My step dads 84 Ford f150 has been sittin out front for months. It's got a 351 Windsor backed by a np435, i think. It's a 4 speed with unsynchronized first. Anyway, I thought about swappin it into my 84 CJ, the motor and trans. I'd like it to be fuel injected, Anyone have experience with the holly pro-jection kit. How much does one run$$. How much adaptation would be needed to mate it to my d300.

From what I've heard about the holley pro-jection, run away as fast as you can, they are real turd.

shouldnt take much to adapt the d300 to the 4500 im sure thousands have been done and just get a quality side bowl carb and a fuel pressure regulator valve.:beer:

Originally posted by trailhawg
shouldnt take much to adapt the d300 to the 4500 im sure thousands have been done and just get a quality side bowl carb and a fuel pressure regulator valve.:beer:

Did you mean the np435 not the 4500. Who makes a good carb and would that be like a Q-Jet carb. I don't know much about carbs.

The NP435 adapts to the d300 with an AA adapter and output shaft. the cost is about $450. I can get a part number for you when I get back to Sacto mid week. It is the same part as the adapter and shaft used for the NP435 to the AtlasII.
I would not even consider putting a nice V8 swap into a performance off road Jeep, and then settle for a carb. The ability to run smooth, even upside down is probably the most important aspect of an off road engine.
The 5.0 components can be adapted to a 351 windsor, or you could go to the FI 351 truck system.
A good source for these kinds of modifications, are all of the 5.0, and Ford Performance magazines. Go to your local supermarket and there is bound to be at least 2 mags available all the time. "5.0 Mustang" is about the best one. Be carefull though, those magazines can easily tempt you to try to build a 850 HP Pro Street, 9 second mill.
Keep it simple, the 351 with just a few well thought out mods, can put out 300 hp/375ft lbs.

be wary before starting a engine swap it could well double in cost from your best estimates and you will have to deal with brain doning parts people that tell you that it has never been done before and is not possible. As for the projection my friend and i just got done putting one on his cruiser and so far it seems great. i have heard some weird things about running a cb or ham radio around one because they go haywire, but as for now it seems to work great.

save yourself some money and have a Q-jet set up right, but if you are set on injection, try Howell

I guess I just dont understand, why an aftermarket FI system would ever be suggested over the Ford EECIV factory system.
I have heard good and bad about the Howell system over the last few years, more good than bad, but far to many bads to even consider it an also ran against the Ford system. I have not heard much about the Holley system.
The Ford EECIV system on the other hand is widely accepted as one of the most reliable engine management systems ever designed.
And hooking up the FI to the 351 is not like your breaking a new trail. There is highway of information and parts for the conversion.
If you pull the system from a junker, it will be cheaper than any aftermarket system. And product support for performance enhancement is ridiculously abundant and very affordable through competetive marketing. HOT ROD magazine quoted in an edition a couple of months ago, that the recent success and performnace at tracks across the country, has lead to a Ford 5.0/351 glut that amounts to the 55 Chevy, in the past.

As far as the difficulty of an engine swap, yeah they are a pain in the ass durring some stages of the swap, and they always cost more than you figured. But it is very rewarding if done right. And performance of an FI V8 in a Jeep is just sweeeet.

E mail me, and Ill give you some phone numbers, that will keep you on the right path.

i agree with h8 but i don't know the budget of cj josh to be able to say what is best. if the motor runs good the most economical way is to get a good q-jet slap it on it and run it for a while and then look into swapping in injection. i agree with running the ford efi over the after market stuff. :D

if i ran a ford i'd go stock FI. lots of info out there for your swap. get ahold of h8monday(someone who has done the swap).:beer:

If you are wanting to put a ford VE into your jeep i would go with the 302(5.0). There is prolly as much stuf out there for it as there is for the chevy 350. from personal experiences i would rather have the 302 over the 351 in an offroad vehicle.

also 86 and later(FI units) 5.0 HO's out of mustangs are about a dime a dozen in junk yards. you have to have the mustang intake for the low profile to clear the jeep hood. i found one the other day for $250. It was complete from oil pan to upper and lower plennoms(sp?). the only thing it was missing is a wiring harness which is the same in f150 trucks sporting the same motor.

H8Monday, i do not think that the parts are interchangable between 302 and 351. when i replaced the motor in my truck in august of 99, i wanted to swap in a 351 for a lil more power. however i know no that the 302 is a lil more fuel efficient and performes about the same. i believe the two use completely different intake. also i didint think they made a FIed mustang with a 351. therefore the use of a stock FI setup would be very hard unless he has a large body lift to clear the large upper plennom(sp?)

someone correct me if im wrong :flipoff2:

Originally posted by AGGIECJ-7
If you are wanting to put a ford VE into your jeep i would go with the 302(5.0). There is prolly as much stuf out there for it as there is for the chevy 350. from personal experiences i would rather have the 302 over the 351 in an offroad vehicle.

also 86 and later(FI units) 5.0 HO's out of mustangs are about a dime a dozen in junk yards. you have to have the mustang intake for the low profile to clear the jeep hood. i found one the other day for $250. It was complete from oil pan to upper and lower plennoms(sp?). the only thing it was missing is a wiring harness which is the same in f150 trucks sporting the same motor.

H8Monday, i do not think that the parts are interchangable between 302 and 351. when i replaced the motor in my truck in august of 99, i wanted to swap in a 351 for a lil more power. however i know no that the 302 is a lil more fuel efficient and performes about the same. i believe the two use completely different intake. also i didint think they made a FIed mustang with a 351. therefore the use of a stock FI setup would be very hard unless he has a large body lift to clear the large upper plennom(sp?)

someone correct me if im wrong :flipoff2:


Sheeit howdy, being from Texas I thought you would now about all the Ford stuff. Just kidding, but many of the top cars in the Outlaw series are from Texas, they are making huge leeps in HP every other weekend. They are getting into the low 7's, in the Pro Street 5.0 class. But many hp junkies use the 5.8 as an answer for more displacement. The 93 - 95 Ford lightning, used a 5.8, with similar componentry to the 5.0 MPI, but they do have different intakes and plennums. That spawned much of the aftermarket swap technology. There are some companies that make the harness swap and most everything else you need, and its not a NASA budget type of swap as far as money. The complete Mass air engine conversion, with sensors, injectors, computer and harness, is $950, from one of the respected companies. Thats about all I know, but it wouldnt be hard to get the info needed to do it.

Easiest thing to do, if someone is interested in swapping in a Ford engine, is to buy a couple of Ford/Mustang performance magazines. "5.0" is about the most informative for engines.

sorry to bring back a 7 y/o thread, It came up in a search and some info is wrong. The transmission the OP describes is a T18 (no syncro on 1st). ok, I'll shut up and continue my research:D

I'm running a Holly truck avenger, and I love it. I have been asked many times what EFI kit am I using. I've stood my jeep on it's front and back bumpers and no problems. Pluse the holly is square bore and will bolt on to the intake you have now if it's a 4 barrel. Q-jets are spread bore. They do make adapters to go either way. Speaking of adapters here's the link you want.

http://eshop.advanceadapters.com/commerce/ccp1106-28p-n-50-380129-ford-np435-to-jeep-dana-300-adapter-50-3801-50-3801.htm

sorry to bring back a 7 y/o thread, It came up in a search and some info is wrong. The transmission the OP describes is a T18 (no syncro on 1st). ok, I'll shut up and continue my research:D

No, sorry but you not entirely right either: the NP435 does NOT have a syncro'd first gear either.

I dont know about the T18.

I'm running a Holly truck avenger, and I love it. I have been asked many times what EFI kit am I using. I've stood my jeep on it's front and back bumpers and no problems. Pluse the holly is square bore and will bolt on to the intake you have now if it's a 4 barrel. Q-jets are spread bore. They do make adapters to go either way. Speaking of adapters here's the link you want.

http://eshop.advanceadapters.com/commerce/ccp1106-28p-n-50-380129-ford-np435-to-jeep-dana-300-adapter-50-3801-50-3801.htm

If only you had a time machine.

If you haven't read this thread it deals with Ford swaps,mostly 5.0 but there is a liitle info. on the 351. You'll probably have to search a little bit as the topic has grown astronomically huge.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=45309&page=72

A 351 is a bit bigger than a 302, size wise... but the rest is pretty much the same... just read the ford 302 swap thread (ALL OF IT)... you will see tons of peoples swaps... including mine as well as jeepnford's... and you will more than likely drool of hackfabrications jeep... that thing is gonna be sick when its complete...