We are having spools made for GM 14 bolts, and would like some input. Here are some pictures of the prototype. The deck is really thick, but if you want to use the stock ring gear bolt's, it needs to be. The question is, do we make the deck thinner and use diffrent ring gear bolts, or leave it as is?
If you think weight is an issue, keep this in mind
an open carrier is 30.28 lbs/ gov-lock 37.34 lbs/ our spool is 26.25 lbs.
If we make the deck thinner it will save about 7 additional lbs. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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http://www.ringpinion.com/postings/14TSpool1.jpg
http://www.ringpinion.com/postings/14TSpool2.jpg
http://www.ringpinion.com/postings/14TSpool3.jpg

GOOD GOD!! :eek: That's a huge bitch!! :D:D

WAAAAAAAY Cool. It's still lighter than stock, leave it!! Looks beefy!

That's bad ass!!!!
I think if you are worried about weight you shouldn't be running a 14 bolt to start with.
There may be a few pople concerned about the weight but everybodys gonna be concerned about the added expense of ring gear bolts, I'd say leave it like it is so you can run stock bolts.
How long before it's in production?

Ummmmm How much for that thing :D

Don't do anything to it well besides give it to me :flipoff2:

The thicker flange will reduce the chance of the ring gear (and flange) deflecting under heavy loads - which is a problem in some other gearsets (but probably not 14 bolts) and can lead to R&P failure. So leaving it is good and will save on buying new bolts!!!

Originally posted by mrtwstr
I think if you are worried about weight you shouldn't be running a 14 bolt to start with.

Good point! if you're worried about 7 pounds, then a 14 bolt is out of the question. :laughing:

friggin red x's!!!!!!

I'm not sure what's up with red x! I had to get help just to post them.

i'm getting red x's too, and want to see this thing

Gettin XX's here too...

Whats the link to your Yahoo folder?
Is in a public folder?
You have a red star, use the post feture on the bottom of the new reply page (Right by the submit button)
Give up?
E-mail me the pics, I will post welndmn@yahoo.com

Mac,

e-mail the pics to me and I'll host em guaranteed visibility.

Also - leave deck as is - not because you want to be able to re-use ring gear bolts - putting in a nice new spool you should definately get all new ring gear bolts, but you want to avoid the hassle of trying to find suitable replacement shoter bolts of correct size and grade.

Otherwise, som eedjut will use a black anodized grade 5 bolt, experience failure, and somehow end up blaming your spool and all hell will break loose

e-mail has been sent from yahoo groups to Billavista to post pics:D

Thanks.
Daren

avatar seems to be working fine :D

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/misc/14b/14TSpool1.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/misc/14b/14TSpool2.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/misc/14b/14TSpool3.jpg

how much are they going to cost?

Thanks bill!!
I figured it out they were way to big.

about $250 or so

Available when?

Morgan

about six months, if every one can agree on a design.

that is AWESOME!

i was wondering when someone would make one.

and $250 sounds good too!:D

OK I think everyone here has agreed on the design. Problem solved Make sure to let us know when they are ready.

Originally posted by ultimatebronco
OK I think everyone here has agreed on the design. Problem solved Make sure to let us know when they are ready.

Exactly! Are you building these for the larger or smaller ring gears (4.10 and down, or 4.56 and up)? I run 5.13's on the smaller carrier.

Chuck

Have you thought about a 35 spline upgrade or maybe even 40? I know the shaft diameter is much larger than the rest, but maybe you could utilize D80 axleshafts or something to make a super stout 14 bolt ? :) Just a thought, while you're in the design process.

SInce just about any gearset you get now for a 14 bolt is a think gearset they will probly only be 4:10 down.

I can't wait to try one out! :eek: Maybe I can talk them out of a prototype for my 14bolt swap. you know " stress test it" not that it needs it.

Never thought I'd see it happen. I'd keep it thick, I like it. :D

Originally posted by PONYEATER
SInce just about any gearset you get now for a 14 bolt is a think gearset they will probly only be 4:10 down.

I can't wait to try one out! :eek: Maybe I can talk them out of a prototype for my 14bolt swap. you know " stress test it" not that it needs it.

I was thinkin bout that too..woud be a problem for some. :D

if i hadnt welded my 14 bolt, that would be my next choice there... thats fawkin beefy.

is there no one that makes a spool for the 14 bolt now?:confused: :D

Looks like beefy stuff... Now make a full spool for Dana 70's :D

Looks like you need an edge break around the OD, I see a dent on it already. How much weight are you saving but undercutting the OD between the bolt holes? If the OD was just a straight-a-head turned diameter it would be real easy to have a chamfer on the front and the back. With the milled scallop look you would have to mill a chamfer around the outside edge. Other than that I think it looks darn good, nice to see people filling in the aftermarket gaps.

Id buy one just for safety over welded. Looks good, keep the thick flange. If its too heavy, people can always have it machined down.

They will all be 4.10 and down, you can get thick gears in all the upper ratios.
As far as the appearance of this particular spool, keep in mind that this is a hand made piece made for design purposes and has not been hardened yet, the finished product will be much nicer.
Thanks for the input, they are going to keep it thick.

Whats the material?

I'm not sure. I'll have to check and let you know.:confused:

Any plans for a solid "mini" spool?

I need one of those!!! :D
Im willing to be a guinea pig if you need one....

I might like to have one of those spools whenever they are ready.

Sweeeeeeeeett!!

That thick and beefy would it matter what the material was, i mean a low alloy or even mild steel would probably be good. 4140 would be nice, i wouldn't see the need for 4340, the added nickel wouldn't realy be required... just my 2ct.

JP

6 months is tooooo long, I need one now!
Will it fit my stock 4.56 ring gear?
If it would be quicker you could make the OD round instead of scaloped. I don't care about the extra weight. :D

i could give a fawk about a 14 bolt spool but i dig your avatar :D

Originally posted by Brayden
Have you thought about a 35 spline upgrade or maybe even 40? I know the shaft diameter is much larger than the rest, but maybe you could utilize D80 axleshafts or something to make a super stout 14 bolt ? :) Just a thought, while you're in the design process.

Yes, yes! What he said!

We want beef, and larger shafts are always a good thing. Gotta catch up to the 40 spline dana 60s!:D

then you need someone to make the matching hubs.....though, that would be really trick!!

They will be made of 4130
The GM 14 bolt 30 spline is the same size as Dana 35 spline, so makeing a 35 spline unit is pointless, but after you guys mentioned that you would be interested in 40 spline we are checking to see if we can have some 40 spline units made at a decent price.
But then the question is were are you going to get blank axles to make a 40 spline FF shafts?

Put me down for one, when you get them done.

Originally posted by The Mac
But then the question is were are you going to get blank axles to make a 40 spline FF shafts?

If you make the spool someone will make the 40 spline axle to use in it. You can take that to the bank.

VERY NICE!!!!! I will be waiting for you to put these on the market...

SOLD!!!...work some overime to get these out sooner!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by AZFJ
SOLD!!!...work some overime to get these out sooner!!!!!!!!

What he said. My interest is peaked!

Sign me up for one also!
:cool:

That thing looks SWEEEEEEET. Please put my name on the list for one. :D :D :D :D

you might be able to work with Moser engineering on some 40 spline axles as they already make em for the 9in. Just a thought.

JJ

They only make them for flanged ax's, I checked

Pig
Does Foot or "SUPERIOR" make a blank that will work for a 40 spline FF setup?

chris and ben at OTT can help out with the 40 spline 14b stuff. they have a few secrets tucked up there sleeves....

6 months huh? Sounds good to me, my Dakota truggy should be ready about then...

Hey Mac,

Where is the manufacturing of these spools going to take place?

India of course:rolleyes:! did you think that was going to be a secret? That's already been beat to death!!!!!!!

Yikes that thing is thick. I think anybody running a 14 bolt is not going to worry about a little extra mass.

Mac, you have the best avatar that I've seen on the board, but who's jubblies are they and where can I find pics of the rest of the package ;) (gotta love tan lines)? Would it be possible to make one a bit thicker on the flange face so that those of us running 4.56 stock gearsets don't have to upgrade? Personally I think you might sell more if you offered that option as people wouldn't have to shell out $$ to get new gears. If you could do that and make it 40 spline I'd snag one. Now you need some blue anodizing to make it bling :flipoff2: .
- Zach

The vast majority of people are running thick gears, so to have two different units made would be expensive, and the 4.56 and up unit wouldn't move.
The pic is of my wife.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by The Mac

The pic is of my wife.:flipoff2:

But they are my hands:flipoff2:

Fawk the majority :flipoff2: , I'll call your bluff, if thats your wife lets see a pic of you standing beside her or....something to that effect :D .

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/avatar.php?userid=21507&dateline=1072389380 :rasta:
This is the best I could do:flipoff2:

So edjamcate my hic ass,
If you arent going to make them to fit a stock 4.56 and up ring gear would I have to get a thick ring gear to stay 4.56 and use this spool?
Whats the skinny?
I should read Bills 14bolt bible again.......

Yes you would jeeplvr, 4.10 is the carrier break

Yes, if you have factory 4.56's and you want to run this spool you would have too change the R&P. This may seem dumb, but like I said most of the people that will run a spool will also be doing a ratio change and will be using thick gears.

Originally posted by The Mac
Pig
Does Foot or "SUPERIOR" make a blank that will work for a 40 spline FF setup?

I'd tell ya but i'd have to kill ya............


Word has it that you aren't the only one working on this 14 bolt project.

I'm sure that other companies are. It's not like a 14 bolt spool is innovative!!!!

Originally posted by The Mac
Yes, if you have factory 4.56's and you want to run this spool you would have too change the R&P. This may seem dumb, but like I said most of the people that will run a spool will also be doing a ratio change and will be using thick gears.

Then count me out.... I'll just get a Detroit.

I guess I'm not most people then....

Originally posted by The Mac
I'm sure that other companies are. It's not like a 14 bolt spool is innovative!!!!

If it wasn't so innovated then why haven't anyone else made them???? :confused:

If it wasn't so innovated then why haven't anyone else made them????

I don't think there has been a real huge market for them untill fairly recently, plus there isn't a whole lot of companys that have the resorces to build them and sell them any where near the cost Mac's talking abot. There's no reason someone else couldn't have allready had them on the market, it's all a $$$ thing.

Originally posted by The Mac
Yes, if you have factory 4.56's and you want to run this spool you would have too change the R&P. This may seem dumb, but like I said most of the people that will run a spool will also be doing a ratio change and will be using thick gears.

Couldn't you make the spool so that any ring gear will fit and just machine a few spacers (to space the ring gear to the right position) to be sold at extra cost to the people who require them. Of course this may mean different bolts...

Hope this makes sense - Familiar with D60's but not 14bolt...

Originally posted by TJP


Then count me out.... I'll just get a Detroit.

I guess I'm not most people then....

Sorry man it all comes down to cost. and to do a small run of 4.56 and up would drive the cost up to about $400 plus. per unit and you can get a DET for that cost.

Originally posted by ISUZUROVER


Couldn't you make the spool so that any ring gear will fit and just machine a few spacers (to space the ring gear to the right position) to be sold at extra cost to the people who require them. Of course this may mean different bolts...

Hope this makes sense - Familiar with D60's but not 14bolt...

Sure you could do that. But most people don't have much confidence in ring gear spacers. "Me included"

So if others will produce a 14 bolt spool, how about you make your own niche in the market to run stock 4.56 gears :rolleyes: . I know I know it cost too much bla bla bla, don't all projects?

I just got into the 14 Bolt thing. I take it that the cutoff is 4.10. I have factory 4.56 gears now. Is there a place to get a 4.56 to fit this spool? What is this "thick gear" thing? BTW, any updates on this product?

BTT

Damn I want one of those instead of my big hunk of Detroit. :eek:

any update on the release date?

They should be here the first part of June.

Is there a ring gear spacer that can be used with this?

Oh yeah can you hurry it up a little!:flipoff2:

Is it June yet? Hurry, we're waiting!!!

Cmon man!!
My buggy is about to roll out the door without a locked rear end :D
Tapping foot, waiting for the spool fairies to deliver!!

I am interested in one of these also, I am fixing to do a 14 bolt swap in my Bronco. I would rather buy one of these then to weld it. Do you know a definite release date yet and is the price still the same as the earlier post?

Where can I send my money order? Consider one sold right here right now.

Where can I send my money order? Consider one sold right here right now.

Any word on these? :D :grinpimp:

Release date, price?

Tt

I am ready to buy one of these, any update on the release date?

I am ready to buy one of these, any update on the release date?



lol.. i get to see them before you guys do.. :flipoff2:

Well fellers I can't wait for this unit anymore, with no updates or words of any kind I have no choice.
I'll be getting a Detroit and calling it done.

Does anyone know how to get in touch with this guy, I want one of these spools.

yeah that this is bad ass...I am in line for one without a doubt!!!

Chris

Just got a E-mail from Mac, said they would be ready in about a month!!!

I hope he's going to have a lot of them ready to sell. Looks like quite a few (including me) are waiting anxiously!

Chuck

Any update on this?

Chuck

Where are these damn things??????????????? Oh, no I'm not anxious! :flipoff2:

Anything new on these at all??

was this just bullshit or what? I'm waiting as well

was this just bullshit or what? I'm waiting as well


I'm thinking bullshit.... :flipoff2: but wishing for gold...

We were told July and then I think August. :confused:

It may not be BS but it sure aint prompt. Anyway I bought a Detroit instead, maybe by the time I wear it out these phantom spools we be available. :flipoff2:

like pontiac says

"wider is better"

It looks like a nice piece. I would move the the radius going around the bolt holes out a little and increase the holes in the cast by 3. I could use 3 of these ASAP. What is the cost of these, when will they be out. I dont want to have to machine a aluminum one..got no time for that



http://www.ringpinion.com/postings/14TSpool1.jpg

Still waiting

Anything doin' on this? Feet tapping! I'm about to check out snoops.com to see if these are some offroading myth.

Has anyone bought one of these yet? I WANT ONE BAD!!!!!

Any news on availability :confused:

Back to the top..
I saw a pic on Coloradok5 of a spool that looks like this. Have they ever been ready for sale?

Yes they have been released for sale as I've sold several with great luck. They are currently on back order though.

Any word on making these with the proper clearance for GM 4.56 gearsets?

Reading this thread I was thinking they were merely a myth after like a year and a half of space in there with no word.

It's listed on Randy's website:

YP FSGM14T-3-30 14T 4.10 & DOWN 30 SPLINE STEEL SPOOL General Motors 10.5

I got mine back in the days....I'll end up making a spacer to run my OEM 4.56 gears.....:smokin:

how much??