I have had the absolute most fawked up day and then I got tapped for smog test center only smog testing. Of course the 40 failed on the CO2 measurement of 1.39 I had 7.26. :mad: Of course the idiot I had to go to wouldn't give me a pretest so I could fix any of this before the state became aware of it. I talked to my mechanic and he said no sweat that he could sort it out but my question is this. What ramifications if any are going to come from failing this miserably and the state knowing about it? Is this test center only BS going to be my future from now on with the 40?

Is it carbon monoxide or dioxide? If it's monoxide then it means of course a lot of gas isn't burning completely. If your engine has lost compression for example then fixing it will give better performance. It's alos possible that on a perfectly good but old engine that installing a throttle point fuel injection system including closed loop feedback with an O2 sensor will give MUCH better performance, mileage and emissions.
Haven't you noticed that modern fuel injection gas engines start easily and run and idle smoothly? The key is fuel injection with feedback control. TPI systems for Land Cruisers (is that what you mean by a "40"?) are available and not too expensive.
Good luck.
Charlie

Originally posted by Charles Aarons
Haven't you noticed that modern fuel injection gas engines start easily and run and idle smoothly? The key is fuel injection with feedback control. TPI systems for Land Cruisers (is that what you mean by a "40"?) are available and not too expensive.

Replacing a carb with FI is not smog legal. And I don't give a rats arse if the rig runs cleaner and uses less gas. The law is not designed for lower emissions, it is designed to help keep the smog shops busy and people off the road that cannot afford a new car every other year. You forgot this is CA man.

Originally posted by jdjanda


Replacing a carb with FI is not smog legal. And I don't give a rats arse if the rig runs cleaner and uses less gas. The law is not designed for lower emissions, it is designed to help keep the smog shops busy and people off the road that cannot afford a new car every other year. You forgot this is CA man.

I'm afraid to tell you, but you are wrong... It is very possible to install a FI system on a carb rig, and still pass smog. Whoever told you otherwise was wrong. This is CA, and I know that we have a lot of bullshit rules when it comes to emission testing, but I make my living doing smog inspections, and making older, bucket a$$ rigs pass smog. If you have a problem getting your junk to pass smog, and think it is because it is more than a couple years old, then there is something wrong with your perception of life.....

Brian--

As a gross polluter your truck is now on a sort of probation. You will have to get a smog check every year for the next 5 years. If you pass 5 years in a row then you get to go back to every other year testing.

It really isn't going to be any worse than you have already felt. even it it passed, they could still tag you for yearly test only tests, or yarly tests for a couple of years. What you failed is CO's. You are running way to rich. Or if this were fuel injected, we call this out of fuel control. Once you fix or get this fixed you need to go back to the test only for retest.
If you have a shop fix it, find one that is Gross Polluter certified. This type of station can repair and test your vehicle.
Also, since you were directed to a test only you have a almost 100% chance of getting California to pay for your repair. This is called consumer assistance. The test only should have given you this info.
If your in the Sacramento area, PM me and I will walk you through it.

John

us easterners in Ohio run the lowest octane gas you can find like 85 or so and lean the carb way out and retard the timing so that everything gets burned, I know of a few dozen guys that do that and it always works.

did they do a idle test or run your truck on a treadmill?
Big Nate

glad my state isnt doing this shit yet. does the age of the vehicle allow it to pass without smog?

Originally posted by Big Nate
us easterners in Ohio run the lowest octane gas you can find like 85 or so and lean the carb way out and retard the timing so that everything gets burned, I know of a few dozen guys that do that and it always works.

did they do a idle test or run your truck on a treadmill?
Big Nate

Cant play those games here. They check your timing too during the physical inspection. So glad I went diesel and my rigs pre-smog cause 90% of the laws here are total BS and do nothing to really reduce emissions at the tailpipe.

Originally posted by 1uglyranger


I'm afraid to tell you, but you are wrong... It is very possible to install a FI system on a carb rig, and still pass smog. Whoever told you otherwise was wrong. This is CA, and I know that we have a lot of bullshit rules when it comes to emission testing, but I make my living doing smog inspections, and making older, bucket a$$ rigs pass smog. If you have a problem getting your junk to pass smog, and think it is because it is more than a couple years old, then there is something wrong with your perception of life.....

Brian--

Brian,

Then please enlighten me. Every thing I have read, everyone I have talked to has said it is a no go. I want to replace my crappy carb with FI. The Holley kit does not a have a CARB cert (I think it is CARB), nor does the Howell kit. So what is the trick to replacing my carb with FI. I also get slack for not having an Air Pump, in my year Scout some did some did not have the air pump setup, depends on the factory it was built at. Do I have to take it to a Ref? It will pass smog now, did it Jan of last year. Also is it still a rolling 30 years, or did the law pass requiring all 73's and on to pass smog.

Joe

Cant you put an adapter on for a TBI, add a comp, O2 sensor, speed sensor, elec fuel pump, and Howell wire harness. Those parts must be CARB approved. Guess you would need a coolant temp sensor in the manifold too. Not sure on the air pump, if you have one. You would have to change the pump if you have air injection.

Okay, HC WAS 243 @ 25 mph (max is 161) and the CO% was 7.26 (max is 1.39:D ) @ 25 mph. There is also a note at the bottom that my timing failed the ignition check due to engine rpm being out allowance. The poor thing has sat for the last 3 months while getting her new cage.

How does the thing run normally???
Maybe like you said it's sat too long.
The idle is too high so the mech advance is not allowing the timing to be checked.
Could be as easy as fresh gas , a complete tune-up , possibly a carb rebuild.
Just got the wife's '74 Charger smogged yesterday, it flew right through the test.
But I always go over everything with a fine tooth comb first.
good luck

ps I agree Ca doesn't want clean running cars , they just want the old ones off the road:mad3:

I've been running her everywhere and Rich at K&H will help her out.:D 74 huh, I have a 69 Charger.:D

Originally posted by jdjanda


Brian,

Then please enlighten me. Every thing I have read, everyone I have talked to has said it is a no go. I want to replace my crappy carb with FI. The Holley kit does not a have a CARB cert (I think it is CARB), nor does the Howell kit. So what is the trick to replacing my carb with FI. I also get slack for not having an Air Pump, in my year Scout some did some did not have the air pump setup, depends on the factory it was built at. Do I have to take it to a Ref? It will pass smog now, did it Jan of last year. Also is it still a rolling 30 years, or did the law pass requiring all 73's and on to pass smog.

Joe

If you want to run aftermarket stuff, then it must be CARB(California Air Resources Board) certified, but, if its a factory part(doesn't have to be from your factory)then its already CARB certified. You will have to jump through some hoops the first time you get it smogged(refferee, and all that) but from there on out its just like before....take it anywhere you want.
And no, there is no 30 cut-off.....just the 73, and earlier(hell, they want to take that back!!!!!) So don't get your hopes up, you won't wake up one morning with a smog excempt rig:D .

If you have problems with your junk passing smog, all you gotta do is speak up, we live in the same town.....

Brian--

If you are anywhere around sacramento I know a few shop that will smog you rig for a $$ no matter how bad it is.The price is not that bad when you think about it.

So I took it to K&H Imports today, you'll see their little blue stickers on the back of just about every FJ60 and most 40s around LA and she passed within an hour. I went from 7.29 to .82 on the CO %. Rich said the guy that tested it before fawked up somehow because it almost passed when I drove it through the door.

sounds like you got it figured out, now you need to try and get the gross poluter stats removed

How do you go about doing that???

got to take it to a ref now :(
it will hurt you, some ref's are very picky, and then next year you will go again to a test only station, but after that is kind of disappers

ohh looking @ those reading i would say your Choke was still on!

I think the monkey at the first place pulled the choke on me. :mad3: The mechanic that I always got o has a connection at a test only place right up the street from him so it shouldn't be a problem any more. All legal as well.:D