the 1-800 number rep for 4wheeler they are open today on 12/26/03 Call them. I asked why i was being charged for something I didnt ask for or get. They said i was not liable to return it to them. I had also moved about the time said item was shipped and items are not forwarded via po box. I still wanna know why my subscription stopped goming after the so called video was sent to me. i think they have been monitoring this thread and others and i am pretty sure the person who came up with the idea for this promotion is probably unemployed now.

GO 4LO
12-26-2003, 09:48 AM
I haven't looked at mine closely yet, but if it's prepaid postage, what's stopping you from putting the tape back in the package along with an 8"x10" sheet of 1/4" steel, or maybe a ziploc baggy of lead shot? If they're paying $20 each in postage on the returns, they'd quit sending these things out :flipoff2: . LOL.
Chris

pyros46290
12-26-2003, 10:29 AM
same thing happened to me with "4x4 power" magazine. i found an ad for a free trial issue so i said sure! then they sent me one... and another... and another... and the bill. well none of the mags came with any way to reply back to them untill i got the bill. so i just didnt pay it and never read another one of their lame mags or got another letter from them. i aint payin for somethin thats free :flipoff2:

Supergper
12-26-2003, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by GO 4LO
I haven't looked at mine closely yet, but if it's prepaid postage, what's stopping you from putting the tape back in the package along with an 8"x10" sheet of 1/4" steel, or maybe a ziploc baggy of lead shot? If they're paying $20 each in postage on the returns, they'd quit sending these things out :flipoff2: . LOL.
Chris


I was thinking about doing the same thing...since my package was ruined when I opened it I guess I will just build a crate to send it back to them in, of course they will get a few extra items with it:D its gotta be overnighted too (pre-paid postage rocks:p)


If they were really trying to get people to commit to a video subscription you would think they would send out something better than a gay ass TTC video:rolleyes: at least make it current...

Al Kaholick
12-26-2003, 11:08 AM
a few months ago bmg sent me a country cd, dont remember what it was but my dad liked the guy so I gave it to him. Now I had cancelled my account with them years ago and its a mystery to me how they got my new address. When they sent me the second bill I called them and told them I got it, knew I didnt order it and gave it away because I thought it was free. They wiped off the chqarges and I have had no further problems

unimogken
02-05-2004, 03:44 PM
Any more updates to people being charged or called about the vid/dvd??

Grim Reaper
02-06-2004, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by unimogken
Any more updates to people being charged or called about the vid/dvd??

Yeah a guy on CK5 just posted yesterday that Fourwheeler tried to charge him. Another guy posted on Fourwheelers site that he called when he got the same letter and they said it was a gift and didn't atempt to do anything else from there.

I Tried to E-mai lthem through their automated crap system off the site that they were in violation. Still have not heard anything from them.

They know they are in the wrong here and it appears they are just taking the gamble and sending out letters. I can't wait to get one. Let my Lawyer look at it when I have him update my Will in a couple months. Send a copy to the Post office as well.

Maybe I'll give this one to that prick Clark Howard. LOL.

unimogken
02-06-2004, 08:33 AM
I was just curious because I came across the package that they sent me.

I gave it to the kid next door.

Grim Reaper
02-06-2004, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by unimogken
I was just curious because I came across the package that they sent me.

I gave it to the kid next door.


Yeah they are just jerking your bobzookie....They don't have a leg to stand on and they know it.

demonranger
02-06-2004, 09:53 AM
I'm pissed off I needed a new frizbee and a new washer I want one

lt1yj
02-06-2004, 10:02 AM
I got the package and sent them an email thanking them for the free gift. I referenced the information from the USPS site and provided a link so the receiver could check it directly.

I received a very polite email:


Dear Paul:

Thank you for your letter regarding the Four Wheeler Video Collection.

We have put together an offer our subscribers could preview at no risk. You are under no obligation to participate in the program. I’d like to reassure you that any items you receive without requesting are yours to keep without obligation.

Your comments and those from other subscribers, both complimentary and otherwise, are extremely important to us and help with the development of new programs. We will continue to listen to our subscribers and work hard for your complete satisfaction.

You are a valued subscriber and we apologize for any inconvenience. We are very sorry of your decision to not renew your subscription. If you have any other questions or concerns, please call us at 1-888-784-4868, or email us at

4wheel@cust-serv.net.

Sincerely

Matt Watt
Account Services Representative
Four Wheeler Product Programs

Krylon..
03-08-2004, 12:59 PM
Bringin up da past..


Just got a letter from Petersens.. THought maybe it was a renewal but its about the video......

The letter is dated February 19th, but I just got it Saturday.... Here's some text from the letter that most will find amusing:

"Michael, our records indicate that we are still waiting for your decision. I've heard from most of the fellow 4wheel&Off Road magazine subscribers and their response to this new series has been amazing!"

They even sent me another return postage paid label to return the videos if I like.

The letter is from Matt Blaire of4WORmag.........

Foxfab
03-10-2004, 05:27 AM
I just got the same letter.

Mud Soup
03-10-2004, 06:26 AM
You all should have mailed them back a bunch of crap on their return postage along with an invoice for the parts you just sent them.

Grim Reaper
03-10-2004, 12:48 PM
Hehe I have got two of these letters. Going to photo copy it and send it to the post master for fun.

440-fide Ramcharger
03-10-2004, 12:59 PM
I got the letter and called them and asked them WTF? I did not order anything, don't expect any payment. She asked if I got the vid and I said, Yes, Thanks. :flipoff2:

They were very nice and said I will not recieve any more bills.

RichieOTR
03-10-2004, 05:03 PM
Someone needs to mail them the link to this thread and explain that the marketing/sales department just needs to let this whole thing go. It was a good concept from a sales standpoint, but 4 wheelers are not the type to just roll over and take being screwed.

Mustard Dog
03-10-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by RichieOTR
Someone needs to mail them the link to this thread and explain that the marketing/sales department just needs to let this whole thing go. It was a good concept from a sales standpoint, but 4 wheelers are not the type to just roll over and take being screwed.

Great idea, how about you get right on that;)

Foxfab
03-11-2004, 09:26 AM
Just got a response back:

Dear Michael,

Thank you for your email. It is always a pleasure to hear from our
members. I have taken care of your account for you, so we will not send
you any further items in this collection. Since you did not order this
video, feel free to keep it for free. Again, I apologize for any
inconvenience this may cause. If you have any further questions, please
do not hesitate to contact us in the future.

Thank you,

Mr. Kelly St. John
4 Wheeler Product Programs

plunkinberry
03-11-2004, 09:34 AM
but 4 wheelers are not the type to just roll over and take being screwed.

Except when it comes to land closures:mad: I wish MORE folks would take a stand and let their voices be heard like the group here at PBB!

Bobzooki
03-11-2004, 09:37 AM
Damn, and I wanted a free Jeep coin. :shaking:

I did get a video and coin from the NRA. It's a pity they choose to spend my life membership dues this way. At the least, they could have sent a DVD, instead of a VHS tape! Do you suppose they're just disposing of old inventory, and taking a tax writeoff on it?

Bitterman
03-11-2004, 09:55 AM
1. Save every Free Credit Card Offer you get, Put it in pile A
2. Save every Free Coupon You get, put that in pile B
3. Now open the credit card mail from pile A and find the Business Reply Mail Envelope.
4. Take the coupons from pile B and stuff them in the envelope you hold in your hand.
5. Drop the stuffed to the brim envelopes in your mail and walk away whistling.
I have now received two phone calls from the credit card companies telling me that they received a stuffed envelope with coupons rather then my application. They informed me that it they are not pleased that they footed the bill for the crap I sent them. I reply with "It says Business Reply Mail" I'm suggesting coupons to you to ensure that your business is more successful. They promptly hang up on me.
Now, I did this for about a month before it got boring, so I got an added idea! I added exactly 33 cents worth of pennies to the envelope so they paid EXTRA due to the weight. I got a call informing me about the money, I said it was a mistake and I demanded my change back. After yelling at the clerk and then to the supervisor they agreed to my demands and cut me a check for the money. I hold in my hand at this very moment a check from GTE Visa for exactly 33 cents.