Here's what I was thinking of getting in the next few month's...
1. Stage III $G springs. Is anyone running these at the moment that could tell me whether or not they're worth a crap?
2. Fox Shocks. I've heard they are better than rancho's but i'd like some other opinions on that.
3. Rovertym 2" spacers. Would these even fit with the $G springs?
4. $G 3-link system. What all does that include?
5. Tom Wood's drive shaft. I'm pretty set on that, I've searched quit and bit and those are the best drive shafts i've found.
i'm sure i'm missing some components so please help me fill in the blanks some.

-Brian

Brian,

A. What truck/type of wheeling you are into?
B. What size tyre you wanna fit?
C. Why are you going with "old school" useless stuff?...with that amount of investment, you can go with a MUCH better setup that can give you far better stuff (a total RTE kit, mix-n-match OME, hell, even coil-overs!)

Yo Billster....

You gonna give 'ol Brian shiat for using the $G word ?

:flipoff2:

keith
:usa:

1. I have a disco I/extreme wheeling
2. When it's said and done i want 35" Boggers
3. The reason i wanted to go with that setup was to retain as much of the "street wirthiness" as possible.

If you were going to put that much cash into how would you do it? thanx for the info.

-Brian

At your investment level and your want to push your truck you might be happier with a custom fab job and trowing in some d-60's or even Toy axles. I do not know what you have done or are planning to do to keep your drive train in one piece with 35in boggers. If you want to keep stockish ride, DiscoDino is right on the money with the RTE kit. Probably make you happier in the long run. Good luck!

P.S. "street wirthiness" and Boggers are oil and water, but that is another discussion! ;)

Well.....

Disco 1 + extreme wheeling = not really practical....... Too much rear overhang. Too much body hanging out, but comfy as hell....

If it were me fitting 35s to a Disco 1, I'd go with a 2" spring lift with longer travel and a 2" body lift. You'll need to spend a fortune on the axles to make them acceptable. I won't get started on that subject...

On the body side, full roll cage, bobtail, diff guards, sill sliders, real bumpers front and rear.

>>On the body side, full roll cage, bobtail, diff guards, sill sliders, real bumpers front and rear.

. . . .for an excellent 6500lb rig - just perfect for an extreeeem trail truck :rolleyes:


if you want a piece of this extreeem wheeling stuff, just start in on a tube buggy and do it right the first time.

my .03 -

On the bogger issue i'm going to have a set of at's for street and then had the set of boggers just for the trail.

I've decided to say "f" the 3-link after talking to $G about it and hearing what you guys have to say i've decided to screw that idea.

I still like the idea of $G springs i thought that might last longer and hold their height better than RTE, but i haven't looked into the new RTE springs, anybody running those.

i'm planning on upgrading my axles to extreme duty axles from great basin. also i'm cutting the fenders and adding D.A.P fender flares.

As far as getting a buggy i'm not too into that yet. I'm really just trying to create a really bad ass disco.

I've was thinking of adding the SD roll cage but i wanted more protection on the outside. so i'm thinking of fabing something on the outside of the "a" bar, "b" bar, around the rear door, and around the back.

As far as the bumpers go i'm getting $G front and rear. The diff. guards are also coming from $G and i'm getting specially cut slidders to fit the fender flares.

On the subject of body lifts...i thought about that but decided against it for one main reason http://www.discoweb.org/blakeluse/Rover2.JPG

Originally posted by Bluewater
[B]I'm really just trying to create a really bad ass disco.

I have seen many built-up disco's, some more capable than others.

I am not sure I've seen a 'really bad ass disco' yet.

I've seen a few 'really bad' disco's though. IMO 35's and rover axles are going to give you nothing but year's of frustration and a very thin wallet. I don't care what you do to them.

Does anyone have an .mp3 or .wav file of a CV joint breaking?

:eek:

what do you want then? I poseur rig that looks good on simple trails, or a true, bona-fide bad-ass trail rig? Do you want to pose for the camera and your GF, losing a lot of dinero in the process, or do you want to drive? Have you spotted where and what the hardcore rigs in your area look like? They're fawked up! prepare to lose every panel on your Disco if you really want to start driving hardcore.

there are trail trucks, and then there are buggy/truggy's. a lot of people spend waaaaaaaay more money than they should have to figure out the differences. i think this goes for any full bodied rig.

as for the bumpers, sliders, endless "rockgaurd" type bolt-ons - you're just weighing down the rig and wreaking havoc on the axles. there's a reason the toy guys can run 36's and relatively stock D60 axles - they weigh 1500-2000 lbs less!

and let's talk about wheel travel. why does it seem to work for buggy's, and not so much for a fullsize rig? because the COG is so much lower in a buggy. the buggy chassis only serves to hold a motor, a seat, steering wheel, and connect the front and rear axle together to let them operate at an average of 60* angles on the horizontal plane. you're not going to accomplish that range of movement on a fullsize rig and be able to fully utilize it in the rocks. you may dial in some sexy downtravel, but your'e going to roll it with any kind of true rockcrawling terrain. And then after you do, you'll be wanting to tube the frame and ditch the body, because it will be fawked after one roll. and after that, you'll just want a buggy.

That's why I say save yourself the headache - read up on the other forums. Buy an adequate towrig (old scout 3/4 ton trucks work great and are cheap), a prebuilt buggy chassis, and then part out what you can from a wrecked D1/RRC onto it with some beefier axles. You'll spend a lot less money, and be a lot happier with the result it you really want to get it awn.

I myself am happy shooting the shit for 60% of the time and marveling at the scenery. i decided early on that I didn't need to bolt on all that crap to drive through the fawking woods, and I don't have any illusions of following SNORT through the 10% of the trails up here that are really hardcore

fwiw -

No doubt a buggy is going to be way more capeable than a full bodied rig, but, maybe Bluewater just LOVES Discoverys. You are going to be limited by weight, tire size, axle beef and body, but people can build anything out of anything and I really don't want you to get too discouraged, I mean this is a rover forum ;) I have seen some full bodied rigs do things that amazed me. It all depends on what you mean by extreme. People have different ideas. You can build that into a truck to handle medium to medium-difficult trails but I would very much recomend that you look into a full axle replacement. By the time you fully fill those things with GBR you will have spent enough to replace the whole thing and stick in a d60 or 9in. That way you could pick your own suspension if you wanted to. Good luck

Brian is really a true, huge posuer! He just wants to look cool...:flipoff2: :p

thanks for the info guys i'm going to give this some more thought before i dump the cash into it. And i'd rather drive than pose for the camera...i don't like being in pictures :) . I'm not really worried about messing up the panels or the dings and dents.

and for gumarcel you should talk....how are the 30" radial rovers or are they 29"? Go back to discoweb, only a hundred or more psts and you'll have a thousand and be no better off than you started :flipoff2: :barf:

p.s.love you too marcel;)

-Brian

Hey, I put my money is other things ho, and I am not spending any more money, got the 90 coming. SO HA!

Originally posted by Bluewater
1. I have a disco I/extreme wheeling
2. When it's said and done i want 35" Boggers
3. The reason i wanted to go with that setup was to retain as much of the "street wirthiness" as possible.

If you were going to put that much cash into how would you do it? thanx for the info.

-Brian

You said "Bogger" and street worthiness in the same sentance.

Hehehe....

i'm not planning on using the boggers on the street as i said above i would haver a different set for street. Give me some credit...:rolleyes:

they'll be that much worse offroad . . . on rover axles. do you realize how much a 35" bogger weighs? :eek:

Originally posted by Bluewater
i'm not planning on using the boggers on the street as i said above i would haver a different set for street. Give me some credit...:rolleyes:

ok, so lets talk about cog dynamics with smaller/lighter tires than originally designed with.....


seriously, I have run more lift than most, have a LOT cut off my truck, VERY minimal sized bumpers (had to clearance my tail gate to fit when down) yadda yadda, and I don't consider mine hardcore, and I probably have the most serious rangie next to LWG's and Drew's. I could fit 36's with ease, but don't.

These vehicles are NOT designed to be hardcore. They are TOO big. D-90's are different. True I have gone where buggies have tread, but not regularly.

PS
My mtr's and wheels way 80 pounds in a 33.25x12.00.

i guess i need to be more clear about what i mean by hardcore...i mean hardcore for a rover.http://www.rovertym.com/photos/cre/IMG027.JPG
I'm not talking about the trail just the truck in genral
And i know i would need new axles thats why i would be purchasing GBR XD's

Originally posted by Bluewater
i guess i need to be more clear about what i mean by hardcore...i mean hardcore for a rover.http://www.rovertym.com/photos/cre/IMG027.JPG
I'm not talking about the trail just the truck in genral
And i know i would need new axles thats why i would be purchasing GBR XD's




Dude,
My volvo would do that road. Why don't you look lurk for a while. That's all I am saying. Or use the fawking search button. Look at the helldorado thread..

j

I am putting 35s on my Disco next week. I will take some pictures of how much trimming i will have to do on my truck. I have a 4 inch lift, and that is as high as i will go. You know as well as i do that Discos are very top heavy, when you start to add more and more lift it just makes it worse. I say cut cut cut, get yourself some decent axle ( you will need them) also are you locked up? If so, those Boggers will probably even give the GB axles hell. I would suggest that you think it all through before you dive in. I know people who have spent tons of money on there trucks and still have shitty vehicles.:flipoff2:

Brad

yea i'd like to see the pics brad. and J i've already searched but thanx for the suggestion, also on the pic i even gave a disclaimer at the bottom that said i wasn't talking about the trail.

The "winning" formula for slapping 35s under a Disco has been a 2-3" suspension lift, a 2" body lift, and extended cut-out flares from down under.

After doing the above on my Disco (previously running 4-5" suspension lift only) we've been able to stuff 35" Simexs there that articulate exceptionally well. Also, my track has been widened by 8" (going for 10" when I get my 15x10 wheels)

Originally posted by DiscoDino
The "winning" formula for slapping 35s under a Disco has been a 2-3" suspension lift, a 2" body lift, and extended cut-out flares from down under.

Thats what I said 17 posts back. But he doesn't want to listen........ :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Your joking about those pictures right?????? That is two wheel drive territory.

And i know i would need new axles thats why i would be purchasing GBR XD's

If you are set on the 35in Boggers you are at the very edge of what the GBR can handle. You are about to drop a LOT of $$$ You need to think about just dropping something else under there.

Not gonna give you a hard time....but ask you a few questions that you really need to be honest with yourself in answering.

1. Has your Disco stranded you yet?.....ie have you not been able to conquer terrain because of vehicle short comings.
2. Have people in other rovers been able to manage to conquer that terrain?

Half the challenge of anything is pushing the limits of your ability.
In my opinion.....its more amazing to see a stock(ish) rover tackle moderate terrain than a more modified one. Its more of a challenge in the stock rig.....gives the driver a bit more of a thrill when they get by certain obstacles.
If you are going on trail rides and always need to be pulled out......there are one or two problems....its the truck or its the driving. I'm not saying you're a bad driver...never seen you drive.
Just see a lot of people putting a lot money into their vehicles, before improving their driving first(off-roading as well as club racing). Sometimes the money could be better spent on instruction.

I'm also a firm believer that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. Break an axle....upgrade it. Always replace with something beefier/better.

I have a rangie with Safari Gards stage III. I currently run 265/75 r 16's. At this piont, I'm more concerned with protecting the underside of the rover, than going up in tire size.....the thing is slow enough on road with out adding bigger tires.
The vehicle is more capable than I am.....by a long shot. Until I catch up....I can find plenty of challenging terrain.

I'd also suggest that for the amount of cash that you'd spend to put the rover on 35's .....you could buy a used Jeep...that would be every bit as capable and more...I'm amazed at how inexpensive it is to rebuild a Jeep. For example.....the cj-8, I got for free. Its cost me next to nothing, just elbow grease, to get the thing running and off-road ready.

Just some random thoughts....good luck with whatever you decide to do.

-Seth

good thoughts seth and that is a good point and something i need to greatly consider before jumping into something as expensive as the setup that i suggested. also as you suggested i have thought about getting a different vehicle to learn on and bang up so that i won't have to worry about losing my investments. but i rethought it and decided i'll just learn by trial and error. i have figured out the limits of my stock truck and don't push it beyond that point. but thats some very good advice.

-Brian

If you are set on the 35in Boggers you are at the very edge of what the GBR can handle. You are about to drop a LOT of $$$ You need to think about just dropping something else under there.

That is an understatement! 35" tires plus REAL wheeling equals need for axle swap.

Bluewater, not sure if anyone said this yet or not but, I assume that you don't like the body lift due to the 2 inch space between the bumper and grill? If that is the case you know you can order Rovertym front and rear bumpers that will compensate for the body lift so that every thing looks nice and normal and lines up with no gaps. Just some thing to think about.

i think wheeling a stock rig is the best thing since sliced bread. for the extra challenge, diminished expense, and entertainment value. you can't beat catching the j**pers so offgaurd. they're sitting there in TJ's on 36 SX's, warn everything etc. - and I come cruising down, playing things up a little and usually stop and make some :rainbow: comment like - "this is a pretty nice stretch of road here. ' didn't expect it to change so fast but, it was ok after getting past that one big rock and then the little climb. beautiful scenery in this part of the country. you been up here before? it's my first time up. I best be off to get back down in time. Have a nice drive up!"


here's one of the poor bastards right here :flipoff2:


http://www.speakeasy.org/~thefains/img/roverPics/cheerio.jpg

it's funny that you mentioned that SeaRover i did that over the weekend and it was quite fun, it would have been better if i would have gotten some pics i'll have to remember that for next weekend. The comments are great too i'll have too, i'll have to remember those.

Usually the comments I get are....we don't usually see folks driving those rigs OFF-road. Good to see some one actually use it .

Originally posted by SeaRover



here's one of the poor bastards right here :flipoff2:


Nice edit job....cant see the tow strap at all:flipoff2:


-Jeff


OK mines stock too.....

FWIW, I currently run 35's on my Rangie (which I'm keeping BTW:D ). I am seriously thinking about going back down to 33's. I think I am a good enough driver to make it over 99% of the obstacles I made it over with the 35's. Plus I doubt I'll ever break my drivetrain again with 33's, barring the crazy Aussie get behind the wheel (Read Norman Hall).

The plus side to this is that I will be able to remove the 2" spacers under my rear springs (Making Redrangie happy) and lower my COG. By lowering my COG I will become more confident in my truck in harry situations.


BTW: This thread screams Discoweb!!

Originally posted by lwg



BTW: This thread screams Discoweb!!

fawking ditto

j

yet we keep bumping it up with lameazz comments :flipoff2: (Woops! I did it again! . . Jeff? :flipoff2: )

despite the festivities- glad to hear you're keeping your rig lwg ;)

Originally posted by lwg
BTW: This thread screams Discoweb!!

He got banned from discoweb.

i don't think 35" tires, boggers, or some of the other things said in this thread are in the d-web vocab.

http://www.northwestparts.com/NWP_Springs/JSMITH2x7F.JPG
and i was only talking about running 35's:) but i've decided to go with 33's thanks for the help and info.

-Brian

Yeah, stick with the 33's. They'll give you enough grief as it is.