Hi guys,

I know my title is not really giving a good idea of the subject of my post:flipoff2: .

Here it is, I just bought a Toyota '95 4x4 w/3.0L 5spds... so I should be your friend now:D

It's for my daily driver so sorry if it's not a question on how to fit 2 X-case in line... but I'm sure I'll find here someones who will know the answer.

I would like to know if there is a shakels I can swap from another vehicule or something to lift the rear of about 1.5"-2". Yeah just that folks!

Thanks a lot for that entry-level question. So don't flame me!!! :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Yo:D

there is a newbie section right?

Canadians :rolleyes:
Yo? Dont you mean, eh?

Originally posted by 2stroke
there is a newbie section right?

I thought so too:confused: must be gone, no one is gay enough to post here if we had a noob section right?
1.5"-2". measure your shackle, and say it's 4" eye to eye, go get some miles steel, cut it and drill the 8 holes at 8" eye to eye, a 2" longer shackle will get you 1" lift, so 4"longer is 2" lift, cost, about $5 in steel strap.

In my opinion, 1" is about all you should go with a shackle lift. A 2" lift means a 4" longer shackle, and that would scream "Bootie-fab". If you want longer shackles, you need to buy them or make them. If you want a 2" lift for cheap, buy some lift blocks and new U-bolts (about $80 total).

so an 8" shackle is booty fab? and yet budbuilt sells 8" long shackles? give me a fawking break.. i run 8" shackles out back and they work JUST FINE and there is nothing wrong with them. they are made out of 3/8ths and i doubt i will ever bend them in any way.

Just like SeAbASS44 said.... (Sorry Darrin , I could resist)

Measure your shackles and go get some 3/8 flat bar x 1 1/2"ish flat bar drill some hole in it. The rear can be straight flat bar but the front will require you to bend a jog in them or install some spacers on the spring side of the shackle.

The other option is to buy some already made with new hardware like www.sky-manufacturing.com offers.

One more option which I ran for quite a while was I just took the OEM shackles, cut them in half, then welded in a 2" extension. Yes its bootie fab, but it will get you buy until you can buy/make some nice single plate shackles.

Toyotas don't have a quick lift like the XJ / MJ shakle swap that you might be thinging of. Well atleast not that I know of.

Originally posted by 4RnrRick
..........

One more option........

you mean like this?...lol, yes it's my rig, Pat made these and they were on when I bought it, no real need to replace them, ain't like they will break:eek:

Originally posted by suv
In my opinion, 1" is about all you should go with a shackle lift. A 2" lift means a 4" longer shackle, and that would scream "Bootie-fab". If you want longer shackles, you need to buy them or make them. If you want a 2" lift for cheap, buy some lift blocks and new U-bolts (about $80 total).

ya lift blocks, the correct way right:rolleyes: :rolleyes: for a poser street rig, and then maybe.

I ran a 95 Toy pickup for a daily driver...installed a set of Ranch LONG/soft-type addaleafs in the rear. Leveled it nicely, and added some haul capacity.

Long shackles on a daily driver are dangerous, 2" overstock is about all that's recommended, and that's only 1" lift at the axle.

I might have a pair of 1-2" blocks in the garage too, came off a Toy pickup I stripped....good steel/cast one (not alum) and include the dimple/pin for locating. Just need longer u-bolts them.

PM me if interested, $20 plus frt. from 54915 (Wisconsin) Could shoot a digi for ya tonight.

However, blocks are a sure fire wrap issue for an offroad rig....IMO, poor idea unless this is a street ride. (rig they were on had 4" skyjackers too....pinion moved about 6" up!!)

Originally posted by suv
If you want a 2" lift for cheap, buy some lift blocks and new U-bolts (about $80 total).

This has got to be the first time I have ever seen lift blocks being recommended as the correct permanent way to lift a vehicle. JMHO, go with a set of add-a-leafs for a mild lift, and then get some slightly longer shackles if the add-a-leaf is a bit short of the 2" you want. IIRC, Toys use 2.5" wide springs. So any shackle for a 2.5" wide spring should work (chevy, isuzu, etc).
________
SUZUKI VX 800 SPECIFICATIONS (http://www.suzuki-tech.com/wiki/Suzuki_VX_800)

Originally posted by SeaBass44


you mean like this?...lol, yes it's my rig, Pat made these and they were on when I bought it, no real need to replace them, ain't like they will break:eek:

Sheesh. Not much angle on that shackle at all. Wonder how stiff it rode:confused:

Nevermind the shackle...im diggin' those mudflaps. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by SASToy


Sheesh. Not much angle on that shackle at all. Wonder how stiff it rode:confused:
near stock angle, stock springs, rides nice.

Originally posted by SeaBass44

near stock angle, stock springs, rides nice.

must be the angle of the pic, makes it look close to vertical

I think T100 shackles give 1-2 inches. Measure some :flipoff2:

Originally posted by SASToy


must be the angle of the pic, makes it look close to vertical ya, but stock is pretty stright, longer it gets, strighter it gets too, but it does ride well, as well as a 16 wide pothole grabin tire can ride:D

Originally posted by SeaBass44
you mean like this?...lol, yes it's my rig, ......


Yeap, just like those but a bit shorter..... Keep an eye on those, after some hard wheel'n I actually found cracks in my welds when I finally got around to installing my SKY Boomerang shackles. Oh wait - you don't wheel that toy - you just cruize those malls in it! :D





Oh and someone made a comment on some 3/8" thk 8" long shackles are bomb proof ----- I say yeah what ever, I actually bent a pair or 3/8 thk 6" long shackles. I don't remember but I think I did that on the 'Con. EVERYTHING breaks eventually.

here are my D/D shackles, 1/2" thick 9.5 eye to eye, used stock hanger. They work great on and off-road.

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/chevyflexcheck/shkle001.JPG

Originally posted by 4RnrRick



........ you just cruize those malls in it! :D




...........

I don't get on the trail as often as I would like, that is true:( here are a few mall pics, this year at the mall, I was helping this sami out in the box at the mall, he poped a bead and no room to use a jack, so I drove in and winched onto his cage and lifted his pass front tire off the ground so he could get air in it, then broke the wimpy stockj 44 just pulling out:rolleyes: com awn 60!

last year same parking space at the mall, old rig:D

Double decker parking lot, go ahead and pull in below;)

Originally posted by SeaBass44
Double decker parking lot, go ahead and pull in below;)

Do they charge a toll fee when you park in the lower level?:flipoff2:

nuttin screams ghetto bootie fab like a shackle lift. I do some fine ghetto fab myself but a shackle lift......well I never, nor would I ever. What do ya want, 2 inches? slap an extra leaf in it or do the block thing, I think you can get a 2 inch ghetto rear lift at advance for like 25 bux with u-bolts and blocks but I know nothing of its quality. It is likely crap but may be just what yer lookin for.

Originally posted by psychobilly
nuttin screams ghetto bootie fab like a shackle lift. I do some fine ghetto fab myself but a shackle lift......well I never, nor would I ever. What do ya want, 2 inches? slap an extra leaf in it or do the block thing, I think you can get a 2 inch ghetto rear lift at advance for like 25 bux with u-bolts and blocks but I know nothing of its quality. It is likely crap but may be just what yer lookin for.

twins? 2 recomending retard blocks:D WTF:confused:

Id run a 2 inch block before I did a shackle lift anyday of the week. Although both can be considered retarded by a few individuals a 2 inch block will pass inspection in my home state of pa, a ghetto booty fab shackle lift will not, thus making the ghetto booty fab shackles a little higher on the retard scale cuz from the sound of it this thing is a street machine. Thats WTF Along them same lines I see you got leafs on yer rig, you know a small block on the back will add leverage to help the spring twist as it flexes? what is so retarded about that? blocks get retarded when you put em on the front, stack em or have more than 3 inches of em.

Originally posted by psychobilly
..............a small block on the back will add leverage to help the spring twist as it flexes? what is so retarded about that? .............

You get axle wrap from blocks, they in no way help.

blocks can give you more wrap indeed which is why you keep em small, not gonna argue that. Since you brought up axle wrappin; you probably know this already but i will throw it out anyway, a major cause of axle wrap is when the spring perches start to smash or round down on the ends, this is especially problematic if you run real soft springs like most of us do. To prevent this weld gussets on the open ends of the spring pad before they mash or if you have a small block in there just weld it to the pad, it will be indestructable. This will work wonders in reducing axle wrap. on a street machine the ever so slight increase of axle wrappin leverage caused by the blocks would go unnoticed.

Originally posted by psychobilly
.......... To prevent this weld gussets on the open ends of the spring pad ......
yup, many, many here do just that, but since this is the newbie section, go deal bringing it up;) might help some out. My jeep has like 10" long shackles on it, were when I bought it, and I see no ill afects with 39.5's on the street on the trail ect. Has gay ass buggies too, but I'm chucking them, they are chained up for the street, and I never unchained them, or saw a need too. I will be extending the frame a bit more due to the way it is setup now with the buggy, and going to a shorter shackle if need be. I may run a retarded 2" block to level my rig out for the 44"s, but I am in no way recomending one or saying I am doing the right thing, lol, may jest get some different rear leafs for more lift, I have 52" chevys, off a 80 2wd chevy. soft and work well, very flat.

Originally posted by psychobilly
blocks can give you more wrap indeed which is why you keep em small, not gonna argue that. Since you brought up axle wrappin; you probably know this already but i will throw it out anyway, a major cause of axle wrap is when the spring perches start to smash or round down on the ends, this is especially problematic if you run real soft springs like most of us do. To prevent this weld gussets on the open ends of the spring pad before they mash or if you have a small block in there just weld it to the pad, it will be indestructable. This will work wonders in reducing axle wrap. on a street machine the ever so slight increase of axle wrappin leverage caused by the blocks would go unnoticed.


WTF!
http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/emocon/wacko.gif

over yer head eh, its ok I understand.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by psychobilly
over yer head eh, its ok I understand.:flipoff2:


No, I clearly understand how leverage works, but apparently you don't.
http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/texas_flip.gif

Just toss 2" block under there..shiat..

If pro comp and trailmaster and all those companies can sell 100k lifts a year with lift blocks in the kit to pavement pounders, I'm sure a daily driver with 2" blocks will be just FINE. The 3.0 doesn't have enough power to make axle wrap a real issue. Sure blocks aren't the best thing in the world, but its but a basic daily driver...throw em under there and call it done. I don't understand why this thread even exists.:confused:

you dont think the 3.0 can make axle wrap an issue? shit dude you should see my wrap from my 4 banger ! im wondering why i dont break ujoints like crazy

Well thanks for all theses inputs guys...

I think I'll go for a leaf, seams to be the best thing to do. Besides yesterday I full the small fuel tank for the first time and realised how much the "but" of my truck has droped... then I said WTF!!!! And if it's not enough, I'll fab myself some 1" lift shakels to do the rest of the job.

Thanks

No, I clearly understand how leverage works, but apparently you don't.
yeah you may understand leverage but ya still dont understand the post. Dont make me explain and make ya look silly.:confused: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by psychobilly

yeah you may understand leverage but ya still dont understand the post. Dont make me explain and make ya look silly.:confused: :flipoff2:

Nothing to explain, you think blocks are better than shackles. I was told that long shackles would make my truck handle like shit, well I am glad I didn't listen to people like you that talk out there ass. Blocks suck and are for posers and show trucks, wait show trucks are posers.:flipoff2:

diggin a hole

Originally posted by psychobilly
diggin a hole

and your gay blocks aint gonna get you out

Originally posted by IronClad
you dont think the 3.0 can make axle wrap an issue? shit dude you should see my wrap from my 4 banger ! im wondering why i dont break ujoints like crazy

Hell no it won't make axle wrap an issue on a street pounder with p235s.:rollseyes:

Originally posted by EXO


and your gay blocks aint gonna get you out
Ya know it's the Noob section when blocks are thought of as "correct" way of doin things, think he should try posting that in General or toy minis and see how bad he is flamed:D fawk it, I just added him to ignore, obvious he ain't sayin nothing worth listin too:rolleyes:

did you go pick up the packages darren?

blocks are ok as long as its yer last resort to getting lift and no more than 2 inch STEEL blocks:flipoff2:

yep, its the newb section and yer correct you bunch of backwards argue for the sake of arguing know it all fawlks. keep yer ghetto booty shackles but according to state inspection laws that I am familiar with (it is a steet vehicle is it not) 2 inches is the maximum amount a shackle can be over stock for safety reasons. You wanna scrape your ghetto ass shackles over the rocks I dont give a shit but those who know WTF their talking about say it is unsafe on the road so my answer is correct, anyone who would reccomend extending a shackle 4 inches for a street machine dont know sheeitt and should be as you say "selected" should they ever get into a slide while driving. If this was about a rock or trail only vehicle you would have a leg to stand on and I would of let the shackle thing slide but guess what, it aint and its not posted in the general or toy forum. I dont think you guys are as stupid as you seem, ya just dont know any better.:flipoff2: I feel better now.:flipoff2: :D to bad your single track mind will never read this.

Originally posted by EXO
did you go pick up the packages darren?

blocks are ok as long as its yer last resort to getting lift and no more than 2 inch STEEL blocks:flipoff2:
the t case showed up, can't belive ya used a cardboard box ya boner:flipoff2: holiday today so I;ll go get the trand tomorrow, and I went and drove all the way to south lake tahoe yesterday to get some new 44" TSLs:D bet withthe 4" blocks I got 4sale I could fit them on anything:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
P.S. ignore mode is so cool:D


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=21888

then please explain the problems with longer shackles


are they going to break? bend? cause yer axle to???? what is bad about a shackle? it allows for more droop and helps correct yer pinion angle

whats the bad things about a block? uf thier not steel they can explode and cause yer u bolts to come off which causes yer axle to come which causes people to die. they allow more lvereage on yer leaf springs which cause yer leaf springs to crack and bend which then cause them to fall apart and kill people


please explain what is bad about a long shackle, besides them hanging on rocks which i would take anyday over gay blocks


all you do is say thier bad, why are they bad? atleast we back up our statements with facts

i feel better cause you make me laugh at how stoopid you are:flipoff2:

its all i had to put it in, the duct was the strength factor along with the insurance :flipoff2:

I know you aren't flaming me EXO....but if its just your daily driver.....toss some 2" blocks and call it good....or get some addaleaves.....or make a 8" shackle or something.

They're all relatively safe if done right.:flipoff2:

being that I have to explain it shows your ignorance. Yes a longer shackle will be more likely to bend or as I have seen happen increase the amount of force on the mount and cause them to rip off the frame. The added length will destroy bushings alot faster and as we all should know when the bushings wear out we get a real sloppy steering or ass end. The added length increases this slop and makes for an acident waiting to happen. Even when the bushings are good there is more slop in the steering (unless you run a panard arm) with a longer shackle, in which case a ghetto shackle would be just fine and dandy for street use but still not legal in many states. An aluminum block is about the gayest fawkin thing I have ever heard and to think you would even mention it should be an insault on your offroad intelligence, use a steel block and weld it in, what part of that was unclear? Or do you some how think I ment to weld an aluminum block to the sping pad you silly goose, judging from your post I wouldnt doubt it. I feel dumber for reading this crap you post, you guys are barkin up the wrong tree but feel free to continue, I rather enjoy it. Seabass, your missing alot of fun buddy, click me back on and come back your buddy up, he really needs your help here....haha Its because of dumbass's who do this kind of stuff that we have such crazy stupid lift laws in my state so forgive me if I find you guys striking a nerve here, I get harrased for 31's on my DD and I have numb nuts like you to blame for it. You called me out and I have answered, now tell me what is so wrong with a 2 inch block on the street, and before you do let me mention that a whole google load of fords and dodges had larger than 2 inch blocks from the factory, even the rangers with the super soft back leafs so you better think befoe ya speak cuz billy will call ya on it. The only thing you can call me on is mt spellin and ghramer but since I already did it you dont even got that now do ya.
with love,
psychobilly

Originally posted by psychobilly
being that I have to explain it shows your ignorance.
with love,
psychobilly

Well, asshat....you just made my ignore list. Learn to play nice or go away.

its funny cause ive used both and never had problems with PROPERLY BUILT LONG SHACKLES but blocks constantly fawk my springs up

Originally posted by KC_JoNeS


Well, asshat....you just made my ignore list. Learn to play nice or go away.
give um a link to JU:flipoff2:

Originally posted by SeaBass44

give um a link to JU:flipoff2:

I will just send asses like that to www.t4x4pickup.com

Originally posted by KC_JoNeS


I will just send asses like that to www.t4x4pickup.com Gezzzzzzzzzzzzz he will become the resident expert to those clowns:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Originally posted by psychobilly
We have such crazy stupid lift laws in my state

with love,
psychobilly

Well there is the problem, you live in a fawked up state!
http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/texas_flip.gif

Originally posted by SeaBass44
Gezzzzzzzzzzzzz he will become the resident expert to those clowns:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I beg to differ. Engine builder frequents that spot as well as Roger Brown, and various other smart folk. But, he will fit in fine with all of the backwash that frequents there as well.

Originally posted by KC_JoNeS


I beg to differ. Engine builder frequents that spot as well as Roger Brown, and various other smart folk. But, he will fit in fine with all of the backwash that frequents there as well.

ya know I wasn't referin to them;)

Well, asshat....you just made my ignore list. Learn to play nice or go away.
Well, I didnt start the whole thing its just a case where for a change you guys are wrong and dont want to admit it, Ive played nicer than most of you fellas do when you start thinkin your superior to the newbie. So put me on ignore, I think its great, kinda like a surrender cuz you know youve been beatin and dont want to admit to it. I havent had this much fun on a stupid pooter for a long time, watchin you guys tuck your tails between yer legs and hide behind the ignore button beats the hell outa all them lesbian porn sites Ive been frequenting. Oh and I am sure I aint anywhere near as smart as these people you talk of on these other boards, I came to pirate my first time to ask a stupid newbie question cuz I knew this is where I could get an answer, unlike a few of you however, I know when I dont have a clue. :flipoff2: Just my take on it, again sucks you guys cant read this, maybe ya could save a lil face by saying yeah, I did start it and yes you make a point ( I know you guys did make a pont but it just didnt fit this thread...sorry) but it is so much easier to hide aint it.

no hideing and you kinda made a point but i have never experienced problems like you list, sure bushings can wear out sooner but were not talking about a 16 inch shackle. if we were THEN you could have a a valid point, of course there is a point to which a shackle ican be too long. at that time THEN you should go to a block, and build the shackle out of some 3/8 or 1/2.



you think you are right just becuase you EXAGERATED your point which is correct, but what length shackle would you need to even begin experiencing these kinds of problems? thats why you are WRONG


whos hiding?

cool, well done, your al-ite. So we agree we both make a point, mine being you shouldnt go with shackles 4 inches over stock (be about what 9-10 inches or so?)yours being you shouldnt use a 2 inch lift block. Both assumptions are correct at different times and many props for you to recognise it. As far as length and height, 2 inches over stock shackle length is generally accepted as the max for safe highway driving, can you get by with longer sure.... but if its a street beater why would you want to risk it and is it really done right? blocks are accepted as safe on the street up to 5 inches, not that I would reccomend that to anyone either but hey to each their own ya know. Now this poor fella who started this thread is like WTF is happening here. Sorry for the hijack, do your add a leaf buddy, go to the local car quest and get a couple new centering pins and slap another leaf in there I think you will find it to be just what you need.

hey kc an seabass come outa hiding I dont think I wanna accept your surrender just yet. Oh and about this
I will just send asses like that to www.t4x4pickup.com
you could of done alot better.


35%kc and seabass's homepage (http://www.hipforums.com/forumdisplay.php3?FID=33) 35%

now come on, you gonna let this noob do that to you?

hey seabass---rainbow power buddy, how you like that ignore option now cuz you been made a bitch. I also like that ignore link you posted, trying to save a little grace are ya.
TTT

Damn Fishfry, And you ragged on me about my mud truck:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: .........Nice craftsmanship:shaking:

That's a whole new meaning to the:rainbow: community.....:laughing: :laughing:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by SASToy


must be the angle of the pic, makes it look close to vertical
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then we get mr hats (seabass) reply
ya, but stock is pretty stright, longer it gets, strighter it gets too, but it does ride well, as well as a 16 wide pothole grabin tire can ride

boy aint you just a treat. you make this so easy you know that, how bout an explination on this one, you talkin of your spring or your shackle. Judging from your supreme craftsmanship (no wait it was bought not built...hmmm) I would bet your talkin of your spring

Ohh, one of them there wannabe crawler knowitall kind.........That don't really know schitt............What's the word for those ?...........POSERS !!!:flipoff2:

oh oh oh, i wanna see, lemmi lemmi see, so we have covered that it is illegal where you live to have long shackels, we have covered how gay blocks are, and we are still going.....add-a-leaf. end of story. and i may be new, but i know shackels should not be anywhere new vertical, or excesively long, me i think 6" eye to eye is enough, blocks, nah, get different springs or add a leaf. so both you quit flaming and lets get some info out of this forum. i know all of you are all about wheeling and know a hell of a lot more than i do, but im here for the tech talk, not the shit talk

although i am guilty of this myself.......no comment

peace

on the front i run 7 1/2 " shackles and i run 8 " shackles on the rear ( eye to eye measurements) no ill handling effects.. i run rears up front with a single addaleaf. my springs up front are SOFT AS FUCK i completely max out a 14" shock (set 4/10) i dont have hardly any body roll on road and no slop in my steering ( xover with double passenger side arm).. yeah.. shackles are bad.. my rears are 4" longer than stock and my fronts are 3 and a half longer.. psychobilly yer a fuckin asshat that doesnt know what he's talkin about.. blocks are BAD i had a friend spit his STEEL blocks out on the street !

Originally posted by psychobilly
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by SASToy


must be the angle of the pic, makes it look close to vertical
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Then we get mr hats (seabass) reply


boy aint you just a treat. you make this so easy you know that, how bout an explination on this one, you talkin of your spring or your shackle. Judging from your supreme craftsmanship (no wait it was bought not built...hmmm) I would bet your talkin of your spring

You want to keep this shit up, what a :rainbow: ?

Well post a pic of your rig, if ya got one, a rig that is. I have found that those that post the most shit talk, are kids that mommy and daddy just bought a truck for and that think they are the shit, that or they are full of it. You will probably have some immature come back or will say I don't have a digital camera.

try the search option to see my rig or look around in the general tech forum, here let me give you a link http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197436
and here is the daily driver

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=209194
not the best mochines out there no doubt but their built not bought, everytning fabed by me not one kit or adapter and not bought by mommy, so now what you got for me.

If you look back I did reccomend an add a leaf but still am correct when I say that them huge ass ghetto fabbed shackles are unsafe on the street weather you think they handle bad or not and if you guys who run them like them so be it but that dont make it right. about the block your friend either stacked em, had it on the front, used chicken wire to hold em in, used a huge ghetto block or just plan old didnt tighten the u-bolts and try to prove me wrong I will ruin you. How hard is it to understand that a gay ass block is safer on the street than a ghetto shackle, how bout doin some research on the shit and find 1 state that will allow a longer shackle than a lift block...find me 1 or how bout this, probably well over a million trucks left the factory with steel blocks in the rear, find 1 incident were one of the steel blocks broke on the street and caused an accident. Then come back here and tell me you know what your talking about.

I did that search, you are just a mud hound.............

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/psycobilly.jpg

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/psycobilly002.jpg

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/psycobilly003.jpg

see the dual cases dip shit that is for rock not mud. look a lil further if you think it will somehow make me less right. Your pullin shit out your ass turd burgler, trying to save what little grace you may have left but you keep diggin these holes, I am impressed with how much you like to make yourself look stoopid now surrender or find something to back your gay ass shackles up....real back up not..wahhh wahhh my buddy had a block break......whaaa axle wrap....whhhaa you drove in a mud hole whaa whhaaaa
along them lines also look at the first page on my site....see that little copyright thing mentioned there. hmmmm These pics dont have my tag on them and it appears you have saved them on a site of your own, shall I give you a link to copyright laws or shall I ask for an apology or are you going to ask my permission or shall I sue you, you really are a dumb ass aint you.

Below is a link to one of your mud pages from your site where you speak of BUILDING a mud pit and have mud pics does this mean your a mud hound? Get back on topic this is about fab and gay shackles and a street truck not my rig or your rig or anybodys but the guy who asked the origional question. If you wanna bring our rigs in this i was lookin over your site and oh man is there some shit on there I can call you on but I will keep on topic until you force me otherwise. So what else you got.....

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/Dansmudhole.htm

Well, I wondered how a simple thread about 2 inch lift shackles could have turned into a 3 page festival, now I know :rolleyes:

How about this. 1 inch block, welded to perch, and 1 inch lift shackle. Then you have 2 inches, both techniques are 100% safe and sturdy, and everyone is fawking happy :rolleyes:

Anyways, a 1 inch lift shackle on Toys ALWAYS helps the flex. The stock shackles are just too short, even for stocker springs.

Of course, if he's just trying to solve the famous 4Runner butt problem, then maybe he should make some custom body mounts, that are 1 inch in back, 0 inches in front, and tapered along the length. Then he'll sit flat, and not have any of those DANGEROUS suspension modifications :shaking:

Originally posted by Pazuzu
Well, I wondered how a simple thread about 2 inch lift shackles could have turned into a 3 page festival, now I know :rolleyes:

How about this. 1 inch block, welded to perch, and 1 inch lift shackle. Then you have 2 inches, both techniques are 100% safe and sturdy, and everyone is fawking happy :rolleyes:

Anyways, a 1 inch lift shackle on Toys ALWAYS helps the flex. The stock shackles are just too short, even for stocker springs.

Of course, if he's just trying to solve the famous 4Runner butt problem, then maybe he should make some custom body mounts, that are 1 inch in back, 0 inches in front, and tapered along the length. Then he'll sit flat, and not have any of those DANGEROUS suspension modifications :shaking:

You never cease to make me laugh, paz.

But i agree. I say since dirkdoo here wants to lift the assend of his daily driver so bad....pull out the axle....grind off the perches and put in taller ones and make longer shackles while you're at it.

Point is: its your daily driver....there is zero tech in this thread and most everyone doesn't give a fawk how bad your runner's ass sags. Just leave it alone if you need to post on pirate asking how to lift it. This thread is gaaay.:flipoff2:

HA...... I get flamed for my rig and yall are running 8 inch and longer shackles? I have 6 inches up front and I have snapped BOTH front main leafs........ one of them twice. Legal in ohio is 4 inch steel blocks..... and 2 inch shackle....... so obviously they trust blocks more than shackles too.....

Oh and dumbass......... mud hound........ whats this... do I see rocks, with his dd?
http://www.angelfire.com/rock3/trailbuggie/images2/murph206.jpg

Whats this? Do I see rocks for a good cuase?
http://www.angelfire.com/rock3/trailbuggie/totsrun03.html

If I remember correctly..... it was mud that made our sport go, and only over the past few years has rock crawling became popular.....

I find this thread quite entertaining but I would seeing how I was called retarded, called out and made the accusers look like a bunch of backwards know-nothing turdburglers who hide cuz they cant back up their retarded tech (sept for exo he is al-ite and was a man about it). I read them flame poeple, most of who dont know any better when all they want is an answer to a simple guestion(although some deserve it) and in turn these guys come here and talk like they have a clue, which only leads to them showing they really dont so now its their turn. Aside from that yeah...its kinda gay...especially the link to kc and fishshits homepage.......

Originally posted by psychobilly

Below is a link to one of your mud pages from your site where you speak of BUILDING a mud pit and have mud pics does this mean your a mud hound? Get back on topic this is about fab and gay shackles and a street truck not my rig or your rig or anybodys but the guy who asked the origional question. If you wanna bring our rigs in this i was lookin over your site and oh man is there some shit on there I can call you on but I will keep on topic until you force me otherwise. So what else you got.....

http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/Dansmudhole.htm


Wow.... i see why these guys dis the mud so much now.... they dont have real mud around there... thats a mere mud puddle.
Dont get me wrong i've stepped up from my days of Bogging... but the stuff I ran back in the day was real mud.... thick, gooey... clay... that it took torque, gearing, and tire to get through, not stuff that a locked 2wd s10 or ranger on 235/14's could get through.

I do not wish to cuase any more argument sin this thread.... just letting you know I understand why this is a rock board and not a mud board.... just like we dont have a shit load of rocks out east, yall dont have a shit load of mud out west.

I take it that ratbasTURD has surrenderd also. Still waiting for you to ask me permission on them pics buddy but clock is tickin.

Originally posted by broncula


Wow.... i see why these guys dis the mud so much now.... they dont have real mud around there... thats a mere mud puddle.
Dont get me wrong i've stepped up from my days of Bogging... but the stuff I ran back in the day was real mud.... thick, gooey... clay... that it took torque, gearing, and tire to get through, not stuff that a locked 2wd s10 or ranger on 235/14's could get through.

I do not wish to cuase any more argument sin this thread.... just letting you know I understand why this is a rock board and not a mud board.... just like we dont have a shit load of rocks out east, yall dont have a shit load of mud out west.


Yea I did the mud thing back when I had 31"s but I grew out of it, no technical value.
Here are links to better pics of us getting dirty......we just wheel stock ponds

link 1 (http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/main/funpage5A.htm)

link 2 (http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/main/funpage6A.htm)

link 3 (http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/main/Bebee103p1.htm)

link 4 (http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/freddys001.htm)

link 5 (http://www.rock-it-land.com/southwestvoodoo/Freddys_11_03_02.htm)

:rolleyes:
nice job on the pics, that is some funny shit! I guess I can call it a victory, fishshit seems to be to scared to back up the slow tech he's offered and turd burgler has done gone went and stuck himself in a stock pond. I love this site...:flipoff2:

Originally posted by psychobilly
:rolleyes:
nice job on the pics, that is some funny shit! I guess I can call it a victory, fishshit seems to be to scared to back up the slow tech he's offered and turd burgler has done gone went and stuck himself in a stock pond. I love this site...:flipoff2:

Didn't I solve this useless arguement a few posts up? I thought so, and I expected that since the problem was solved, in a manner that would make all parties happy, that this thread could then end.

Little did I know that there would be a troublemaker who is somehow flying under the radar of the mods continuing to cause trouble in the Newbie forum, where trouble is forbidden.

Here, I'll even give another solution for the dragging ass 4Runners. Do what I did, cut most of the ass end off the truck. Suddenly, you'll be an inch to HIGH in the back.

I solved it a few pages ago but someone had to be a jerkoff to a newbie (myself) and this is what has become of it. I think i got under the radar because for a change it was a noob giving the regs some shit when they asked for it. at least that is the way I see it.

Originally posted by psychobilly
I solved it a few pages ago but someone had to be a jerkoff to a newbie (myself) and this is what has become of it. I think i got under the radar because for a change it was a noob giving the regs some shit when they asked for it. at least that is the way I see it.

No, you didn't solve it, you gave an answer that is generally accepted as WRONG. Then you proceeded to make this a name calling pissing match. You got ragged on because you came in, full of fury, and started spouting shit which is wrong. Fact is, blocks are unsafe. You can get away with a solid 1 inch block, welded to the perch, OR a whole new perch with 1 inch lift built in, but much beyond that, and they get dangerous. End of story.

Long shackles are never unsafe IF they are beefy enough. When you get really long, you should either run a crossbar between them, or make a T profile with more metal on each arm.

So, MY suggestion is to combine both in mild amounts to get what you want. Much more than 3 inches, and I would recommend new hangers front and rear.

Since you are civil about it and not name calling I have no reason to be less than civil with you and hope to keep our conversation from becoming a name calling pissing match as you call it (all I ask is the same from you, same as I expected from the others who I let insult me first) but I also ask, back it up. As you guys always say to the noobs "you say this now prove it" tell me why it is unsafe to use a 2 inch block on a street truck. You can say all you want that a ghetto shackle is safe but not once have any of you given me any proof. I have offered my proof as to what is safe on the road (remember were talking about a mostly street truck here) and I said a shackle is safe if used with the panard arms but still in many states it is not a street legal set up. If you skipped a few posts while reading this thread maybe you should go back and re-read this then explain to me I am all ears here. If you can prove your point of a 2 inch block being less safe than a 4 inch over stock shackle I will graciously accept it as the truth. Or I will accept an "ok I may have been a little mistaken" from you and call you a man for it. you make a point and offer good advice but are just a little off with the safety of a 2 inch block issue.

dude, seriously, drop it, we covered the post a long time ago...you are wasting your breath. i totally agree with you that super long shackels not only look ghetto fabbed, but can get out of hand, and be illegal, we all do im sure. blocks are a different opinion. they are same, you have coverd that, someone WILL, ALWAYS WILL ARGUE THAT!!!! so what, to each their own, you run blocks, they run shackes. its all good, you just have to find a happy medium. some shackle, some block if needed, just dont get out of hand. and fab it with not only functionability in mind, but safety also. no one here wants to talk away from a wreck their truck caused, and have the other drive, who had nothing to do with your ghetto blocks/shackels, not talk away. terrible feeling. just lay low. for real. these guys are a billion times more helpful when they arent flaming you. remember, tech talk, not shit talk.

peace, not looking for a war, just trying to mediate.

WE are not talking about super long shackles, we're talking about 2 inch lift shackles. A shackle that is 4 inches longer, but made out of a beefier material, is perfectly safe. They can float, there is no stress on them. If someone was running a 4 inch lift shackle, then yes, I would consider that dangerous. That's why I said that you should not run more than a 2 inch lift shackle AND a welded 1 inch block. If you need more, redesign the suspension (dropped spring mounts, different springs, etc).

Why is this the case? Because we have seem dozens of situations where people have cracked/spit blocks, even solid welded ones, and where people have prezeled their springs from the axlewrap that comes from blocks (that's physics, you can't escape it, blocks DO induce more axle wrap, and DO put more stress on the spring perches). Longer shackles no NOT impart any different stress on any part of the truck except the shackle itself. You could run 12 foot long shackles and the truck would not know it while articulating.

The prove is in the pudding, as they say. Experience of years of wheeling from thousands of wheelers has shown that shackle lifts are safer than block lifts.

Longer shackles no NOT impart any different stress on any part of the truck except the shackle itself. You could run 12 foot long shackles and the truck would not know it while articulating.

well you are quite wrong there and we all know it (correct about articulating though) so do I really need to argue it....no reread posts. Again too when did we start talking about shackles not good for articulating, I have said they are fine off the highway which is the only point your making with all this nonsense and that my friend I have already covered so make a point? reread the previous posts and who says I use a block (I have, 2 inch with no probs but have since ditched the leafs and am doing a link and coil jobby) read posts. You seem to know what your talking about but it also seems like your trying very hard to give me grief and boarding on making yourself look alot less knowledgable than I know you are. You are saying things I have covered and mostly agree with and trying to make it seem otherwise; your also dragging this thread out longer which you claim to have a problem with. reread, rethink and if you ask me to prove your quote wrong it is real easy but I would rather not go down that road again as we have covered most (but not all) of it already.


*EDIT#2* I just noticed that oregon ford dude made that first post....was thinking it was pazuzu's comeback, zuzu, reread and again real proof or none at all, I have never seen proof in the pudding unless your talking about the engineers at manufactures who use blocks in the rear of many many many pickups instead of longer shackles. Why because they are responsable for their fab and a shackle will cause accidents. Or maybe that most states and inspection laws will not allow for more than a 2 inch longer (not lift) shackle, many states have made it entirely illegal to alter a shackle in any way because of their ill effects and a history of accidents caused by or aggrivated by their failure. That is proof in the pudding for highway safety and it has been covered so again back it up or for a lack of better terms....shut up, let it end I see no one having anything more usefull to add to this post.

Reread and consider what the question is asking, "how should I lift the rear of my STREET truck" if it was used for mostly offroad you pazuzu would be entirely and total correct with your solution and there is no doubt about it you offered the best suggestion on here if such were the case, maybe you have over looked what the question was asking and assumed we were talking about a trail rig here? thats the only thing I can figure because otherwise you seem to know your shit.

:eek: I can't believe a actually read all 4 pages !!!
couldn't help myself kinda like finding a huge pile of shit and feeling compelled to poke it with a stick!!:laughing: :laughing:

Originally posted by psychobilly
Reread and consider what the question is asking, "how should I lift the rear of my STREET truck" if it was used for mostly offroad you pazuzu would be entirely and total correct with your solution and there is no doubt about it you offered the best suggestion on here if such were the case, maybe you have over looked what the question was asking and assumed we were talking about a trail rig here? thats the only thing I can figure because otherwise you seem to know your shit.

This site isn't about or for street trucks.

This site isn't about or for street trucks.

I agree totally. However it was with this question and if ya sort through all the shit with a stick..:D you will see it was answered. Thanks guys for goin easy on me. If no one else has anything to say about me I am done with this thread and gettin back to workin on my junk, submittin some shit fer patent and lookin at lezbo porn. Busy man I am.
The End.