Kinda hard topic to search. I have done a few SAS's but was looking for pics of a low to no lift SAS. My 92 Runner's IFS crap is in bad shape. I think it would be cost effective to just put a solid axle under it. I need some pics of front hangers that offer no to little lift. It is my daily driver and dont want to get hassled my the man. So I has to look stock. I know Scott at Rockstomper did an SAS with no lift but I think it was coil sprung. Anybody else.

I believe you can buy the stock front hangers from toyota if that helps.

Main issue IMO will be steering. The draglink will be close to the frame. Probably hit it.

Other is very limited uptravel as well.

See this thread for minimal lift on an 86+ frame. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=208171)
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=2339330

I think I read somewhere that the minimum lift you need in an SAS to clear the steering linkages and prevent frame contact is 3"

I would think that a hanger with next to no lift, along with a stock length shackle and Toy rears or even stock SA front springs would do the trick. Whether or not you can get it to clear I dont know. shouldnt be too bad if you keep smaller tires on it.

Originally posted by JamisonWorkshop
I would think that a hanger with next to no lift, along with a stock length shackle and Toy rears or even stock SA front springs would do the trick. Whether or not you can get it to clear I dont know. shouldnt be too bad if you keep smaller tires on it.
The problem there is the frame on a factory SA rig has the arch. The above pic is going to be fixed by chopping out the frame there and making more clearance.

AS far as mine goes I have room to cut the shackles down and run less drop on the hanger and it would be fine. That is with Toy rears. Dont know how much lift that would be though.

This may sound crazy but what about running stock push-pull steering. Its a dailey driver so flex is not really a concern. Steering issues were my major concern. As well as the oil pan. but I think push-pull steering would solve that. Sounds kinda crazy, but I dont think it would cause any problems.



Jamison guess what I came acroos today.....85 Runner EFI. and a 91 P/u I not telling what I am paying for it.
:D

rub it in :flipoff2: I need a fender:)

Bones that going coils in the front. right? FJ80's Cant wait to see it done.

Originally posted by JamisonWorkshop
rub it in :flipoff2: I need a fender:)

I got one for you. I just have to go and pick it up. Right now it is frozen in mud up to the hubs.

I know Sky Man. has what they call there SAS drop front mount, I am actually using it as my drop mount on my 85 Runner. I believe it is 1/2" or 3/4" drop and random mounting of 1/2" to 1 1/2" forward. I am putting long springs in up front and didnt want as much lift while also movine the axle forward.

Originally posted by OffroadRunner
Bones that going coils in the front. right? FJ80's Cant wait to see it done.
coilovers F/R. Rear will wait until the rig is mobile and what not. All the parts are there collecting dust though.

Anybody got any input on using push pull steering?

I wouldnt. Just go with as little lift as you can and go crossover, make a double arm.

Make the drop hanger short. Shackles can always be adjusted.
We can come up with a spring pack that will sit low and ride good. I dont see why you will have a problem with the law on that set up if you keep i manageable.

Johnny Law up there must be a prick! Can't even lift it enough to make 33's look tiny and still clear the steering? Notch the frame and keep it low are my words of wisdom :rasta:

Originally posted by Bones
Johnny Law up there must be a prick! Can't even lift it enough to make 33's look tiny and still clear the steering? Notch the frame and keep it low are my words of wisdom :rasta:

I have had 1 inspect. ticket, Jamison has had 2. We don't even drive them that often. Johnny's are an ass around here.

they must be. my buddy put on the stock steering for some reason. it didnt look hard. the cops here didnt care thet my buddy was running 44s no bed or mud flaps for like 6 months.

I don't think you can much lower than I have mine and still get any uptravel. I have the All Pro 1.5" drop hangers and 3" front springs with one leaf removed. I figure my total front lift is just above 4". I might "might" be able to get away with one less inch in lift, but then it I would have only a couple inches of uptravel. My front springs are almost flat. I run 35" tires.

http://www.brian894x4.com/temppiratepost.jpg

I started with a low lift SAS and had to make a straight pitman arm........2"x1" flat bar.....cut end with splines off stock pitman turn it down in a lathe..... drill hole in flat bar......insert splined piece tig weld in .......drilled other end for hime...worked like a charm .....try to post pic later too cold and late

OffroadRunner , look here. Caz did a good job on a low sas.

http://home.4x4wire.com/caz/pictures/86_4runner/

http://home.4x4wire.com/caz/pictures/86_4runner/86_sascloseup.jpg

Jack allford did one that duplicate the stock toyota mounting method, and sotck solid axel steering. he did his really early on in the SAS frenzy. before there was alot of crap on the next about it. he did use toyota lift springs. but if you used his mounting method and steering method, you could get stock,
you deffinatily need to forget about hysteer. the first time you take a speed bump you steering lines will beat the shit out of you oil pan. you would also need ot change your oil pan out for one that was on an 85 (assuming you have a 22re) if you dont have a 4 banger you are talking coustom or you are FAWKED! the oild pans are designed arroung the front axel and its movement (or the lack there of in IFS) when a standard SAS is done it is not a problem becasue the lift provides clearance.

just my .02:rolleyes:

Use a 2wd oil pan, Push pull steering with a hydro assist setup, You should be fine...

Since were kinda on the subject, What do you guys think about push pull steering and hydro assist, That way you still get good turning force and don't get the steering movement with articulation. ...

no need for hydro on this. This is my dailey driver and hasnt even seen a dirt road in 2-3 years. I think the pic Flimmy showed was exaclty what I was loking for. If there are clearance issues with the steering then I could try a T100 oil pan. I know the guy that was one of the first to do the T100 oil pan. Pretty simple swap. Push pull would work better IMO just because of clearence issues.

I am running OME springs which are listed at 2.5"lift, and I run AP Hy-Steer, and an OTT flat pitman arm. A custom pan was needed, but I think that is only because I am running a diesel, and the pan was deeper than a 22r/e. The AP Hy-Steer could have been alot closer to the springs and I wold have had at least an inch more clearance. The custom pan was made by grafting a diesel 2WD and a 22r pan together.

http://clean4x4.com/box.jpg

http://clean4x4.com/panrod.jpg

http://clean4x4.com/panrods.jpg

dieseltoy good pics but you have a solid axle frame, stock mounts and a 4cyl. gives me some good ideas though. I have an IFS frame, fabbed hanger of some sort and a V6.


maybe I should ask this a littel different. If you were to just use 2 hangers that kinda looked like a upside down U without the crossmember between them would it hold or rip the frame? I would only have room for 1 small brace to the inside of the hanger. ( I have to be able to get the spring bolts out), and maybe one brace going back along the frame. But with no drop I don't think there will be room.


on second thought my chevies are hung that way. It should be fine. I guess I am just over analyzing this.

you should always re-inforce the frame where the box mounts.....
or :nuke:

Originally posted by johndeere0817
Jack allford did one that duplicate the stock toyota mounting method, and sotck solid axel steering. he did his really early on in the SAS frenzy. before there was alot of crap on the next about it. he did use toyota lift springs. but if you used his mounting method and steering method, you could get stock,
you deffinatily need to forget about hysteer.

exactly what I was going to suggest ... here's the writeup I did on it back in 96:
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/project/projtoy.html

- jack

Billy, I got power steering push pull box if you need one.

Originally posted by Lowtorious
Billy, I got power steering push pull box if you need one.


Ill keep that in mind. It wont happened for a while yet. I still have to get my trail rig done and Mike too.

Originally posted by morpheus


exactly what I was going to suggest ... here's the writeup I did on it back in 96:
http://www.off-road.com/4x4web/project/projtoy.html

- jack

exactly what I was looking for. You also used the push pull steering!!! Thanks for the link.