I am in the middle of my yota project and was wondering how low is to low or beyond the point of using low range? 300 : 1?:D :D

i wheel with a few guys who are around 400. i am at 300. whatever ya want just don't drive around alll day in low low and hold every body up. it all about options.

Well I'll start by saying that I think that anything over 100:1 gearing is to low of gearing (keep in mind I live in Oregon). I know a lot of you don't agree but this has been my experience.

good point...really depends on the trails where you live.


100:1 at places like the hammers and you will toast a clutch

100:1 on muddy trails is probally great

100:1 in the little sluice is probally no fun

100:1 on helderado just ain't gonna happen

100:1 in sand dune would be stupid


remeber though if you have 200:1 you also have 100:1 as a option. just shift. but if you only have 100:1 as your lowest than thats it. no more options

it depends on what motor you are running, what size tires you are running, etc. :smokin:

Originally posted by camo
good point...really depends on the trails where you live.


100:1 at places like the hammers and you will toast a clutch

100:1 in the little sluice is probally no fun

100:1 in sand dune would be stupid






:confused: I've done all the Hammerz, LS, and air"d out many a sand hill......:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Now, my sig line was born at the Hammerz, My motor is toast from run'n dunes @ 7 grand, and my truck is total'd from being roll'd 19 times..... From "cream puff" to "scrap" in just under two years:skull: :skull: :skull:

I've been fine so far with a 42.5:1 low range...though I would love to go lower. Damn V6 yota chain drives. Costs way more than I am prepared to spend for slower speeds-need to swap to a gear driven case, get a tranny to tcase adapter, then get the second case, then get 2 new d shafts, new crossmembers, skid plates...too much!
I guess I can keep livin with it this way and Ill just have to :smokin: the clutch every now and then. Maybe I'll look into a klune V underdrive.

Brandon

thats funny
toy case too expensive then says klune:)

I've got 310:1 in the Isuzu and that's about to go to 370:1 with r&p swap. Camo nailed it though, it's not all about how low but the options you get. With a 2.28 and a 4.0 you get some 2.28 and 4.7 you get more. I went 4.0 and 4.7 I've got a lot of evenly spread out coverage.

I spend a whole lot of toodling on the trail at ~70:1.

Realistically though, anything beyond 200:1 is gravy. Is 400:1 usable, yes it has it's places but even the crawlmaster himself would tell you, "You can't crawl everything".

But then again Unimogs and the like have 3000:1 gearing. Come to think of it isn't Marlin at 1047:1?

How long before someone stacks 4 cases?

Hey, mj, I'm not sure what the klune costs, but the toy dual cases will be way too expen$ive for me. Let's see here: gear drive t case-~$150; V6 tranny to gear drive t case adapter $350; low range gear set -4.7:1- $650; dual case kit $450; drive shafts ~$300; offset shift kit $130; custom crossmembers and skid plates ~$200...that comes out to be about $$2230!! To me that is expensive, and if it is not for you than more power to you, and can you please spare $2230 bucks?:flipoff2:

I am 290:1 and I love it all the way.

Originally posted by camo
good point...really depends on the trails where you live.


100:1 on muddy trails is probally great



Actually, that'd be too low for mud too IMO. I think the lowest "crawl" ratio I've ever had was in my tow vehicle LOL. 3.73's, 3.06 1st, 2.72 low (~31:1). I run my mud racer in 2nd low, but if I wanted to run the same truck on a muddy trail, 1st low would probably be all I'd need for putt-putting around in the slop. And 1st low for me is ~25:1 :)

TEX

Originally posted by camo


100:1 on helderado just ain't gonna happen



Uhh, I ran 'em both at 36:1. :rolleyes:

Pete

But then again Unimogs and the like have 3000:1 gearing. Come to think of it isn't Marlin at 1047:1?

How long before someone stacks 4 cases?

Marlin had 4 at one time. I have seen him use the 1047:1 going up Surprise Canyon, the control he had gave him a much better chance of crawling up some of the waterfalls.

He has the 3 t-cases mostly to promote his business but it actually works in some situations.

Personally I like the dual case setup with a 40:1, 75:1, and around 192:1. This give you lots of options.

Steve G

Originally posted by camo

100:1 at places like the hammers and you will toast a clutch
100:1 on helderado just ain't gonna happen


He must have a 4cyl. :laughing::laughing::laughing::flipoff2:

well i am on [over 100 to 1 is just to brag on] side. i think most people that go to the 200 to 300 hundred range have read to much and not wheeled enough. i can climb straight up a wall with about 80 to 1 with a wore out 4 banger. it will do that till it flips on its back. and i don't have to kill the clutch. i have been on trail rides with folks in the 2 to 3 hundred range and i find they are mostly in the way, tring to show off the gears. plus i do find that its much easier to break shit geared that low. mike

Well, what's the lowest low of any Unimog? 1000:1??

These things were designed by some of the best to really work, be it military or agricultural or other...they didn't put in 30 forward speeds and 15 reverse just so they could post how cool they are - there was a reason. Do you personally need that? Depends I guess.

I agree...it's all about options, more=better. How a Mog driver manages 9 or 10 shifters is beyond me...but it would be fun!

Conclusion...there is no too low, like there is no too fast (or too rich or too.....)

Originally posted by Im4yotas
Hey, mj, I'm not sure what the klune costs, but the toy dual cases will be way too expen$ive for me. Let's see here: gear drive t case-~$150; V6 tranny to gear drive t case adapter $350; low range gear set -4.7:1- $650; dual case kit $450; drive shafts ~$300; offset shift kit $130; custom crossmembers and skid plates ~$200...that comes out to be about $$2230!! To me that is expensive, and if it is not for you than more power to you, and can you please spare $2230 bucks?:flipoff2:

go price the klune and then run a new $ total :eek:

nobody has brought up the point that ya dont need to go as low with an auto as yah do a manual

102:1, v-8, 38s, at 400rpm thats pretty slow. but i guess if i could go lower for cheap i would like to be able to run a little more rpm(have carb, will stall). how low you wanna go $$$$$$ :usa:

Related to the "how low is too low" is how large of a gear reduction is TOO much?

I've seen 2 to 1 gear reduction boxes(NP203 conversion). I've seen a little over 2 to 1 gear reduction boxes... and so on.

The lowest I've seen is a little over 4.7 to 1(I think it was a 5 to 1 for a Samuri)

Is there a "magic" number that is TOO much of a reduction? For example is 6 or 7 to 1 too much reduction?

Originally posted by Lil'John

The lowest I've seen is a little over 4.7 to 1(I think it was a 5 to 1 for a Samuri)

Is there a "magic" number that is TOO much of a reduction? For example is 6 or 7 to 1 too much reduction?


I think that if you only have a t-case reduction and not dual cases then you aren't giving yourself enough options. I know that I wouldn't care much for a single 6:1 t-case. With dual cases I have a total t-case reduction of 5:1 which works well becase I can switch into 'single low' and have a t-case reduction of 2.24:1 when I need some wheel speed.


:emb:

Originally posted by FULLSIZE
102:1, v-8, 38s, at 400rpm thats pretty slow. but i guess if i could go lower for cheap i would like to be able to run a little more rpm(have carb, will stall). how low you wanna go $$$$$$ :usa:

Yeah it is slow, but the main/rod bearings sure dont like it.

nobody has brought up the point that ya dont need to go as low with an auto as yah do a manual

Please, we don't need to get into that debate on this thread do we?

SG

PS Dual t-case for best flexabily is the only way to go for a rig that does different types of wheelin.

your right, if i had to replace rod and main bearings that would double what i paid for my motor!:laughing:

Originally posted by liveaxle



I think that if you only have a t-case reduction and not dual cases then you aren't giving yourself enough options. I know that I wouldn't care much for a single 6:1 t-case. With dual cases I have a total t-case reduction of 5:1 which works well becase I can switch into 'single low' and have a t-case reduction of 2.24:1 when I need some wheel speed.


:emb:

Hmm... good point. I was never a fan for the 4 to 1 single boxes:p

So, let me update my question to "How big of a gear reduction is too big for a dual case setup" ? :eek:

I'm at 25:1 so I can't really answer your question but with the automatic I can go a few places. :)

with a SM420 - T19 - Dana20 setup in my bro's Willys.... there is the potential for over 500:1........ but we decided that was probably unneccesary...... so it's just around 400...( with 4.10 diffs)...... if you want to get stupidly low gearing , dual tranny's is the way;)
personally I am at 192:1 in my suzuki.... and I like it:) ........is there such thing as too low?...... there's no way of answering that, how deep? how steep? traction?wet? dry?.... it all depends

Originally posted by BillaVista
Well, what's the lowest low of any Unimog? 1000:1??

These things were designed by some of the best to really work, be it military or agricultural or other...they didn't put in 30 forward speeds and 15 reverse just so they could post how cool they are - there was a reason. Do you personally need that? Depends I guess.No idea, but this image of a 34hp Mog sais a lot...
http://www.west-4x4.demon.co.uk/gallery/411s3.jpg
Already posted i once in the general shit-chat forum, sorry if you've already seen it.

Originally posted by AIRZUKI
with a SM420 - T19 - Dana20 setup in my bro's Willys.... there is the potential for over 500:1........ but we decided that was probably unneccesary...... so it's just around 400...( with 4.10 diffs)...... if you want to get stupidly low gearing , dual tranny's is the way;)
personally I am at 192:1 in my suzuki.... and I like it:) ........is there such thing as too low?...... there's no way of answering that, how deep? how steep? traction?wet? dry?.... it all depends

Could you post some pics of a Dual Tranny setup??

a multitude of options are what I was thinking . I am going with the stock turbo tranny , toyota crawler ( stock ) , OTT adapter , ATLAS 4.3 so Ill be right where I have been with my jeeps in the past. I have the 22re and 5.83 gears in 9" axles and it pulls good , very good . I basically live beside tellico N.C. hope to see some of you there.:smokin: :smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

248.06675......................................... .........................................?:smokin:

Could someone tell me what the text says at the top of this picture. German I suppose?

http://www.west-4x4.demon.co.uk/gallery/411s3.jpg

Well, I'm building mine for the hammer's mostly. I got the toy 4 banger and 4 speed with triple case and 4.10's in the fullwidth axles. Guess that is close to 180:1 which in my book is low enough for me, any lower and it would be pointless. I was runnin double case but when I switched from 36's to 39.5's it just wasn't low enough and the motor would die if I ran up something big. Just depends on engine, tires, and such. That is just what is gunna work well for me.