Look out.....

Ford Press release on Bronco Concept (http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/2004/news2004-1.html)

Linky no Workie!

:flipoff2:

One too many http://'s

Try this...

http://www.ford-trucks.com/news/2004/news2004-1.html

and a pic.

Hmmmmmm. G Wagon meet's Defender meets Scout...With a Bronco hood.


-D

Two cool things:

1. They mentioned the Defender (i.e. it's still on their radar screens...)

2. They said it comes from the factory with *nitrous*!

:eek:

Even in a piddly-assed 2.0 liter it's still cool that they're fitting it with nitrous.

Wonder if my local AM-PM will have a nitrous pump now?

:D

Other than those two things it's pretty much a 'retro-poseur'.

Giving homage to all the cool things the Bronco used to be and then saying it's a 'modern updated version' of the classic? There's no such thing! Either it's damn near close to the original (with added safety features), or it's something different.

They shouldn't be calling it a Bronco. It should be called a Filly.

:( just as they should have with LR, they should let the name die. brand managers suck.

one acronym:


IFS




:flipoff2:

and what abouit this quote......

"The Intelligent 4WD System uses a fully computer-controlled clutch that engages the rear wheels only as needed. In normal conditions, the Bronco concept is driven by its front wheels. Using sensors at each wheel and at the accelerator pedal, the system’s computer calculates – dozens of times per second – exactly how much torque to send to the rear wheels to minimize slip. It can even predict slip and preclude it from happening at all."

Front wheel drive Defender, anyone ??

Rick.

:rainbow:

265/70R18
What size tire does the come out to be.... in inches...

winch too...
I like the looks but think that i will not be close in offroading aspect as the EB...

another thing I don't like tis that it looks like the top don't come off.

32.6" x 10.5"

Originally posted by Serious One


2. They said it comes from the factory with *nitrous*!

:eek:

Even in a piddly-assed 2.0 liter it's still cool that they're fitting it with nitrous.

Wonder if my local AM-PM will have a nitrous pump now?

:D

Other than those two things it's pretty much a 'retro-poseur'.


And nitrous in a 2L diesel ISN'T poseur ? That's to attract the high school kids who think they're Vin. IF they ever produce it, that will never make it beyond the show mule.

Front wheel drive, part time 4WD - that says it all.

keith
:usa:

Keith, I'm agreeing with you.

I just thought it was rather...ummm....'interesting' that they're putting a nitrous kit on a factory vehicle.

I'd never heard of that being done before.

I'm not sure the kids will want it though, if it comes with Nitrous from the factory they'll have to find a supplier for the NOS stickers elsewhere.

:D

:cool:

..add a pic of conn rods coming out the side of that little guy and you've got a winner !

"There's no replacement..." - well, you know.


keith
:usa:

oh - i was hoping you were kidding about the nitrous
:flipoff2:

Since a diesel burns very lean anyway there should be little to no power increase from nitrous. On a heavily fueled engine, yes I can see an increase. They would have been better served by propane in this situation.

Originally posted by Fear Factory
Since a diesel burns very lean anyway there should be little to no power increase from nitrous. On a heavily fueled engine, yes I can see an increase. They would have been better served by propane in this situation.


Damn and there I was about to fit nitrous to my 2.25D for extra power.:rolleyes: Guess I will have to plumb in a camping gas bottle instead for propane injection. :D

Originally posted by Fear Factory
Since a diesel burns very lean anyway there should be little to no power increase from nitrous. On a heavily fueled engine, yes I can see an increase. They would have been better served by propane in this situation.

Propane only adds fuel and is ONLY of use in increasing power if there is a LACK of fuel. Most factory diesel are held back in fueling to limit particulate emmission so adding propane gets power, but it is NO MORE power than what would be achieved when adding more diesel. So there is no advantage over turning up the injection system other than it is easier to switch on and off.

For a legal factory power boost, propane would not work as it would make the emmisions increase.

Nitrous oxide adds fuel AND oxygen. This allows a clean power boost. It is becoming very popular as you can get a power increase beyond the maximum achieveable by simply increasing fueling.

I don't know where you got these ideas on nitrous. Nitrous oxide is not a fuel and air source. To quote a few sources:

Holley/NOS- "Q: How does nitrous work?
A: Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F, nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process."

Gale Banks- "Let’s assume you’ve modified your turbo-diesel to the point that it is overfueled and belching black smoke under a full load. What can you do? One solution is to add nitrous oxide injection, but in this case, you would not add extra fuel because you’re already too rich. Three things happen when you do this. First, the extra oxygen from the nitrous oxide leans out the mixture and the black smoke will be reduced or eliminated. Second, the excess fuel will now be burned for extra power. And third, exhaust temperatures will decline since less afterburning of fuel will occur in the exhaust manifold and the intercooling effect on the intake air will drop the exhaust temperature by a roughly equal amount."

"When you think about it, adding nitrous oxide injection to a diesel is easier than adding it to a gas engine because you don’t have to mess with adding extra fuel. In fact, there’s no point in doing it unless you’re already in an overfueled condition.

"Propane injection is nothing more than a way to add more fuel to the diesel engine. Without additional airflow, that additional fuel delivery can produce excessive exhaust-gas temperatures that harm internal engine components."

So if more power is being gained there is more fuel being delivered when the nitrous button is pressed. Propane is a shitty way to get more power in a diesel and rather dangerous so an automaker wouldn't install it anyway.

In summation stick with a little gasser in your red 90.

Thanks for the clarification. In the factory case, they will have the computer add more fuel to match the extra oxygen thus more power without increased emmissions.

No gasser in my 90 mate.

Maybe you should, doesn't sound like diesels are your thing.

Originally posted by red90rover


Propane only adds fuel and is ONLY of use in increasing power if there is a LACK of fuel. Most factory diesel are held back in fueling to limit particulate emmission so adding propane gets power, but it is NO MORE power than what would be achieved when adding more diesel. So there is no advantage over turning up the injection system other than it is easier to switch on and off.

For a legal factory power boost, propane would not work as it would make the emmisions increase.

Nitrous oxide adds fuel AND oxygen. This allows a clean power boost. It is becoming very popular as you can get a power increase beyond the maximum achieveable by simply increasing fueling.

I have seen firsthand the benefits of Propane/LPG injection on diesels.

At a recent comp - mostly worked nissan TD 6cyl utes - all of which have engine/turbo mods and greatly increased fuelling so they blow huge clouds of black smoke every time the pedal is pressed. One of the nissans was running propane as well as cold air induction and the increased diesel fuelling. It blew as much black smoke as the others but had noticeably more power. It could climb hills a gear or two higher than the others could and didn't need the runup. So although it is difficult to explain from a stoichiometric viewpoint it seems to have an effect - even when fuel is in abundant supply.

I often see propane called a combustion catalyst for diesels. I'm not sure of the chemistry behind propane in diesel engines but I agree that it does increase power in most all situations. If they're heavily fueled and looking for more power I'd go nitrous and get the benefits of cooler EGTs more power and MUCH greater safety.

All this chat about a bronco and no chat about this?

http://www.autointell.net/Events/naias-2004/naias-2004-daily/range-stormer/Range_Stormer_top-rear-800.jpg
http://www.autointell.net/Events/naias-2004/naias-2004-daily/range-stormer/rangestormer03-800.jpg

That's cause we all expect Range Rover's to get wimpier and wimpier, but everyone wants the next D90 to be something capable of hardcore offroading.

Originally posted by ISUZUROVER
That's cause we all expect Range Rover's to get wimpier and wimpier, but everyone wants the next D90 to be something capable of hardcore offroading.

But it's not a RR but a RS!

Im not sure if the Stormer is better suited for Bond or Powers. :flipoff2:

http://zeus.zeit.de/bilder/2002/45/bond_200.jpg http://www.moviepublicity.com/image_assets/austin3_main.jpg

-Jeff






















Yea Baby!

Didn't Rover have trouble last time they tried building cars?

Looks like a G wagon and is way under powered.

Not really at 3100 lbs.

Didn't Rover have trouble last time they tried building cars?

dumbass :flipoff2: rover has been building cars for a long time :rolleyes: the SD1 pictured above was an excellent machine by most standards, and used the same small block as our inferior truck-tuned 3.x's. it's too bad we can't get them over here. i'd take one of those over japcrap anyday!

here's the short of it -

http://www.team.net/www/morgan/history/linage.html

there is no room for pansy ass, sniveling, assmongering, can't find his own cock at a strip-club kind-of-people who has a rover for show and then drives a toyota to work, pining for a croozer! :mad2: :barf:

rag on english cars or spew bullshit here and get severely :nuke: , if only from me :flipoff2:


PS: this thread is gay.

Originally posted by SeaRover
PS: this thread is gay.

AND back from the dead :D

Guess that new mod-powered fella is still learning the ropes, 'eh ?

hehehe

keith
:usa:

Norwegian photoshop produces the new Defender...

http://webpg.info/bilder/new_def.jpg

http://webpg.info/bilder/new_def_2.jpg

:flipoff2:

Link (http://www.lrforum.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4395&st=15&#entry42440)

hehe ford seems awefully proud of its "intelligent 4wd" considering my old '88 subaru turbowagon had the exact same system in it's ft4wd tranny.

Originally posted by red90rover
Norwegian photoshop produces the new Defender...


Looks purty but I still don't see a solid axle. :flipoff2: