Something to think about.

Bobbed83, got ripped off. and many others..

Maybee I should dig up all my receipts and pics of the junk I added to the Heep...

A carefull filing system would not be a bad Idea either. ANd I think I will engrave the big parts with my Drivers License number so when it does turn up. I can get some revenge.

DOES anyone have any other ANTI theft Ideas?


Hidden Kill switch
bicycle lock around stearing wheel and cage
park in low range
park with ARB's on (try stearing a TJ spooled up)
dog
alarm
lighted parking area
gun
etc.....

I mite do this one

bolt a chan to your fire wall then weld two links on your shifter. put it in R if R is over and up then lock both chans together so it cant be pulled out of R

Pull out the efi or fual pump fuse and toss it in your pocket.

I spent a night at a really low rent district hotel once. I pulled out all the fuses and relays and took them upstairs with me. I also pulled out my chain and ran it through a rear wheel, locking it to the frame. Both tcases in nutral and pulled the Ign rotor.

If i am really worried about my ride being there the next day i usually pull the coil wire i figured that if they really want it they will have to tow it or pull a coil wire out of their ass...

Most of the suggestions you all have are good... to a point! They will stop the curious teenager or night owl amateur. I have worked in security systems & anti-theft and can tell you most of what you see out there is easily gotten by/around. The same way someone comes up with an idea the thieves come up with a way to get through it.
The "Club" for the steering wheel and brake pedal is an absolute friggin joke!!
The thick metal column sheath is a dud as well!
No matter how BIG or thick the chain, the lock is usually the weak point. Boltcutters, scissor jack, hydraulic cutter(manual kind) are all simple tools to defeat 95% of these types of security.
Anything you can remove, the "thief" will bring "next time". IF they really want what you got, it won't be long until they get it. Once they find an obstacle it is now "homework" time. They will be back ready to overcome it soon.
BellyUp mentioned engaging lockers. This will work on the uneducated, but if they are wheelers ... :emb: Still worth a try though! An alarm is a good first line of defense. Buying cheap gets cheap results, so DONT GO CHEAP!! Now this is a personal choice, but I don't "advertise" that I have an alarm. Some have flashing LEDs and some have an audible chirp/tone to let you know they are armed. I choose not to tip them off. I went with a "proximity sensor" array and "page alert" as additional features. Other goodies like fuel cut-off, electrical interrupt, etc. are fun. I can choose to have an audible siren go off, be paged, or both. Another option with the proximity set-up is a verbal warning that the individual is too close to the vehicle and to back off or the alarm will go off.:eek: There are many variations and I would suggest you use Consumer Reports to decide which one would work best for you.
Don't "advertise" any goodies on your rig! I keep my stereo quiet near home or when I pull into a parking lot. I leave nothing in sight or give any notion that there is anything of value inside. A lockable console, a lock box bolted down under the seat, a hidden compartment under the carpet kit or in the kick panels, or an under dash/false glove box are good ways to secure stuff outta sight. Kill switches are good deterrents to use but they need to be easily accesible and able to be engaged discreetly. Disguising them as some feature commonly found in a stock vehicle but not used anymore due to all your mods.;)
A combination of anti-theft measures are your best bet. Just do yourself a favor and don't go with the easy fixes like fuses and coil/plug wires.
And remember, if they really really want it, the fawkers will get it. I hope the ones that got Bobbed83s rig get a :mad3::mad3::mad3: :skull: !!!

:rolleyes:Sorry to ramble on. I'd just hate to hear about another wheeler getting ripped off if my .02 coulda stopped it.

Oh yeah! Keeping records of your parts with serial numbers, etc. is one of the best ways to identify anything IF it gets stolen. Engraving a special number or word on all of your stuff is another dead on identifier on non-serial numbered items. I would advise against using your Driver's License or Social Security number though. Maybe the VIN# of your rig or just a partial of it.


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HEY OSAMA! IF you don't like the horns, DON'T wave the BIG RED flag at the BULL!! :nuke::nuke: & kisses ... :usa: Land of the FREE and Home of the BRAVE!!!

Getting you crap jacked sucks.

tigger,

some good Ideas there. When we go overnight wheeling is when I am most worried.. I dont want to wake up and not have a toy.. :D

Once I get my own trailer, I will find some way to secure the HEEP to it. Already have one of them lock the receiver to the Tahoe thingys.. And we usually cable the trailers together once we get to the trailhead.

Now I have to think about not loosing my tow rig too:eek:

You have never seen pissed off..If someone takes my Tahoe... Its war....:vader: :vader2: :trooper: :usa:

:D Thanks for all the input.. Maybee we can help keep one more rig..

do you guys have 'engine emobilisers' over there ?



little remotes which will mean the car can not be started in any way unless the remote is with in a few metres radius ???

I have heard pf someone that carries a "boot" with them and lock up their rig. The boot is alarmed, not 100% fool proof but the theif would think twice.

Lo-Jack along with miscellaneous items like those previosly mentioned.

i tink all the above is great advice. most definetly save the recipts and take lots of pic. take pics of the stuff to be installed still in the box then pics of it installed write on the back of the pics what it is your looking at then file them all.to many receipts is not a bad thing. and maybe yearly take your rig to a 4x4 shop and have it appraised in writting as to it's actual value

i think just having a bunch of unlabeled toggle switches on your dash that do various things would help.. some of them would be a line lock, fuel cutoff, nuetral safety switch interuptor... things like that mixed in with the normal switches so that only you know what does what...
4 0r 5 unlabeled shifters sticking outa the floor is bound to make progress slow as well..
maybe a pin in the steering column you could remove so that the shaft would spin outside the steering gear box...

fact is that most thieves just wheel up in a tow truck haul your rig up and take off so the only good deterent would be things that can lock all four tires, but they can still just drag it up onto the tow truck..

along the same thread what can you do to secure a trailer??? i have a lock for the tongue, but thats pretty common.. it would be nice to have something thatll lock up the tires... im less worried about theft and more worried about bored kids dragging it off with their hands and dumping it in a ditch or something... i guess i could weld an eye to the wheel and hook a stout cable to the frame or something... or maybe a bracket that runs from the frame to the rim and bolt them together with an impact???

peace
Jw

50 straightened fish hooks, pressed into a pice of expanded plastic, put on the driver seat, under the clothing... :D

Just don't forget that you put it there... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

My opinion-

If they really want your truck , they will get it .Unless it's small time thiefs , I don't think you can really stop them

Get it appraised, insure it for replacement value

You can make it harder by stamping the expensive parts with your name or something but .....

Well this is what I did.

I took a note from my old man, he raced AHRA and NHRA for years and worked on a few circle rigs as well.

I just rigged up a removable steering wheel. And you are not going to drive the CJ2A with 35 inch ground hawgs and no power steering with vise grips!

I will be doing the same shit to my ZJ after I am done with a few other mods.

I also own a Fila Brasileo. you guys in Cali are Fawked for owning one since your greenies are so active but I will tell you what a 180 pound dog that hates people is a great system (not all people just strangers)

I used to have my trailer stored at a local storage place. When I left it, I would run bicycle locks (the big thick kriptonite brand) through the tires and and the springs. I figured this would at least deter all but the ones that absolutely wanted it...

Rookie

Put the rig in the garage. In Colorado, one a person breaks into your home, and you feel endangered, you can shoot them. Known as the "make my day" law.

Make sure your rig is ugly enough that no one would want to steal it.

When I first bought my trailer, before I built a lock for it, I ran a chain through the spokes of the wheels and padlocked it. Went to move it a few days later, forgot about the chain, went less than a foot and broke the lock. Granted it wasn't the strongest lock, but this was with an empty trailer on bark dust.

Pete

Get the hell outta the city. That's what I did. Around here you don't even have to lock the doors.

:D :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2:

Jakester

If you take the coil wire, it's a simple thing to just grab one of the spark plug wires and substitute it for the coil wire.

On anything other than a Toy 4cyl, you can drive pretty weill down just one cylinder. :D

I'm more concerned with the STUFF in my rig getting stolen than my rig itself (who'd want a Scout?).

My rig looks like there's nothing valuable to be found. I keep the tunes turned down when I'm near my house (already had one stereo stolen.. the crappy under-dash RadioShack CD player I'd had for 6 years was duct-taped to the trans tunnel and cover in mud.. yet someone decided to steal it. They could've had it if they'd asked nice, but the fawkers took my new AC/DC CD that was in it, which upset me more than the player..)

Eventually I intend to get a silent alarm w/ pager.. and a 1911.

That said, my competition rig is parked outside of my garage at the moment, with the keys in the ignition (tho' the ignition is broken, so they don't do anything) and a bank of toggles on what used to be a "dash"..

Anyone that wanted to could walk up, flip a couple switches and push the only pushbutton and crank it over.

Of course, it's 10.25:1 so it cranks a little hard and takes a few tries when it's cold and usually stalls a couple times.

And when it DOES fire, EVERYONE knows it thanks to the open headers. :D

..giving me plenty of time to load my .30-06. :)

'course, at the moment it's sitting in the dirt w/o a front axle (taco'd it), so they probably wouldn't get far anyhow..

Do what my buddy did.... make a switch for the external fuel pump, that has to be turned on to start it. Works, and he mingled the fuel pump switch in with all his other switches for lights, cb and such, so it looks like its just another accesory switch :)
Scott :grinpimp:<><

Most of these ideas are good to slow down these asshole ripoffs but some of the pros own tow trucks. For when my rig is at home, I have a very large boat chain cemented into the driveway(in a 3' deep footing) that can be wrapped around the frame and axle witha huge lock above the axle(hard to reach with a cutter).

Originally posted by PYRO
Most of these ideas are good to slow down these asshole ripoffs but some of the pros own tow trucks. For when my rig is at home, I have a very large boat chain cemented into the driveway(in a 3' deep footing) that can be wrapped around the frame and axle witha huge lock above the axle(hard to reach with a cutter).

Good God now that is Getting It!! You need to move to a new place!

Dog/AR-15/fenced and locked yard/crazy neghbors that are home all day and lookout for every ones shiat.

Yep move away from the city and this is what you get.

Neighbors keep track of who what and when some one comes up the street. the sherrif drives by alot as well.

I guess the neighborhood used to be the bario or whatever and made a big turn around when the good neighbors decided to get the nice quiet country like feel back:D

I just found out yesterday that the guy that helped me set up my electronic security measures on my rig blew off two or more of his fingers and has spent the last 6 months in jail on explosives charges. Don't ask! Do warning labels have any legal implications?
Mike :fj: :jeep2:

Another important thing if you get an alarm is to install it yourself or if it is done by a shop make shure you know them and can trust them. There have been a few shops around here that install an alarm in a car and then give all the details to their buddy who goes and steals that same car within a few days.:eek:

Are you saying you have explosive thief countermeasures on your rig? While it might be a good idea, you can get into some serious trouble for that. A warning label only makes it worse because then you were "aware of the danger".

Next year I'm going to have underground parking. I'll just chain my cage to a 3' dia concrete piller :D

I think the @ home part isn't that tough to maintain your rig.

It's the over the road part.. Like when I tow to CALI from PA.
WE have to take 3 days to get there. And that means 6 nights in the middle of nowhere. This is where I dont want to loose my rigs.
Thanks for some great ideas.

One more I thought of. The reese receiver has to be locked to the tow rig.
THen lock the trailer to the Reese.
Then disable both towrig and the rig. with one of the above ways.

Good thinkin---- I like the blow the fawker up one! :flipoff2:
Didn't I see that in a James Bond flick?
And then he says; "I hope you have a car."

i have modified my X-case shifter in my TJ (so i pull it straight up and downto shift) i leave mine in neutral (3 clicks up) so if someone does get in and get it started (kill switch here too) most likely they wont figure out how to put it in 2wd.

way to revive a dead thread!! IF I was worried about it... I'd put the transfer case in front hi, rear low or some combo similar. I'd rather have an exploded t-case than a stolen rig! I run drive slugs...so they won't let go! 3 shifters, 12 positions- you figure it out!

quick disconnects on the shifters - leave it in 1st - low
don't use the ignition key in the column without some other sort of switch. I like the cigarette lighter - has to be pressed in to turn over
aux horn switch - if you don't trip the switch, the horn goes constantly when engine is running - put the switch under the hood
if you've got hubs on all four corners, unlock em

I like Patrik's fishhook thing. :evil:

Originally posted by Bert
I think the @ home part isn't that tough to maintain your rig.

It's the over the road part.

Tell that to Russ and Kelli. They were sitting in thier living room, watching a movie, at 9 at night, when they heard the 350Toy fire up. If that rig wasn't a cold blooded pig, the guy would have been down the road with it.

heres and idea if your rig is sitting a while, pull your full floating shafts it only takes 10 minutes and bolt a cap over the end of the hub. you can pull the d shafts to, i usually flat tow my rig and pull the d shafts and dont hook em up till i am ready to wheel. you can always disconnect the throttle cable and also the shifter cable if you have a auto tranny

I was at barnes and noble looking at the range rover mag and saw an add for these tire nipples that have a little lock on top and if set they will deflate your tire withing 6o yrds of where it was parked. The only prob i saw was that it could still be started and driven, makeing it a product that would propably slow me down a couple times. You would also need two of them or they could just swap out the spare.
my .02:usa:

My theft deterance is an ugly beat up dented bad rattle can paintjob having heep with no stereo.
Worked for me until i sold the Cherokee.
Never rolled up the windows for security reasons( Only For rain and the cold :D)
Never did lock the doors.
Shiat half the time I had the key ziptied into the ignition too.

never lost a key on the trail that way :D

NRA sticker on window and CC permit taped to the steering wheel would work :D

but Patrik's idea kicks ass! maybe run some current through them for an extra effect :eek: :eek:

this is all good, imho the more shit they have to deal with the more likely they will pass you buy and go to the next who isnt as complicated..... but if they really want, they will get! bastards! :mad:

Originally posted by tsm1mt
On anything other than a Toy 4cyl, you can drive pretty weill down just one cylinder. :D
Toy's run fine on 3 cylinders. They just don't run very fast.

I passed emissions by pulling the wire to 1 injector.

i'm with the multiple switch people. I have a fuel pump switch, and a battery disconnect. I figure if someone is good enough to steal my truck there's nothing I can do about it. However these two things I think will deter most amature theifs and that's what i'm worried about. When it's stolen by a pro thief you never see it again. Amature thiefs steal stuff, get caught, and then you get your rig back but it's all fawked up.

-Steve

If it is a manual buy a big lock and lock the clutch to the brake petal. Works in a Jeep. they move togehter... not impossibly to drive but hard as crap.


Or just make your shifter detachable. take it with you...

just makes me wonder, why are so many people advertising how to defeat thier anti-theft devices??? :confused:

3 boxers, motion lights, and a nosy little old lady living next door seems to work for me. Cameras coming soon, mostly since I'm just a paranoid bastard :rolleyes: I do like that chain to the cement idea... I DO have to put in a driveway this summer... :idea:

Best one my sick little mind ever dreamed up was a "weed cutter" electric fence unit running to wires at every access point, under the door handles, hood latch, etc. Light up their life!:D

Also to hell with the sirens under the hood, put them where they'll do the most good, INSIDE! Imagine trying to hotwire a vehicle with 140db of siren going off in your head and that nervous twitch you have now after you got poked!:eek:

Here's mine

Tow rig= 190lb Saint Bernard (Yes, SHE will kick your ass)
Jeep=150lb Neopolitan Mastiff (Yes the one who BROKE the door down in house... no shit)

If you survive that, well I guess its yours, because you probably shit in you pants when they got your arm, and I don't like smelling shit.

Oh, and if I'm home don't think that they wouldn't break a window out. I just asked them that next time they come in the same one they left.

FYI the mastiff can operate the garage door opener too, don't ask how he figured that out.

The shifter on my 73 pinto used to pull right out. Anybody that ever had one knows what I'm talking about and the fact there wouldn't be s&*t you could do other than put a similar shifter back in to put it in gear. (sucks though when it comes out when you go to grab 2nd in the middle of a major intersection in Stockton).:D

Seriously, couple of practicle, easy ideas that are pretty good deterrents. Jacobs electronics has ignition systems that will stall after short distance. Had plans of doing that one on my Stang (till I sold it) since on top of that it was a pretty killer performance system as well.

Also, when I was in college and afraid of losing it at school, had a detachable steering wheel from Grant. Like a $100 and had a locking cap that made it tough to put anything on to steer with. Not impossible, but damn difficult.

Don't make your shiat so dam pretty and people won't want it. It a wheeler not a show rig!

a

i like the 1911 idea, to bad i'm 18 and live in california -mutters about gun nazi's-. but the good news is i got a mossberg and working on setting up one of those nifty electric cop gun holders where you push the button and it unlocks, should be nifty :smokin::smokin:

what i thought would be kinda cute for the people running devorced t-cases would be to pull the shaft out between the tcase and tranny. the other thing i thought would be nice is install a pushbutton start. have it where if you use the key to start, it wont start and it blows the fuse going from the pushbutton so until you replace that fuse there would be no way to start the car. this would also make it nice so you would know if someone was fawkin with your rig.

for audio eq, i plan on tack welding the bolts that go though the floorboard for my amps, which will also be under the seats, as for the speakers what i've been thinking is to eather tack weld the rings to the surrounding sheetmetal or take a peice of diamond plate or just plain steel and cutting a circle out that just big enough for the surround of the speaker, but not the mounting ring itself and mounting that over the speaker, then welding that to the car, so the only way to get the speaker out would be to break the welds and then remove the speaker.

if your really worried about it, take your license plates off. i dunno about else where, but you wouldn't get 1/2 a mile in this county without having half the police force pulling you over :)
also in the way of taking shit out, take the driver seat, you know how much it sucks to drive without a seat :question:

and finally, something i have always wanted. get one of those fire extequisher size cans of mace that fog like a fire extequisher, and set that bad boy up to flood the whole rig:flipoff2:

I have a battery kill if I take the JEEP where i do not feel confortable. I also have a clifford 900iq that will pay 3000 if my jeep is stolen, buy I do not think they are goinmg to pay if it is not hooked up... Well my double pennies added! Hope no one here ever looses a vehichle of any kind. Insurance companies are some of the bigges and beat legal thieves that we have in our society. No one here would ever get there money back!!!

Some good ideas here...I like the removable steering wheel, who else besides Grant makes one?

I stripped an old piece of equipment and got a bunch of lights and switches now I just have to figure out how to use all of them:D

http://www.nyscc.alfred.edu/users/luke/misc/switch_box.jpg

oh...what's good about locking the tranny in reverse with a chain, you could just push in the clutch and away it rolls...I guess it wouldn't let them drive off with it at least...

Luke

Originally posted by PYRO
Most of these ideas are good to slow down these asshole ripoffs but some of the pros own tow trucks. For when my rig is at home, I have a very large boat chain cemented into the driveway(in a 3' deep footing) that can be wrapped around the frame and axle witha huge lock above the axle(hard to reach with a cutter).
Claymore under the driver seat. Fixes thiefs the first time as they exit via the roof...too bad if you got a hard top. Once enough thiefs are dead we can go back to leaving our trucks unlocked and won't have to worry about bottom dwellers.

removable steering wheel. Rebco, summit, jegs...and a bunch of others make 'em,

move to a better neighborhood! i cant take my dad's truck out at night when he's out of town without my neighbors telling him when he gets back, even if my mom says its ok.
i like alot of the ideas here, and while alot of the shit would be easy to fix/replace, like a coil wire/fuse. but what thief would check to see if your NSS is pluged in, or if the pickup on your distributor is making contact, or if your fuel pump is plugged in, all pretty easy to fix, but most thiefs wouldnt spend that much time on it to figure out why it wont start.
also, as far as locking the shifter in place, sounds good, but it is pretty easy to cut a lock, or back it onto a trailer.
and dont drive a ford, those things are way tooo easy to hotwire.

I live in the ghetto and my cars have been broken into 8 times that I know of since I moved in. They aren't wheelers since they leave all the good stuff. But they love my car stereos. The estimate to fix my Tacoma after they broke in to steal my $179 stereo WITH THE FACE OFF! was $3800 and of course Allstate won't pay the claim. As much as I hate them I'm going to have to break down and buy car alarms. I'm not really concerned about having the whole truck stolen since if they want it they will get it. My dad's Trailduster was stolen out of the driveway, they just winched it onto a flatbed and off they went. All the stuff inside the trucks really adds up though I only have a stereo in the VW and only because it's stock and the low lifes don't want it. When I start driving my '81 again I plan to spend the first night it's home on the patio with a 12 pack and my SKS. The first asshole that comes by the scope it out is getting shot. There are so many gunshots around here no one even pays attention anymore. If they do decide to borrow one of my trucks they are both Toyotas and easy to steal but the 81 has a fuel pump cutoff switch and they both have loud exhausts and are parked outside my window. My dog knows the sounds of the trucks very well and if she wakes up at night I grab a gun and head to the patio. I'm really fawking sick of thieves I'm too poor to replace the shit they steal. My Scout when it's done will live at my Dad's house behind his 8' wall I don't want it anywhere near my apartment. Thieves suck:mad3:
Travis