The time difference between KL and Paso Robales (sp?) is 15 hours, Timm apparently does not do e-mail (can't say that I blame him), and I have had no luck with faxes, so before I wait up until 3:00 am or something to call him, I was wondering if any of you know the following:

Do BCB still do the LT230 part-time conversion and if so, what's the basic mechanism ?

Any idea whether the NP435 to Series transfer case adapter that BCB do will work on a Dodge model NP435 ? I know Timm leans towards the SBC conversion - an engine that I have an unreasonable loathing for...

Cheers,

Originally posted by RPR
SBC conversion - an engine that I have an unreasonable loathing for...

Cheers,

WOW me too! Welcome to the club!

318 is a damn good motor. i don't understand why more people haven't looked to mopar for power, either. I know OS will yell for theh 360, but a two barrel carb or TBI on the 318 keeps the gas more reasonable, and is plenty of getup and go for a truck, IMO.

e-mail for BCB:

rovermatt *at* msn.com

Don't waste their time with junk e-mail!

Originally posted by RPR
The time difference between KL and Paso Robales (sp?) is 15 hours, Timm apparently does not do e-mail (can't say that I blame him), and I have had no luck with faxes, so before I wait up until 3:00 am or something to call him, I was wondering if any of you know the following:

Do BCB still do the LT230 part-time conversion and if so, what's the basic mechanism ?
Cheers,

Yes. He has said he would be making a batch of them soon. That was a while ago, but I need one and he said they would be available. Don't have an actual date.

The mechanism is, I believe, a big monster spool for the transfer case that replaces the diff with a solid chunk of steel. The disengagement/engagement system is through the stock lock/unlock system for the transfer case. MInd you, I've never actually seen one, but that's the idea I got when I inquired about it.

J-L

Maybe you should try the search function first...


Here, I did the 2.5 seconds of work for you...

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96893&highlight=center+diff

Originally posted by SeaRover
318 is a damn good motor. i don't understand why more people haven't looked to mopar for power, either. I know OS will yell for theh 360, but a two barrel carb or TBI on the 318 keeps the gas more reasonable, and is plenty of getup and go for a truck, IMO.

Yea I'm a more cubes the better builder. Here is the DD sheet for the engine I'm building now. It's going into a Cj-7

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/steves-360.jpg

BTW It's a AMC 360. The whole motor build is going to run $2600 and should be quite peppy in a little Cj.

tell me he's going w/ an auto :eek:

Originally posted by SeaRover
tell me he's going w/ an auto :eek:

Nope T-18:p

fawkin' a - i'm afraid i'd kill myself with that much juice in a swb rig, and a 4sp tranny! it's the hill-starts that spook me.

anybody got a price range on the kit/conversion?

Maybe you should try the search function first...

Mea culpa Rock - I do apologize, and thanks.

Thanks for the e-mail Michael.

Originally posted by Old Scout


Yea I'm a more cubes the better builder. Here is the DD sheet for the engine I'm building now. It's going into a Cj-7

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/steves-360.jpg

BTW It's a AMC 360. The whole motor build is going to run $2600 and should be quite peppy in a little Cj.

Careful OS. You are mirroring some of my earlier tastes in vehicles. My first hot rod was a 69' IH Scout. My second was a 76 CJ5 with AMC 360 with high rise manifold and Holley double pumper. I used to pop wheelies in front of the movie theater. And could change the rear U-joint rather fast. I traded the jeep off on my first Rover out in Denver.

Could be I am your evil twin brother.
JP

Originally posted by pendy


Careful OS. You are mirroring some of my earlier tastes in vehicles. My first hot rod was a 69' IH Scout. My second was a 76 CJ5 with AMC 360 with high rise manifold and Holley double pumper. I used to pop wheelies in front of the movie theater. And could change the rear U-joint rather fast. I traded the jeep off on my first Rover out in Denver.

Could be I am your evil twin brother.
JP

And for what you guys paid for parts for those engines other than SBCs, I was going much faster/quicker and spendidng nowhere near as many $.

Blah, blah, blah. Dollars to build SBC compared to anything? No comparison!

As for the wheelstands, mine were in front on the local McDonalds and in all four gears if the tires didn't break loose, gotta love multi-carbed V-8s and wrinkle-walls on the street.

But, in the summer of '81, I went through five trannies and three rear-ends:flipoff2: Just to get into the low nines!

Originally posted by PTSchram
But, in the summer of '81, I went through five trannies and three rear-ends:flipoff2: Just to get into the low nines!

Ahhhh yes...the 'Low Nines'. I remember reading about that partiular gay bar in my history books. Didn't know it was a tranny bar too.

Hmmm...the summer of '81 must have treated you well.

:flipoff2:

Originally posted by PTSchram


And for what you guys paid for parts for those engines other than SBCs, I was going much faster/quicker and spendidng nowhere near as many $.

Blah, blah, blah. Dollars to build SBC compared to anything? No comparison!

!

We are not going to have a SBC discussion in the rover forum! So STFU and take your chebby loving ass HERE (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=17)

Originally posted by pendy


Careful OS. You are mirroring some of my earlier tastes in vehicles. My first hot rod was a 69' IH Scout. My second was a 76 CJ5 with AMC 360 with high rise manifold and Holley double pumper. I used to pop wheelies in front of the movie theater. And could change the rear U-joint rather fast. I traded the jeep off on my first Rover out in Denver.

Could be I am your evil twin brother.
JP

Not my truck. it's for a buddy of mine. I'm just building the motor for him. I seem to have no shortage of work in this area. I built this Poncho Ram Air III for in bro-in-law's Goat. I have a Gray Marine flathead I-6 waiting for the AMC to finish.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/uploads/MOTOR.JPG

Picture removed ,because moderator found it offensive! :flipoff2:

Well I had a long chat with Timm today and he was hugely helpful.

He delivered some home truths about this type of conversion that I must say have me thinking I may well be out of my depth here in Malaysia. At a minimum he got me thinking that loathing of SBC or not, there's a good reason he has found it the easiest non Rover V8 conversion for Series Landies.

It certainly wants more planning on my side - and this after I thought I had it all worked out!:eek:

Too bad we can't remove the moderator if we find him offensive.

:D

:flipoff2:

So...you actually talked to the legendary Timm eh? Hehe, hope he didn't chew your ear off too much.

What 'truths' did he share that have you re-thinking your conversion? Just curious.

jeeeez . . . sbc conversions are like influenza. the only way to safegaurd yourself is to immunize with prior ownership :flipoff2:

Michael,

I would say that the most significant home truth Timm delivered was "the devil is in the detail".

While he agreed that the 318 was dimmensionally quite close to the SBC and therefore should work along the lines of the SBC conversions he has done, he highlighted a number of the key details from adjustments to the cooling system, to handbrake linkages, gearbox mounts, differences in the Dodge bellhousing etc. When he explained the lengths he has gone to in sorting out the SBC conversion - all in a remarkably non-patronizing way given my obviously mounting ignorance - it became clear that my planning so far pretty much amounts to amateur hour. The thing that worries me most is that I certainly don't have the fabrication experience for a number of things that need to be done and I doubt that anyone here that I have yet come across will.

I have to say it was extremely refreshing to call someone up and say "Hi - I want to buy stuff from you" and after spending a good amount of his time explaining things to me, have his parting words be "you may want to just enjoy your Rover the way it is now and if you ever get back to the States, we can sort it out easily", thereby probably foregoing a sale.

I take it many of you know Timm, but for those of you who don't, I can only say that he inspires absolute confidence that he knows exactly what he's talking about and that he is genuinely more interested in people having a good time off-roading than in selling them stuff. By the way, he is working on a very sexy replacement diff for the Rover axle that sounds like it will make FC101 stuff seem paltry by comparison!:eek:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RPR
[B]Michael,

it became clear that my planning so far pretty much amounts to amateur hour.

I would agree with this statement.

The thing that worries me most is that I certainly don't have the fabrication experience for a number of things that need to be done and I doubt that anyone here that I have yet come across will.

That is what I call a generalization. It seems very patronizing in nature. Remember you can to us asking for help. No need to insult us. I certainly do not feel inspired to help you after you said that. But good luck.


I have to say it was extremely refreshing to call someone up and say "Hi - I want to buy stuff from you" and after spending a good amount of his time explaining things to me, have his parting words be "you may want to just enjoy your Rover the way it is now and if you ever get back to the States, we can sort it out easily", thereby probably foregoing a sale.

I love Timm and Matt at BCB. But they are not foregoing a sale here. They are weeding out the rift raft. They do not keep parts in stock to sell people for conversions. They stand to make more money doing the project themselves. And they maintain control over their ideas. I think he ran you off.

I take it many of you know Timm, but for those of you who don't, I can only say that he inspires absolute confidence that he knows exactly what he's talking about and that he is genuinely more interested in people having a good time off-roading than in selling them stuff.


Timm is the guru of Land Rover Series conversion fabrication. And he has lots of experience here. His charisma can turn you into a cult member very easily as well. He is like the Marboro Man, but our cancer sticks are Land Rovers.

By the way, he is working on a very sexy replacement diff for the Rover axle that sounds like it will make FC101 stuff seem paltry by comparison!:eek:

Now I come to the point of my response of this post. BCB has been secretly letting the word out about this happening. But they are swearing everyone to secrecy about these diffs. I have not let the cat out of the bag, but cypersniffer has. Who else knows about these diffs? Fess up and share the details. I want to see this product in real life, not gossip around the campfire about it. Someone start a post if there is interest in discussing the super diff replacement from BCB.

Matt do not be upset.
Jim Pendleton

Pendy,

I think when the word 'here' was mentioned he was referring to Malaysia and not PBB in particular (at least that's what I read into it).

Don't mention the words 'cult' and 'Timm' in the same sentence...it gives me the creepy-shivers.

:flipoff2:

I have 'heard' of the super-diff too, but I don't know enough of the technical details to spill any beans. Usually when they swear me to secrecy I honor it, occasionally I'll be asked to share some information (like e-mail addys), but you won't hear much bean-spilling from me (unless you're talking about Warn, then I don't care).

:flipoff2: :D

You may be right about the "here" and the cyber sniffer. I will wait to see his response.

Maybe it is not a good idea to talk about it here. And I do not want anyone to spill any beans that would cause problems for their product. But what are we to do, they may never actually produce anything like this unless we pressure them to. Most of us would like to see Timm and Matt make it big. Then we could see them at more events and see more of thier influence. I do not know anyone trying to steal their ideas for profit. But years have passed by on other items like the under/overdrive that never happened. I see guys in the general section talking about this idea now and someone will beat Timm to it.

They need to network some investors and prepare to take a smaller cut of the pie. Think about it. A smaller cut of a larger pie is still better then trying to raise the dough for a pie. Besides they have a rash of other ideas that need to be produced as well. Time defies us all.

I want to be one of the first to break one of these super diffs. With 40 inch tires of course.

Jimm Pendleton
Looking for my own cult. Of teen girls. Send your unruly daughters to me for instruction. Must be 18 to apply.

Originally posted by pendy

[B]I love Timm and Matt at BCB. But they are not foregoing a sale here. They are weeding out the rift raft. They do not keep parts in stock to sell people for conversions. They stand to make more money doing the project themselves. And they maintain control over their ideas. I think he ran you off.
B]

Weeding out the riff raff? Come on, you must be bad tripping on some nasty shit if you're that paranoid.

The fact is a lot of people think an engine swap is like changing a tire, only you need a big crane. You drop it in and connect a wire and fire it up while all the bunny rabbits hold hands with the foxes and dance in a joyous celebration.

If I were selling parts and had a conscience (some will argue I don't, I work for a dealer) I'd probably advise against an engine swap for someone with limited skills (no offence to anyone or anything you litigous americans you). When people ask me about engine swaps I usually use that very same line - why not enjoy it as is? It roughly translates to - you are going to have a hard time with this and it'll probably never get completed. It's damn good advice - that no one seems to give out, ever.

Timm has sold some LT230 case kits to others - and he'd be best to keep doing so. The conversion isn't brain science, I mean, if he was trying to keep the circulation low, others would get pissed and blatantly copy his shit. I think he'll sell as much of them as he can, but maybe not to people who can't or won't use them. Thats what I call a backbone.

Instead of making BCB look like a pair of evil mad scientists, you're making them look like BAD evil mad scientists. And bad evil is not good.

My question is: Why reinvent the wheel? You cannot run a big enough tire on a Rover (non-buggy) to break 35 spline D60 stuff.

Anything custom made trying to use CV's will cost you big $$$$. I would be interested to see if Timm can come up with something that will be cheaper and stronger than a simple custom D60 front.

What is the point? Keepin' it LR maybe (kinda a pussy cope out if you ask me)?

Now the other stuff they make: super cool. I wouldn't mind having one of the 230 spools for sure (prolly just weld it up and slap in a bearing though). Over/Underdrive - simply foolish not to produce the thing. Customers would gladly pay out the arse for that one (they pay $3250 just for the underdrive from Ashcroft). Every single person on this board should call and encourage them to make the U/O drive.

I tend to agree with Pendy though. Make your own decisions, don't let others make them for you.

Billster

That is what I call a generalization. It seems very patronizing in nature. Remember you can to us asking for help. No need to insult us. I certainly do not feel inspired to help you after you said that. But good luck.

Pendy,

I don't know what I did to fawk you off, but I was referring to my lack of confidence in finding anyone in Malaysia that would have the skills to make up for those I lack.

Not sure how I pulled the "riff-raff" tag either. I can say that Timm was fully prepared to sell me what I thought I needed and offered to send me a detailed set of step by step instructions for how he does the SBC conversion. What he did was challenge me on whether I was up for it and whether I would be very happy if I messed it up and then had a big engined truck that didn't work as opposed to a somewhat under-powered but largely reliable one. I appreciate that.

As for the "super-diff", I wasn't sworn to secrecy and I apologise to Matt and Timm if I wasn't supposed to mention it, but I don't recall the details of of the thing anyway.

BTW, I'm still thinking about the conversion, but I need to get over my SBC loathing so that I can follow instructions:D

Maybe this will help soothe the loathing...that is if OS grants it.

:flipoff2:

http://www.tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/4420.jpg

RPR, don't let Pendy get your goat. He's got the best in mind for you weather it sounds like it or not. He's just really good at a very specialized form of American humor: Super-Sarcasm.

I think he misunderstood you about the 'here' thing, so let that slide off your back like so much water off of a duck.

QUACK.

:D

Yes RPR I am a Quack. I assumed the "nobody here" was intended for us. I will try to keep my hostility in check. But my sarcasm is instinct. I do not think this stuff is rocket science. But a person does need to realize their limitations. I say make a plan and go for it. Be sure YOU are going to be happy with the results because it is your rig.

Handjob you sure you want to tangle with me? I eat Canuks with my frosted flakes. Maybe you should read the entire post before you respond. I intended nothing negative in my comments about BCB. I personally run people off in this manner often. With the facts sugarcoated to ease the reality. If you show us some pictures of your 6bt conversion I might show you some respect.

I will be gone a few days. So try not to miss me.
Jim Pendleton

Originally posted by HandBuilt
...bad evil is not good.

LOL, I love it!

Kind of how "Two wrongs don't make a right?"

Hehe, trying not to pick a fight, just thought it was very funny.

:flipoff2:

RPR - because of your location - it may be cheaper and easier to import a kit from Australia to fit a 3.8l V6 Chev - as fitted to many many Holdens in Australia. You can also get a supercharged version. The Australian engine is the same as the one used in the US - except I think the US version is usually east west. Marks adaptors and a few other places make adaptors to a number of different auto and manual LR/RR boxes/T-cases. And you could pick up a good low mileage second hand engine for under $1000AUD ($700USD). It would be smaller/easier to fit in the engine bay - and plenty of power/torque.

Ben,

Thanks for the info. This is actually under consideration and as I recall, I think Marks even has a batch of the 3.8l motors in at the moment for sale. I found a place in Melbourne that are offering recon Chevy 350 turn-key motors but at AUD 5,000 before shipping, they're a bit pricey. I need to check on the costs from Marks.

Cheers,