Is anyone out there a smog ref. in Ca? Or can anyone tell me of their experience going to get a vehicle passed with a late model engine. IE 75 GMC truck with a 95 tpi 350 from a camaro.

should have no problems as long as you have all the equipment that motor came with !! like vin number vehicle speed sensor, cat,or cats all motor component's , matching computer from your year of donnor vehicle, canister ,air system that came on vehicle and ADL connector for scanner and check engine light with check engine label!

make sure your wiring does not look hacked they will ding you for this !

Adam,

gas tank too mak sure you donot bring alot of attention to it like fuel cell mounted in bed ( will not work) try using the late model tank from the car you need vent tube with restrictor pipe to be legal !


and you should be fine !!

I have smoged 3 vehicles through the REF

Adam,

This is in a friends truck. The computer is 90/92 the engine is 95 is this going to be a problem?

PM welndmn he was a smog guy for a while.

He's stuuck at work so he's probably dying to talk about crap like that:D

Adam got it all
and no that 92 computer will not fly with a 95 motor, they will tell you either get a reprogrm from GM or get a new computer

Remember that they are testing gas caps now too. If they leak, its a mechanical fail. They are also now looking for fuel leaks. This is also a mechanical failure.
This is in the enhaced area's of CA- where they use the dyno as part of the test. But most likely in the rest of CA to.
As far as the computers go, as long as everything is working right and the vehicle passes the tail pipe and the visual is good, they will not know a 92 from a 95 computer. E
early next year, 2002, they may. they will start to plug into the ALDL while running the test.

Originally posted by 40_Bones
This is in a friends truck. The computer is 90/92 the engine is 95 is this going to be a problem?

no the computer will not worky

he probably went to the older computer for VATS or trans Codes is this auto motor or manual motor ???
is the older truck a manual or auto truck ansewer these to !


Adam,:flipoff2:

I can tell you from experience that it depends on the mood of the tech... So, to make it easier on yourself, make the job easy for him!!! Make sure that everything is clean, and easily reached. If the rig looks like some backyard trailer park shit, then I am more likely to search for the corners that were cut. But, if it all looks clean, and funtional, then you might not look as hard:D .

Just the truth, no one wants to deal with someone else's hack job:flipoff2: .

Also, have every piece of documentation ready...ie CARB #'s, engine, and donor vehicle specs. If he has to ask for them, then you are wasting his time....

Don't piss off the smog guys......we can be your worst enemy:flipoff2: :D .

Brian--

One bit of wierdness that I ran into.
I put a 95 350TBI in my 77 CJ7 using a Howell harness.
The computer was from the doner truck.
The local Junior College does the ref stuff around here.
Their Snap-On stuff would not comunicate with my on-board stuff.
OTC brand scanner would work fine.
Howell said it was a common problem.
Took the OTC for the ref to use, and he OKed it.
Good luck
:usa:

If you go see the ref and make this 75 truck legal with 95 eng, will the truck be exempt in 2005? ( assuming that 30 year old exempt law stands) Or will they now want to smog it every other year because it is a 95? I've always been curious about that.

Did Howell say why "this is common" The snap on scanner is probably the most used in shops. We use one along with others, but no OTC

Originally posted by Johncm
Did Howell say why "this is common" The snap on scanner is probably the most used in shops. We use one along with others, but no OTC

yeah this is crap I had the same trouble with mine damn Snap on scanner would not communicate unless it is the correct year computer ! WTF is up with this ?? Now i have 95 computer and 95 motor And it can comunicate just fine !!!
all i did was changed the computer ???? same howell harness!

:confused: :confused:

Adam,

Originally posted by 440-fide Ramcharger
If you go see the ref and make this 75 truck legal with 95 eng, will the truck be exempt in 2005? ( assuming that 30 year old exempt law stands) Or will they now want to smog it every other year because it is a 95? I've always been curious about that.


basically you stand as a 95 now! I think ?? i will let you know I need to register my jeep here real quick !

Adam,

Originally posted by Johncm
Did Howell say why "this is common" The snap on scanner is probably the most used in shops. We use one along with others, but no OTC

John I spoke with Troy of Howell and he had no clue how to fix ??


I used the vin number that came with My computer from 95 chevy truck manual computer with proper trans code and Drac module . It finaly communicate's with the snap on scanner so it could be smogged


so when you get motor make sure you get Vin from that vehicle other wise it will not comunicate with the Snap on scanner


wierd EH????:confused: :confused:

has anyone been able to syke out the Snap on scanner???
without VIN???
Adam,

Spoke to my Snap on rep about this problem a couple of months ago.....

The "new" mt2500 scanner is suppossed to have this problem fixed...it will be just like the Matco (OTC) scanner, where you can manually enter year, make, model, or do a VIN entry. Just a ploy to get us to spend another $2500 on the truck!!!:flipoff2:

As far as being able to do a manual entry on the MT2500, I have been told that it can be done.....but I have yet to be able to figure it out.....

And as far as what year you will now be registered as....only time will tell. BAR/DMV have thier heads up their ass's, and I don't think that they know the answer!!! I have been told both, from both agencies.
It all depends on how lucky you get.

Brian--

I found a "sympithetic" guy at a "place" down the street...

Tipped him a hundred bucks! He adjusted my carb and didn't look at a lot of stuff including the gas cap off of a mustang I pulled from a junkyard!

Funny thing is I see these mofos in 82 mercedes spewing shit all the time. If I want to install an EFI kit in my Scout (which would improve emmissions) I would fail!

You just need to find the right guy:D .

Originally posted by 1uglyranger
Spoke to my Snap on rep about this problem a couple of months ago.....

The "new" mt2500 scanner is suppossed to have this problem fixed...it will be just like the Matco (OTC) scanner, where you can manually enter year, make, model, or do a VIN entry. Just a ploy to get us to spend another $2500 on the truck!!!:flipoff2:



Brian--


bastard's I just spent 10,000 on new Box!!!:eek: :eek:


Adam,

Snap On Loves to Dig deep, don't they. Invested in the Master Tech. Makes the MT2500 look like a toy. Still has its uses though.

Thanks for all the help.
He also has the Howell computer in the truck so all that info is great.
I was afraid that the older computer would be a problem.

The worst part is, He just got his registration renewal in the mail and he has to go to a test only station. So finding a guy to let it slide is pretty much out of the question.

Thanks again, Brian

I had the Snap on scanner, my friend has the somewhat new (like 2years old) Mac Advantage, i like that sooooooo much better then anyother scanner

So is the vehicle VIN ABSOLUTELY necessary? I bought a motor without getting the VIN from the truck, am I screwed?

no not really. the scan tool asks for the 9th digit- this indicates the year and a couple of other digits. this will indicate vehicle, engine size, options and such. You could more than likely get by with a knowledgeable tech.
I'm no tech, just the shop owner with some exp. One of the guyts could tell you though.

Originally posted by Adam Ant



bastard's I just spent 10,000 on new Box!!!:eek: :eek:


Adam,

Tell me about it......Snap On is my best tax right off!!!!:flipoff2:

Just because you have everything at regulations, it doesn't mean you WILL pass. I had an 84 Camaro about 5 years ago, with a V6 that didn't run. Among the many things that were replaced, we also got a new intake manifold. Everything was perfectly legal but we were still failed before the techy even started up the car! He said that the intake manifold wasn't legal, based on the appearance (it was really shiny:rolleyes: ).
I guess some people are just morons at the wrong jobs

You are right about the moron techs out there. Some of the worst SMOG tech carry the biggest ego. For some reason,just because they hold a Master ASE certificate and L1 advanced cert, They think they are GOD's gift the the auto repair industry. When in fact, all they did was pass a paper exam with no real hands on knowledge.
Believe me, I have brain farted in the past and this type before, Hey they even passed my interview. Failed terribly in the real world.
There are some great Tech's and SMOG tech's out there. Don't label them all form 1 or 2 bad experiences. Find a good guy through references, luck, or how ever and keep them.

Originally posted by Johncm
You are right about the moron techs out there. Some of the worst SMOG tech carry the biggest ego. For some reason,just because they hold a Master ASE certificate and L1 advanced cert, They think they are GOD's gift the the auto repair industry. When in fact, all they did was pass a paper exam with no real hands on knowledge.
Believe me, I have brain farted in the past and this type before, Hey they even passed my interview. Failed terribly in the real world.
There are some great Tech's and SMOG tech's out there. Don't label them all form 1 or 2 bad experiences. Find a good guy through references, luck, or how ever and keep them.

I had those guys work with me, they only last about a month before they are kicked out,
They need to learn, i am God's Gift!, ASE master is what i am all about :D
You can alway tell a good tech/smog when we look confusd, and run over to Mitchels book or the allmighty Alldata

You mean you need those books or programs.
I have had them as little as 5 days.
Like I said find a good one treat them well and keep them.

Originally posted by welndmn


or the allmighty Alldata

You mean the allmighty "some" data:D
I love that shit!!:D :D

Yea, that right. Some data. But we still could not live with out it. zillions times better than Mitchell though. Again we still keep mitchell around to keep the library full.