If anyone is thinking about or plans on using that P.O.R. Paint product ( paint over rust) consider yourself warned about painting on smooth metal. They are not kidding when they say the product should be applied to a rough surface either sanded or sand blasted!!!!! Just using a wire wheel to clean the gunk off the surface is not enough the wire wheel tends to polish and smooth the metal which means you will spend 8 years trying to get the damn paint to stick :mad3: I know most guys aren't too concerned with appearances but just in case you or someone you know is thinking about it just wanted to pass the info on. Otherwise the product is incredible and does a fantastic job albeit the high price :(