Ok after finally driving my rig, I have decided that I dont like the gate positions that come stock with the shifter. I searched around and found other replacement gate plates but they were mostly made for the drag race folks.

Here is a pic of mine the way it came, btw the number decal dosent even line up with the positions.

* I have a reverse pattern*

I wanted to be able to throw the shifter between first and reverse quickly to avoid a possible rollover backwards. The way it was I would have to run it through the gates and hope I stopped in reverse. My BEST friend Rick knocked one out for me to try this weekend. I dont have a pic of the actual part yet but here is the drawing.

Dan has bling tools to play with :D i changed my shift gates with a dremel tool :flipoff2:

I would like to see the finished deal when your done

Cut the gate stop out between 1st and reverse, that will allow you to jam from 1st to reverse with nothing in the way.


I've got the same shifter, besides being kinda clunky when shifting, it works sweet.

Just my .02 tho

I'm not too happy with the gates on my Art Carr either, I'm actually not very happy with the quality of the shifter as a whole but that's another story. Let us know how you like the shifter with the new gates. If it's a sucess PM me if your buddy would be willing to make another.

Originally posted by Wes in TN
I'm not too happy with the gates on my Art Carr either, I'm actually not very happy with the quality of the shifter as a whole but that's another story. Let us know how you like the shifter with the new gates. If it's a sucess PM me if your buddy would be willing to make another.

Why are you not happy with art carr? I am looking at buying one, just wanted to know.

Originally posted by sodaboyYJ
Cut the gate stop out between 1st and reverse, that will allow you to jam from 1st to reverse with nothing in the way.


I've got the same shifter, besides being kinda clunky when shifting, it works sweet.

Just my .02 tho

If you cut the gate out you would have nothing stopping you from going from 2nd to reverse, I have a manual valvebody I need the gates. *****essentially you want to be able to go up or down a (1) gear from your current position with out looking ot going some where random. I chose to swap the park position so that when Im in first and suddenly need reverse I can just push the shifter away and it will stop at the reverse detent. It could be done two ways.

How many time have you heard

" We were trying to jam reverse but threw it into park"
or "We threw it into neutral"


Hold on let me shoot a pic of the "test" part.

Dan

Dan -

I might be interested in one of these too if your friend is willing.
Thats the shifer I am thinking about using.

Jim

Ok, I gotcha.... I didn't think of hitting Park. My shifter is for a C-4 and it has gates for every gear. On mine I was able to cut out the stop for neutral, to lets me slap it up to reverse from 1st without geting into park by mistake.....

Sorry for the mis-info

Originally posted by rkcrawl
Dan -

I might be interested in one of these too if your friend is willing.
Thats the shifer I am thinking about using.

Jim

Ditto....

I would love one of the gates as well :D

Any idea of costs on getting a few made?

Originally posted by wildtoyota


Why are you not happy with art carr? I am looking at buying one, just wanted to know.

This (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=213530) thread explains my problems with the shifter pretty well. Basically I had to modify just about every part of the shifter to make it work. For $285 I expected alot better quality and R&D. Now that it's finally installed I'm happy with the way it shifts, I just think it was way over priced for what you get.

Ok, sorry my wife has the camera. But the gate looks just like the one in the drawing but it is rolled and made out of stainless :D . here are some other gates availible, but still not what I wanted.



http://www.wintersperformance.com/catalogs/SideWinder/08.htm


The one on the left is similar to what I have now, but numbered for reverse pattern.

Ask JR how he does it....saw him in action this weekend and he made the switch numerous times to save his Bronco...ok maybe not save the bronco but prevented him from getting real muckey wet.....

This is offtopic but since most here are using the art carr, somebody can probably help me out. I've got one for my C6 tranny. Can I just swap the face plate and reuse it for a different tranny? Say like a 4 speed intead of the C6 3 speed.

I'm not happy with any of the shifters out there, so I make my own with solid linkages and heims. They use a panel of 1/8" lexan for a gate that I whittle out on the mill. This pattern works great for rock crawling- a little risky for street use or sand dragging though.

the gate- I need to find some bling stickers for the script:D

Dan:


I don't think it's registering with people what your trying to do. It didn't with me for a second but now I understand.

If you cut the notch at N then you could straint shot from 1st to Park (not good).

I have looked at these before and it seemed to me that the left right action ment nothing other then a way to gate you. I think your idea of re machining a plate to flip the lock out to park is great. I'm surprised there is not one available. Just put some beef on the forward sprag. It's going to take a pounding!

Originally posted by Grim Reaper
Dan:


I don't think it's registering with people what your trying to do. It didn't with me for a second but now I understand.

If you cut the notch at N then you could straint shot from 1st to Park (not good).

I have looked at these before and it seemed to me that the left right action ment nothing other then a way to gate you. I think your idea of re machining a plate to flip the lock out to park is great. I'm surprised there is not one available. Just put some beef on the forward sprag. It's going to take a pounding!

Got it in, feels good. Their is no way you can go from 1st to park with out moving the shifter side to side. Im hitting the woods Sat morning.

The transmission is a full comp turbo 400 built by TCI. The sprags will be fine.

Update next week.

Dan

Originally posted by Dan Dibble


Got it in, feels good. Their is no way you can go from 1st to park with out moving the shifter side to side. Im hitting the woods Sat morning.

The transmission is a full comp turbo 400 built by TCI. The sprags will be fine.

Update next week.

Dan

Great, let us know if your buddy is interested in making a few more.

Is that the Lokar parking brake handle(or another version) How do you like it? DO you think it could be easily modified to fit a variety of applications?

Just got back from Hot Springs, Shifter was great, but the neutral gate needs to be deeper. We didnt beat on it real hard this weekend (had the family along) but we are heading to Grayrock on the 6th for a real beating. My friend Rick made this for me with his spair time, something he dosent have much of. So im afraid he cannot make any more, but Im shure if you took that drawing and your old gate to a machinist they should be able to knock one out.

Dan

i had the same issue. Air Ride aka mike from hendrix motorsports made me a custom one on his cnc mill. he probally still has the program and might be willing to make more. pm him if your intrested

fyi. mine was for a 7004r standard pattern

this is the one I made for camo.

Ok it worked awsome. Like I had said the neutral gate needed a more positive position. Here is the final plate.:D :D :D It was my first time using a power roller, cool machine. Thanks again to, Rick, Mike and David.


http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={F0EABA82-D580-4903-8D0D-27FC05F2B2F0}&exp=f&moddt=38021.6350464005

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={A0221C94-537B-49CE-8BCB-5B8184B974F2}&exp=f&moddt=38021.6350588773

http://www.fototime.com/ftweb/bin/ft.dll/standard?pictid={487B1A4D-B4DB-44A9-A212-EDA1B26C60EC}&exp=f&moddt=38021.6350728009

Nice......but TCI ?:shaking: GOOD LUCK.......

Originally posted by BUZZISCRAZY2
Nice......but TCI ?:shaking: GOOD LUCK.......

Damn dude, you dont like my motor. You dont like my transmission.

WTF do you drive mr.? I want to see your bad ass shit.:rolleyes:

Dan

Originally posted by Dan Dibble


Damn dude, you dont like my motor. You dont like my transmission.

WTF do you drive mr.? I want to see your bad ass shit.:rolleyes:

Dan


Ok, I checked out your mud truck. Its cool, now go build a rock crawler. :rolleyes:

Dan

BTW, TCI is about 30 min from my house and they have always treated me like a king. I have been running TCI transmissions for about five years with not one problem. But then again I dont have 700 hp.

Originally posted by Dan Dibble


Damn dude, you dont like my motor. You dont like my transmission.

WTF do you drive mr.? I want to see your bad ass shit.:rolleyes:

Dan

Ha ha, I put FUCK_O on Ignore the 1st week he was here, they should have banned this guy to the RETARD bus seat #1 a long time ago:flipoff2: Now stop quoting his, as I never want to see his BS again;)

I never said i didn't like your motor !! Where the hell are ya pulling that from?


As far as TCI. They are a joke......have had their converters in both for and chevy and they shit out in both, and of course they DON't back up their product.............

Hey Fishschitt , You seem to still look at my posts and still comment so guesss you iggy don'y work.........:flipoff2: :flipoff2: And have read some of your posts aswell, and you call me a dumbass......:eek: :flipoff2:

I DID NOTICE there dan that you don't have a TCI shifter.......:confused: must be good schitt.........lol..i have one you can have, they said it is over 90 days old so no warranty........:flipoff2:

Ok, sorry my wife has the camera
Taking pics of her friends, I hope !! :D :D

Pay no attention to the high-horse fools!

That is some beautiful work on that gate - sweet.

Wonder if I could get a fancy shiny gate made for my"real" gearbox :flipoff2: :flipoff2: ;)

Dan that is awesome!!

If you are up for it, id be interested in one like that for my Glide:D

PM me if you are intersted.

Originally posted by Rudezuk
Dan that is awesome!!

If you are up for it, id be interested in one like that for my Glide:D

PM me if you are intersted.

Diddo that but for a TH350 someone out there must want to make some of these for us all or am I going to have to talk to the AVN techs :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by Sapper


Diddo that but for a TH350


Ditto:D

Originally posted by coyote
Ask JR how he does it....saw him in action this weekend and he made the switch numerous times to save his Bronco...ok maybe not save the bronco but prevented him from getting real muckey wet.....

My A.C. shifter is stock. On steep climbs, it's in "3" but over to the right. It's then easy to hit "N" or push to the left for "R". Most important thing is to have your hand on the shifter, ready to act. Sometimes I do it just for practice :D

High horse fools........Gotta love da horse power....:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by JR


My A.C. shifter is stock. On steep climbs, it's in "3" but over to the right. It's then easy to hit "N" or push to the left for "R". Most important thing is to have your hand on the shifter, ready to act. Sometimes I do it just for practice :D

You have a more *experienced* hand than me;) :D . I need all the help I can get.


You guys looking for this mod, PM Air Ride he can cut them out. I had to do ugly things to get mine :eek: .

Dan

Do you know if there would be any issues with making the gates like this?

http://www.twistedfab.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/shifter1.JPG

High horse fools........Gotta love da horse power....:flipoff2: :flipoff2:


bullshit. I'm convinced after the pics that you bought that truck out of the JC Whitney catalogue :rolleyes:

Do you know if there would be any issues with making the gates like this?

http://www.twistedfab.com/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10002/shifter1.JPG


Anyone have an answer to my question?

After seein a thread here on modifying the B&M Prostick, I went and looked at my Pro-Ratchet, yup same deal but ratcheting. Two slaps of the shifter gets me from D to R and vise versa. Yes I realize that I momentarily hit N but I cant see it being there long enough to affect anything. Note though, my rig is not finished so this is all theory.

this is the one I made for camo.

Airride,

Are you able to make another one like you made for camo? Need one just like that for my 700r4. PM me and let me know $$ if you can do it.

Thanks

Sorry guys I don't have the roller anymore to form these.

bringing this back. for those of you who have made new gates, what material did you use and how has it worked?

You saw mine... just cut out the gates where I didn't want 'em.. and you can weld back in little tabs if you want to add gates..

You saw mine... just cut out the gates where I didn't want 'em.. and you can weld back in little tabs if you want to add gates..

unless your existing gate is completely worn. i'll post some pics tomorrow, but my current gate is beat and the pattern isn't as cool as the one dibble posted up, so i may as well just make a whole new one. just wondering what material will hold up. the stock gate on mine is magnetic, but very worn and NOT rusted, so i cant figure out if its some kind of stainless alloy or what. not much of a metallurgist, which is why i was wondering what material others have made theirs out of.

Mine was the same thickness as the original. It was some kind of magnetic Stainless?? 300 something. The guys in our machine shop cut it out then I took it over to the sheetmetal shop and had if hand formed. Its not a true radius.

This was the only part I kept off of my buggy when it was sold. After three years it showed very little wear.

Hopfully it will be used again next year:flipoff2:

Dan

Mine was the same thickness as the original. It was some kind of magnetic Stainless?? 300 something. The guys in our machine shop cut it out then I took it over to the sheetmetal shop and had if hand formed. Its not a true radius.

This was the only part I kept off of my buggy when it was sold. After three years it showed very little wear.

Hopfully it will be used again next year:flipoff2:

Dan

very cool. thanks. do you still have the CAD file, and are you willing to part with it?

very cool. thanks. do you still have the CAD file, and are you willing to part with it?

X2
I want one!

It'd be nice if a vendor offered something like this.

i drew one up this morning based off my old completely worn one, but want other measurements to double check mine. i also priced it on emachineshop.com and it came to $287 for one unit, and something like $315 for quantity 25.

I will see if they still have the file.

Dan

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/worn_gate.jpg
it should be pretty obvious why im not 100% confident in my measurements taken from this gate.


here's a quick pic of the gate i drew up this morning... its basically identical to dibble's. according to my old plate, gears 3, 2, & 1 are farther apart than R and N. did anyone else find this to be true, or is my old gate just that F'd?

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/pro-d_gate.jpg

here's a quick pic of the gate i drew up this morning... its basically identical to dibble's. according to my old plate, gears 3, 2, & 1 are farther apart than R and N. did anyone else find this to be true, or is my old gate just that F'd?



87JeepWrangler, I can't see your pic.
I'll PM you with my e-mail address. Please send the pic over.
I have a brand new shifter in the garage that I can go measure.
I just wanted to know which dim's you're looking for.

Thanks

87JeepWrangler, I can't see your pic.
I'll PM you with my e-mail address. Please send the pic over.
I have a brand new shifter in the garage that I can go measure.
I just wanted to know which dim's you're looking for.

Thanks

thanks, my server is acting up right now. i'll see if i can get the server up and running again, otherwise i'll email you.

thanks, my server is acting up right now. i'll see if i can get the server up and running again, otherwise i'll email you.

Sounds good.

i finally got the server back online, the pics should be working now. here's a quick rendering of the gate i drew, and the dimensions of the gates themselves.

all measurements were taken on the outside radius of my existing gate. that may or may not be the best way to measure, i dont know.

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/gate1.jpg

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/gate_dimensions.jpg

I measured my shifter.
PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send it over.

Thanks

FYI, I bought a new gate plate from Winters a month or so ago for an Art Carr shifter I picked up in the classifieds. They are contemplating making a new gate for rockcrawlers. You may just want to call them and see if you can order one. (it was $10 for the gate)

The new gate will be straight thru neutral. Don't remember who I spoke to there.

FYI, I bought a new gate plate from Winters a month or so ago for an Art Carr shifter I picked up in the classifieds. They are contemplating making a new gate for rockcrawlers. You may just want to call them and see if you can order one. (it was $10 for the gate)

The new gate will be straight thru neutral. Don't remember who I spoke to there.

do you have winters phone #? their site has been down since thursday and i'd like to give them a call tomorrow. thanks.

I'll check at the office, I don't have it here.

What ever happend with the reconfigured gate. Did anyone find someone to make this?

I need one for a 4L80E.

Thanks,
Scott

Rob drew his up in CAD and is getting it cut probably this week.

Beat95YJ do you still have that number? For $10 I'll just buy it from A-C

Rob drew his up in CAD and is getting it cut probably this week.

Beat95YJ do you still have that number? For $10 I'll just buy it from A-C

yes, i should finish cutting by the end of this week. i ended up sticking a piece of acrylic in the shifter with a straight gate, so i could locate the detents in the tranny, and mark them accordingly on the acrylic. this gave me a very accurate measurement of distances between gates. it turns out that most of the gates are equal distance apart. once i finish cutting the gate, i'll post up the CAD drawing so anyone else can grab it. here's a few pics...

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/DSCN5287.JPG

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/DSCN5290.JPG

http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/DSCN5292.JPG



and as for art carr... i called them last week because my shifter (which i bought on ebay last week) was missing one of the extruded pieces of aluminum that holds the gate in place. they told me i need to buy a new shifter, they dont sell those parts. so i called winters, they took my address and shipped it FREE of charge no questions asked. the part arrived at my house within a few days. now thats customer service. thank you winters, you have my business. http://www.wintersperformance.com/

if those gates are available through winters, someone please post up, because that would be way easier than cutting one of these. i'd be surprised if they were only $10, i'd expect them to be in the $30+ range.

this is the one I made for camo.

Mike, still have this? How much?

Doesnt Winters make them for Art Carr ?

if those gates are available through winters, someone please post up, because that would be way easier than cutting one of these. i'd be surprised if they were only $10, i'd expect them to be in the $30+ range.




http://www.wintersperformance.com/catalogs/SideWinder/08.htm

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=104893&stc=1&d=1074783197


The one on the left is similar to what I have now, but numbered for reverse pattern.


Oh and I checked on my file at work and it is gone.

Dan

yea, i've been to that page 100 times. i was referring to a gate with the pattern you had, like the one i drew up. im not aware of anyone selling one like it...

like this:
http://wehrs.no-ip.com/temp/gate1.jpg

Cool.
I bet if you make 10 you could sell them for 50.00 each. I cannot tell you how many people that drove my rig loved the shifter configuration.

Dan

Cool.
I bet if you make 10 you could sell them for 50.00 each. I cannot tell you how many people that drove my rig loved the shifter configuration.

Dan


Dan has a point....
I'd be in for one (if it were stainless).

FYI

Art Carr shifters are made by Winters.

I'd take one :smokin:

FYI

Art Carr shifters are made by Winters.


Which Art Carr are you talking about?

The one in Texas that bought his name from Reno transmission who never paid the "Real" Art Carr in Huntington Beach, CA? Then sold the name to cover the legal bills - but still never paid Art Carr.

Then sued Art for opening up his business with his own name? That now goes by California Performance Transmission in HB, CA at 714.901.3777.

Just curious - because some of the pictures of the shifters do not have the quality of the shifter I got from CPT in HB, CA.

i need one for a c4...

i need one for a c4...

CPT(Art Carr) has them for the C4 - I am running one. Reverse manual valve body with first gear compression braking.

CPT 714.901.3777

anyone ever make 1 4sale?

Yeah... I would buy one.... I need one for my Rev Pattern TH350.....

Yeah... I would buy one.... I need one for my Rev Pattern TH350.....

me too :smokin:

I have one in my bugy for a th350 with reverse valve body. It didn't line up quite right so I got out the dremel. My thought is, I want to be able to hit reverse from any gear. But still be able to to hit 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. I cut the detent between 1st and 2nd down to a small nub that way I can push past easily to go straight to reverse. I have detents on the left side so if i put presure to the left I can still hit every one. But the right side is open from reverse to 3rd except for the small nub. My thought is if you have to use horsepower to get up something you're probably not in 1st, your 2nd or third. If I start to go over backwords I can hit reverse from any gear.

anyone ever make 1 4sale?

Why don't you make them...:D

I'm still in the market for one myself... :)

trying to get Adam at AA fab to start making them. If he see a demand then he will start to make some thing. Give him a call

call winters. they sell them now.

they are exactly as dan dibble's, without the extra neutral slot.

http://www.wintersperformance.com/contact.htm

anyone ever make 1 4sale?

What kind are you talking about? Winters makes one with the reverse, rock crawler configuration pattern so you don't have to do a thing. They even offer a flange mounting option, ideally suited for a tube buggy.

OMalley

What kind are you talking about? Winters makes one with the reverse, rock crawler configuration pattern so you don't have to do a thing. They even offer a flange mounting option, ideally suited for a tube buggy.

OMalley
after another look, I can just trim 1 tab and get my r-n-3-2
locks out P & 1, that will be fine, just want to go from R-3:grinpimp:

Here is the info on the "Rock Crawler" gate that Winter's is making now...he emailed this to me after I spoke to them this morning. They encouraged me to go thru a dealer to get it so I priced it out from Art Carr, I was told it is about $28.

Since I haven't gotten around to mounting my shifter yet I think I'm going to pickup some of the side plates shown to...they are also about $28 for a pair.