I searched :flipoff2:.

I am installing front 7-leaf Wagoneer springs on the front of my YJ for their decent flexation, strength (I'll have a V8), and wheelbase extension. They'll be SOA.

I understand that the front leaf pack will also fit the rear of my YJ, which I'd like to try. However, this will extend the wheelbase even further. I'm concerned that my rear tires won't line up properly under the fender flare... and I really don't want my tire offset to the point of looking stupid. My Sawzall isn't an option... :).

Is this really an issue for me to worry about? Can I use a longer shackle in the rear to compensate for the increase in wheelbase?

my guess is this: you will prolly be ripped a new one for posting such a question.

A longer shackle isn't going to prevent the rear axle from moving back 2". If you don't want to cut it why bother. On compression you may stuff whatever size tire you have into the flare/wheel well. If you want to mask it put a TJ flare on it and drill new holes in the flare to move it back. Did you also take into account the possibility of your rear axle making contact with the fuel tank?

I'd like to use Waggy springs to keep it standardized the whole way around. It should also promote a level Jeep, since SOA in the front should be equal to SOA in the back (aside from minor variances between axle tube diameters).

I didn't think of TJ flares, but that's a possibility. They're a little longer so I could design it such that the wheel still falls directly below the wheelwell/flare.

I don't think the fuel tank will cause any problems... There should be enough lift for it to clear.

If your worried about something so stupid buy a honda

Originally posted by iroc86
I'd like to use Waggy springs to keep it standardized the whole way around. It should also promote a level Jeep, since SOA in the front should be equal to SOA in the back (aside from minor variances between axle tube diameters).

I didn't think of TJ flares, but that's a possibility. They're a little longer so I could design it such that the wheel still falls directly below the wheelwell/flare.

I don't think the fuel tank will cause any problems... There should be enough lift for it to clear.

You will want to watch the tank. And make a traction bar. You wont have to worry about the opening.

Mine is offcenter, as the photo shows, but the tire stuffs perfectly into the opening. Not the same spring but it is the same offset. ~2.5" back.
http://gripguru.com/photo/p510.jpg

Originally posted by iroc86
My Sawzall isn't an option... :).



:rainbow:

Why bother with a V8 SOA Jeep if you are afraid to cut a little metal? :flipoff2:

This is way too difficult of a job for you :flipoff2: . Stick to the all bolt on lift kits and go back to JU.

Thanks, guys. I appreciate the help. gripguru, the alignment of your Jeep's rear tire looks pretty good; I probably don't have anything to worry about (aside from tank, traction bar, etc., which I'll further examine).

I have a notorious habit of obsessing over doing things right. I could cut the body, modify fender flares, or ditch the flares altogether. That would certainly get the job done.

Or, I could spend some extra time, calculate how the pieces will fit together, ask questions, and transparently solve the problem -- without changing the appearance of my Jeep.

I've got all the time in the world -- why do only half the job? Not everybody wants a hacked up Jeep, or wants to solve a problem the way everybody else does.

I apologize for being such an engineer :flipoff2:.

FWIW you will still have to cut sheet metal with TJ flares.

I just put 7 leaf waggys on the front and rear. PLus i have my perches drilled 1" off set. My diff nails my gas tank, not the cover the top of the diff itself. I have to relocate the tank, no big deal.

My wheelbased ended up at 100.5" and even with the rear cut for TJ flares i still need to hack them out more.

Just a note for future searches, the HD 7 leaf waggy front springs on the front and rear lowered my YJ about 2" compared the RE2.5" YJ lift springs i was running. My rocker height went from 31" to 29".

Originally posted by YJ4RoX
Just a note for future searches, the HD 7 leaf waggy front springs on the front and rear lowered my YJ about 2" compared the RE2.5" YJ lift springs i was running. My rocker height went from 31" to 29".

Were they brand new Waggy springs or from the junkyard? I read somewhere that the Waggy springs equated to a ~2" YJ lift spring. That's weird.

Not weird, they are longer than yj springs!

Originally posted by 1tonyj
Not weird, they are longer than yj springs!

Oops. I meant that it's weird that he lost lift, since the Waggy springs are supposed to be equal (roughly) to a 2" YJ lift spring.

Like he said, they are longer and will increase the shackle angle thus lowering it a little.
I had to run a traction bar front and rear. I did have tank issues during the first round of upgrades. I raised the tank 2" into the body lift. I was running TJ flares front and rear and did cut some sheet metal off. The larger the tires are that you run the more likely it will rub the sheet metal of the wheel wells if you don't trim it. Depending on your axle setup you may have to watch the brake lines/e-brake cables as well. I hope you already have a SYE or some other fixed t-case. Make sure you have enough slip on your driveshafts. Longer shackles will help flex more and longer shocks are probably necessary.

The springs are merely part of my Jeep's "revival." I'm installing a Chevy 350, SM465, and NP205, along with the SOA conversion with new springs and axles (Dana 44 front, Ford 8.8 rear).

Many of the additional parts, such as brake lines and driveshafts, will have to be determined once the majority of the work is done. It'll be nice in that I'll be able to build these springs into the design of the entire vehicle.

Again, I appreciate the help.

Nobody mentioned that you can install the springs "backwards" or whatever you want to call it, so that you dont gain any wheelbase. The YJ springs are 22.5" on either side of the center pin. The waggy fronts are 22.5" and 24.5". So if you dont want the extra wheelbase, just attach the end of the short side to the fixed mount. Same on front. Using waggy springs on a YJ, you can have an additional 0", 2" or 4" depending on which way you bolt in your springs.

Originally posted by iroc86


Were they brand new Waggy springs or from the junkyard? I read somewhere that the Waggy springs equated to a ~2" YJ lift spring. That's weird.

The rear ones are off a 91 low mileage and have pllenty of arch in them.

The fronts are flatter but still have a little arch. My shanckles angles did change, which i knew would happen.

Rear shackles went from a 65ish degree to about 50, fronts went from about 70* to closer to 45*. Also my rear YJ springs only had about 800 miles on them but the fronts had about 30k and were well broke in.

I was hoping that the waggy's would lower it. I was always told that they were comparable to a 1.5" lift spring on a YJ. I figured that with the better shackle angle would lower my jeep a couple of inches. Which is what i was shooting for, better drive line angles so i can run a flat belly pan, hack the body and get some 38's.

What the hell is flexation?:confused:

Originally posted by weld it!
What the hell is flexation?:confused:

Sometimes it's easier to make up a word than use one that already exists :D. "Normalcy" wasn't a real word until President Warren G. Harding invented it in the 1940s. Think of "flexation" as a vehicle's suspension's ability to flex.

Interesting thoughts regarding flipping the springs. That might be the ticket for me.

If you use the Waggys with the short side towards the front, you will have major rubbing issues. Here is a pic of mine before the fender trimmings. Spring mounts in the stock location.

http://www.montypics.com/pic.php?url=/SewerBoss/2003-05-06/1052220599_P5050001.jpg

Now, quit being :rainbow: and cut your fenders!

Im getting ready to do the same mod. As far as gas tank. I didnt think mine would hit, but it sounds like it will. what/ how did people raise it, how high does it need, w/ out going fuel cell in the back. I would like to keep the rear of my jeep open for my 2 dogs to have room.

Also as far as stock replacement prings, anyone have a part #?

Opinions on waggy leafs compaired to XJ leafs....

Ok, heres a newbie question, any waggy springs or is there a particular year I should use.
Robert

Originally posted by 5150xj
Ok, heres a newbie question, any waggy springs or is there a particular year I should use.
Robert

There's always the http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/top_search.gif (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?) :idea:

the post is already up, what is a search good for now. Thanks for the help

Originally posted by iroc86
Thanks, guys. I appreciate the help. gripguru, the alignment of your Jeep's rear tire looks pretty good; I probably don't have anything to worry about (aside from tank, traction bar, etc., which I'll further examine).

I have a notorious habit of obsessing over doing things right. I could cut the body, modify fender flares, or ditch the flares altogether. That would certainly get the job done.

Or, I could spend some extra time, calculate how the pieces will fit together, ask questions, and transparently solve the problem -- without changing the appearance of my Jeep.

I've got all the time in the world -- why do only half the job? Not everybody wants a hacked up Jeep, or wants to solve a problem the way everybody else does.

I apologize for being such an engineer :flipoff2:.
Your not an engineer! An engineer is someone who finds the most efficient way (all things considered money, time etc.) to solve a problem or build something. Doing this jeep build up yet not wanting to touch your fenders is like trying to build a road without bulldozing a few flowers. Its going to happen, don't put a big detour in the road to a better jeep just to save a couple of fenders. Grow some balls, you can chop fenders and still make them look good. If you want a stock jeep look, stick with a stock jeep. Engineers design for functionality and if it can look good at the same time thats good but if not too bad. Design for function first then worry about looks. Anyways my .02. Are you sure your not an INTERIOR DESIGNER or maybe a LANDSCAPER.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by flexjeep

Your not an engineer! An engineer is someone who finds the most efficient way (all things considered money, time etc.) to solve a problem or build something. Doing this jeep build up yet not wanting to touch your fenders is like trying to build a road without bulldozing a few flowers. Its going to happen, don't put a big detour in the road to a better jeep just to save a couple of fenders. Grow some balls, you can chop fenders and still make them look good. If you want a stock jeep look, stick with a stock jeep. Engineers design for functionality and if it can look good at the same time thats good but if not too bad. Design for function first then worry about looks. Anyways my .02. Are you sure your not an INTERIOR DESIGNER or maybe a LANDSCAPER.:flipoff2:

Can't please everyone, I guess :flipoff2:.

You can run a fuel cell that will fit behind your seat . I just moved the rear of my jeep back, and had a fuel cell put in. It is a fuel cell for a boat, it is 12 gallons, And it fits very well. I think mine cost 120 dollars, plus fuel pump 80 dollars.

Originally posted by NastyNate
If you use the Waggys with the short side towards the front, you will have major rubbing issues. Here is a pic of mine before the fender trimmings. Spring mounts in the stock location.
http://www.montypics.com/pic.php?url=/SewerBoss/2003-05-06/1052220599_P5050001.jpg
Now, quit being :rainbow: and cut your fenders!

Do you have pics after triming, (flares??)?

No flares for me.
http://www.montypics.com/pic.php?url=/SewerBoss/2003-12-27/1072561987_DSC00343.jpg

NastyNate, is that a road-driven vehicle?

You'd get pulled over in a second where I live. I already got a ticket for running 33x12.50's with stock flares. Tires sticking out three inches from the body equates to a $104 fine :rolleyes:.

It's still not complete yet, but yeah, I will drive it on the street some. My old CJ had 16/38.5x15 TSL's on it. They stuck out about 14" from the body. Never even had a cop look at me twice around here. Your town sucks:flipoff2:

Good old southern Indiana, land of the big blocks, 44's, straight pipes, etc. Our cops have more important things to do other than pulling people over for tires and lifts....like busting meth labs every week.

Originally posted by NastyNate
No flares for me.

Really:massey:
Are those news waggys or did you get those off of some old iron that has sagged a bit.

Here is a profile pic of mine with the waggy's. They are used waggys and the rear used to have TJ flares on it, thats why the wheel wells are ghetto chopped, the flares covered it.

Its geting cut out more next weekend.

lookin' good.:beer:

Originally posted by B.A.R.K


Really:massey:
Are those news waggys or did you get those off of some old iron that has sagged a bit.

New J.C. Whitney units on all 4 corners.