I've got a TJ, LCG 44/60 blah blah. Right now i'm running 37x15 MTR's on 10" OMF beadlocks. I'm thinking of going to Krawlers. It's a DD but I live in Big Bear, so DD doesn't mean much here. I'd be lucky if I put 3000 miles on the Jeep a year. Only trips to Moab put miles on it.

I'm thinking of going to 35" Krawlers. Some of the reasons are the weight of these fawking things. A 35" Krawler is 76 lbs. A 37" MTR is only 65 lbs. I believe a 37"Krawler is around 95 lbs. A 37" Krawler with a 17" wheel is a fawking load to haul around.

Here's my questions. MTR's seem to run small, and Krawlers seem to be closer to real size. Has anybody measured the two tires to see if i'm going to lose that much height going from a 37" MTR to a 35" Krawler? The second question is,has anybody gone from MTR to Krawlers who can give me some feedback on the difference onoffroad?

Get a 60 front or moly shafts and ctms and the 37 krawlers.:flipoff2

Oh ya, search will answer all your questions.

Krawlers

I have Warn shafts/CTM. breaking is not the question. I just don't want to pull all that weight on the street.

My question was tire size. 35" Krawler compared to 37" MTR. Search got me nothing.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by 4x4 Pete
I have Warn shafts/CTM. breaking is not the question. I just don't want to pull all that weight on the street.

My question was tire size. 35" Krawler compared to 37" MTR. Search got me nothing.:flipoff2:

You suck at the internet.:flipoff2:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=129386&highlight=35+krawler%2A

Originally posted by 4x4 Pete
I've got a TJ, LCG 44/60 blah blah. Right now i'm running 37x15 MTR's on 10" OMF beadlocks. I'm thinking of going to Krawlers. It's a DD but I live in Big Bear, so DD doesn't mean much here. I'd be lucky if I put 3000 miles on the Jeep a year. Only trips to Moab put miles on it.

I'm thinking of going to 35" Krawlers. Some of the reasons are the weight of these fawking things. A 35" Krawler is 76 lbs. A 37" MTR is only 65 lbs. I believe a 37"Krawler is around 95 lbs. A 37" Krawler with a 17" wheel is a fawking load to haul around.

Here's my questions. MTR's seem to run small, and Krawlers seem to be closer to real size. Has anybody measured the two tires to see if i'm going to lose that much height going from a 37" MTR to a 35" Krawler? The second question is,has anybody gone from MTR to Krawlers who can give me some feedback on the difference onoffroad?

well around here, both tires work well, a buddy of mine had the 35 inch krawlers i had the 37 inch mtrs, i would say i enjoyed have mote clearance under the diffs then the shiney new rock cralwing tire

Ben

my 37 MTR measured 36.75 when they were new, so the comment of runs small is wrong imo. Swampers run small.

thought I saw a post a while back about some new mounted krawlers (35's) when measured under the weight of the YJ they were right around 34" give or take.

Why would you want to go smaller?

Get some 38.5 SX and call it a Happy New Year!!!!:flipoff2:

I don't really want to go smaller. I'm trying to get into some Krawlers without spending a fortune. I just bought the OMF beadlocks thinking i'd just stay with 37x15 MTR's. Since my buddies like to run the Hammers, i'm worried about the MTR's holding up. Going to 37" Krawlers means buying 17" beadlocks and having a wheel/tire combo that weighs 120 lbs. I live at 7500 ft, which already sucks the hp out of my engine.

I'm trying to get out of this the cheapest way possible. Sure I can just order some Walker beadlocks and 37" Krawlers, but fawk, that's a lot of money. I know i'll be happy on the hammers when i'm not slicing and dicing the MTR's but still. This shit is killing my bank account. What we're talking about here is 1" more of ground clearance. Is that worth all that extra money? Is it worth having to drag all that extra unsprung spinning weight? Decisions, decisions..:confused:

Mtrs run small :confused: 37's measure 36.5

Mine must have shrunk in the rain..:flipoff2:

Originally posted by 4x4 Pete
I don't really want to go smaller. I'm trying to get into some Krawlers without spending a fortune. I just bought the OMF beadlocks thinking i'd just stay with 37x15 MTR's. Since my buddies like to run the Hammers, i'm worried about the MTR's holding up. Going to 37" Krawlers means buying 17" beadlocks and having a wheel/tire combo that weighs 120 lbs. I live at 7500 ft, which already sucks the hp out of my engine.

I'm trying to get out of this the cheapest way possible. Sure I can just order some Walker beadlocks and 37" Krawlers, but fawk, that's a lot of money. I know i'll be happy on the hammers when i'm not slicing and dicing the MTR's but still. This shit is killing my bank account. What we're talking about here is 1" more of ground clearance. Is that worth all that extra money? Is it worth having to drag all that extra unsprung spinning weight? Decisions, decisions..:confused:

i would stick with the mtrs trust me krawlers arent that great not that i wouldnt run a set but if i already had the mtrs i would stay with them, the krawlers just dont justify the amount that it would cost to get a equal tire

Ben

Originally posted by Pappa Smurf
Mtrs run small :confused: 37's measure 36.5

On the left, 37" labeled MTR's shaved to 36" diameter ... off of Amy Bulloch's Legends Class "She-J".
On the right, 35" Krawlers.
Oh, and BTW, Krawlers are THE shit! ... hands down.

http://www.monsterslayer.com/jeep/TJCrawler/FrontFinalMock.jpg

On my CJ, I went from 35" MTR's to 35" Krawlers and it made all the difference in the world on our local slick rock.

I just got a set of used 37 X 17 Krawlers, plenty of tread left on them, me and the peeps I’ve been wheeling with are not that impressed with them.
When I was going up El Hill at Los Coyotes I had all four of them spinning at 8 P.S.I. and nothing was holding me back except the Krawlers wouldn’t grab, same line a guy with 35 X 15 MTR’s walked right up.
Here's where I got stopped because of the Krawlers wouldn't grab.
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DSCN5671.jpg
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DCP_0771.jpg
Here's the guy with 35" MTR's
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DSCN5681.jpg
Here's another little obstackle at Los Coyotes that the Krawlers didn't make any easier @ 10 PSI, this was an obstickle that settled it for me and others that the Krawlers arent all there made out to be.

http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-dec03/DSCN5964.jpg
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-dec03/DSCN5961.jpg
I pretty much decided after this one I'll give'em another chance on the Hammerz and see how they perform before I put them up for sale.

Good feedback guys. I'm tempted to keep the MTR's now.

My 37in MT/R's measure 35.8 in brand new. Go figure??:confused:

You were running Krawlers on beadlocks at 8-10 psi:confused: are you new??? thats the pressure you run on normal beaded rims. Krawlers were designed to be run with less than 5-6 psi more like 3-4psi you need because of the stronger side wall. they're also designed to be groved to the owners specs and driving habits.

Originally posted by tealj2
You were running Krawlers on beadlocks at 8-10 psi:confused: are you new??? thats the pressure you run on normal beaded rims. Krawlers were designed to be run with less than 5-6 psi more like 3-4psi you need because of the stronger side wall. they're also designed to be groved to the owners specs and driving habits.
Thanx, I didn’t get the instruction manual with them.
It’s funny you recommend a PSI, I posted a few weeks ago asking what people thought of there Krawlers and what PSI they were running them at and no one revealed what PSI they seem to be running them at, just that they were bitchin in snow, mud or rocks.

Originally posted by tonto
I just got a set of used 37 X 17 Krawlers, plenty of tread left on them, me and the peeps I’ve been wheeling with are not that impressed with them.

A lot of top competitors in the major rockcrawling series would disagree with you and your peeps. :flipoff2:

Are they worth ditching a brand new set of wheels and tires for---probably not. If you decide to sell yours PM me I need some spares.

I think you're blow'in smoke, Tonto.
And your opinion appears to be as skewed as the phoney camera angle in that pic of yours ...
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DCP_0771.jpg
... unless tress grow side ways.:D
If you're spinning tires on that puney little hill you've got more problems than a good tire will help. Got lockers?
Plus, at 10 PSI you'd have a lot more buldge in those Krawlers than those pics are showing. Looks like your running over 15 PSI to me.
BTW: According to BFG, some recent on-the-rocks tests by sponsored competitors found that around 8-10 PSI is a good range for thier Krawlers. Seems they need a little more air than the thinner walled MTR's to keep a good footprint down due to the thicker side walls.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jaffer
I think you're blow'in smoke, Tonto.
And your opinion appears to be as skewed as the phoney camera angle in that pic of yours ...
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DCP_0771.jpg
... unless tress grow side ways.:D
If you're spinning tires on that puney little hill you've got more problems than a good tire will help. Got lockers?
Plus, at 10 PSI you'd have a lot more buldge in those Krawlers than those pics are showing. Looks like your running over 15 PSI to me.
BTW: According to BFG, some recent on-the-rocks tests by sponsored competitors found that around 8-10 PSI is a good range for thier Krawlers. Seems they need a little more air than the thinner walled MTR's to keep a good footprint down due to the thicker side walls. [/QUOTE

how would you know, i think your claims are a little one sided, i ran the mtrs at 9 psi front and 7psi rear and they kicked ass, pro-comps or krawlers couldnt compare, plus alot of it has to do with the area, not all rocks are the same

Ben

Actualy if you read my post I'm at 8 PSI in the pic, and if you look at the two pic's there the same spot, here's a re-post of the over all, and yes Manzanita does grow at funky angles.
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DSCN5671.jpg

Originally posted by Jaffer
I think you're blow'in smoke, Tonto.
And your opinion appears to be as skewed as the phoney camera angle in that pic of yours ...
http://www.dustyland.net/scbloscoyotes-nov03/DCP_0771.jpg
... unless tress grow side ways.:D
If you're spinning tires on that puney little hill you've got more problems than a good tire will help. Got lockers?
Plus, at 10 PSI you'd have a lot more buldge in those Krawlers than those pics are showing. Looks like your running over 15 PSI to me.
BTW: According to BFG, some recent on-the-rocks tests by sponsored competitors found that around 8-10 PSI is a good range for thier Krawlers. Seems they need a little more air than the thinner walled MTR's to keep a good footprint down due to the thicker side walls.
You mean like smoke signals.
I guess I have lockers, I have these heavy chunks of metal in my front & rear diffs made by a company called Detroit locker.
Doesn't less air make a bigger foot print?

Though my noob status doesn't carry much weight, I'll vouch for Tonto's photo. Its not a phony angle. Manzanitas are bushes, not trees, and they grow out from whatever terrain they're on, which isn't always straight up. I've been on several runs with Tonto and his Krawlers and I agree, my 35" BFGs at 13 lbs. hook up way better than his 47" Krawlers at less than 10 lbs. Not sure why that is since I've always heard that Krawlers are the schizen. Then again, I don't run a tube buggy so what do I know.

if any of you guys want some 40's mtr's we have a couple up here in SD. We cant stand them. Also go to a comp and listen to the tires. You can here the mtr's doing the goodyear Cherp. And not climbing a damn thing. I have seen guys at comps running mtr's and get so mad they went and bought a set of used Krawlers and ran them and slapped a BFG sticker right over there goodyear sticker. Mtr's are good tires for you tow rig or you parking lot wheeler.

Also dusty what are these 47' Krawlers you speak of do they grow sideways out of the ground to?

Walker Evans does ok on MTR's.

I thought that the Krawlers that the sponsored competition guys use are a different compound to the regular street version???

Sam

Originally posted by 4x4 Pete

I'm trying to get out of this the cheapest way possible.

Then keep what you have! :rasta: It sounds like you PERSONALLY haven't had any problem with the MT/Rs, so why ditch them?


Originally posted by Jaffer
BTW: According to BFG, some recent on-the-rocks tests by sponsored competitors found that around 8-10 PSI is a good range for thier Krawlers. Seems they need a little more air than the thinner walled MTR's to keep a good footprint down due to the thicker side walls.

That makes no sense to me. Why would you need to run MORE air to "keep a good footprint" with a tire that has a thicker sidewall?

Mike Shaeffer often runs 37" BFG MT's because he thinks they hook up better than the Krawlers, on certain terrain.

it's only a fawkin tire......it won't make you a super comp driver, able to leap tall boulders in 2 high:D you sound like you are being sucked down the road of "I have to have the tires the comp guys run".....comp guys are not winning based on only there tire:D

Originally posted by SeaBass44
it's only a fawkin tire......it won't make you a super comp driver, able to leap tall boulders in 2 high:D you sound like you are being sucked down the road of "I have to have the tires the comp guys run".....comp guys are not winning based on only there tire:D

Finally, someone that calls it the way it is.... And for anyone thats saying MTR's won't work in the hammers needs to learn how to drive. Just stick with what you've got, and quit following the crowd and trying to be cool because all the comp guys do it.
Scott

Originally posted by crewchief
Also dusty what are these 47' Krawlers you speak of do they grow sideways out of the ground to?

Yeah I fucked up. 37" I meant to say. And I also didn't clarify that my BFG's that I was comparing to Tonto's Krawlers are MTs. Musta been the new years hangover.

Dusty

Dusty, quit following me. I'm starting to get paranoid !!! :flipoff2:

yea tires arnt important its only your contact patch thats putting the traction to the ground.Tire manufacturs burn there tires after races indy f1 so no one can copy there tires.

Originally posted by whthilux
yea tires arnt important its only your contact patch thats putting the traction to the ground.Tire manufacturs burn there tires after races indy f1 so no one can copy there tires.

yup it's all tires, don't need to have lockers, gears, crawler boxs or flex, hell you don't even need to know how to drive, just buy the right tires.:rolleyes:
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now did my post sound as much like nonsence as yours?;)

Originally posted by Bronken
Dusty, quit following me. I'm starting to get paranoid !!! :flipoff2:

Hey you're following ME!! I've got 18 posts to your measly 5, NOOB! :flipoff2: :D

I decided to stay with the MTR's asshats, I wasn't going to Krawlers to follow the crowd, or use what the competition uses. I could give a fawk what anybody else uses. I was going to do it, because the Krawler is a tougher tire with a 4 ply sidewall. I've cut MTR's before, and was trying to avoid doing it again.

Here's something for the smartasses..:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Dirty Harry
That makes no sense to me. Why would you need to run MORE air to "keep a good footprint" with a tire that has a thicker sidewall?

The MTR has about 10 PSI and the BFG is 'shop roll' loaded with 35 PSI yet has a flatter cross section.
I suspect that the heavier walled Krawler needs a little more air to keep it's footprint from cupping.

I ran MTR for a year before switching to Krawlers and I don't regret the change. Don't get me wrong, MTR is a great tire, but it doesn’t hold a candle to te krawler.

Originally posted by Carlos Garza A.
I ran MTR for a year before switching to Krawlers and I don't regret the change. Don't get me wrong, MTR is a great tire, but it doesn’t hold a candle to te krawler.

WOW:eek:
You revived this post for that?:shaking:

I always drive my rig to the trails, and never had a scare. Goodyear would have to pay me to go back to the MTR's.

Originally posted by B.A.R.K


WOW:eek:
You revived this post for that?:shaking:

YEP:D :flipoff2:

if ya wanted to show off your lil jeep, just say so:rolleyes: cause your pics ad nothing to your statement:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Strange Rover
I thought that the Krawlers that the sponsored competition guys use are a different compound to the regular street version???

Sam

Yup the red labels got the reputation started and now everyone goes out and gets the blue street versions and thinks they should be able to do what a comp buggy on red labels does.

Originally posted by DetR6oit


Yup the red labels got the reputation started and now everyone goes out and gets the blue street versions and thinks they should be able to do what a comp buggy on red labels does.

:shaking: "blue street version"??????

Do you mean

Blue=DOT

Red=Comp.

???????

Originally posted by Rev. Parsley


:shaking: "blue street version"??????

Do you mean

Blue=DOT

Red=Comp.

???????


huh? Blues are the harder compund for those who run their rig on the street or are worried about wear. Reds are softer and would wear a lot faster if street driven. I believe both are DOT approved now, though I am not sure, never looked at anyones reds to see if they are dot stamped or not besides the 39.5s and I am pretty sure there are no DOT approved 39.5s right now though.

This brings up a good point. How do you tell the difference with 37s by looking at them? Just look for the 'Not for Highway Use'?

DetR6oit,
Correction: BFG makes a 39" krawler, and GoodYEAR makes a 39.5.

squirriljeep,
"Just look for the 'Not for Highway Use'?"
That would be a pretty good clue. BTW, it's only on one side of the tire. Don't want the fans to know......ok, fan. :flipoff2:

Did Goodyear make competition MT/Rs? because I have some that say not for highyway use, and they feel like my red label Krawlers. :confused:

I have beat and bashed on my 40" MTRs for 8 months now without a sidewall cut.

I REALLY like the way they hook up in all terrain but muddy rocks.

That said, I would ditch them in a heartbeat for some Krawlers because the East Coast guys like them as well as Swampers and the West Coast guys like them better than anything.

From what I have read and from the guys I have spoken to, the Krawler is the best all-around tire on the market, hands down.

MT/Rs get my vote