Ok hear the deal I was going to use a D60 and 14 bolt I have laying in the shop but I just found wear to get some rockwells CHEAP, so now I`m looking at playing with them,
problem #1
How are you guys dealing with the high pinion with out making your rig a mile high? are you running a two part front drive line?
Problem #2
I need disk brakes at the wheels, how are you doing that? yes I have looked for pics.

Question #1
well I plan or running two steer axles, Do the stock rear axles have Detroits in them? I can get rears for a LOT cheaper than buying new detroits for the fronts.

Question #2
I was looking at fliping the hubs down to the 69.25" width but then I started think about going down to 62.25" or so by using two short side axle shafts, I have done dana`s , F9" and 14B`s but have never seen a rock done. wear are you guys cutting them at?

Thanks Duffy
Rockwell virgin

www.usa6x6.com
Cant personally recommend the business but there are some good pics

hmmm, how to deal with Rockwells...

Tie to rope, tie rope to boat, use as anchor:flipoff2:

Originally posted by d.d.machine
Ok hear the deal I was going to use a D60 and 14 bolt I have laying in the shop but I just found wear to get some rockwells CHEAP, so now I`m looking at playing with them,
problem #1
How are you guys dealing with the high pinion with out making your rig a mile high? are you running a two part front drive line?
Problem #2
I need disk brakes at the wheels, how are you doing that? yes I have looked for pics.

Question #1
well I plan or running two steer axles, Do the stock rear axles have Detroits in them? I can get rears for a LOT cheaper than buying new detroits for the fronts.

Question #2
I was looking at fliping the hubs down to the 69.25" width but then I started think about going down to 62.25" or so by using two short side axle shafts, I have done dana`s , F9" and 14B`s but have never seen a rock done. wear are you guys cutting them at?

Thanks Duffy
Rockwell virgin


Hub mounted discs are gonna cost alot, there's no way around it. I believe 6x6 carries some for about $800. But I don't know about 6x6. Why can't you run pinion? It's cheap and easy. You can run a sweet 4 piston Wilwood setup like Frankie's Offroad offers but make sure you are welded or locked front and rear, otherwise you'll spin if you lock them up.

To my knowledge the front and rear are unlocked from the factory.

You can buy narrowed Rockwells so it has definitly been done. Bu i just flipped my front hubs around and called it a day. ~$100 in machine work and new studs and your done.

Question for you sir: If you want hub brakes so badly why not run the stock drums...they are absolutley huge. If you run some badass 20's from John351C or something like that you'd be fine. (now reading back over this you couldn't run the stocks in the front if you are narrowig...hmmm)

Guardrail
I dont like the idea of running welded front and rear all the time so I plan on running detroits and I under stand that handling on the road can be a bitch at times,,, so thats why I want wheel brakes on them,,,, that and I own a machine shop and the only thang it well cost me is parts and a few days to do it right. I now it has been done and some shops sell the kits for it ,,,, but I enjoy working on my own junk and to me thats what this board is all about,, sharing ideas and tech.

P.S. all the kits I have found out there are for hubs out ,, NOT hubs in like I want ,

look up steve gerstner, now sure on the spelling, he is the one that did all the r&d for the hub disk brakes and can shorten the axles down. FAWK USA 6x6

OH next SEARCH:flipoff2:

Since You own a machine shop why dont You figure out hub in wheel brakes for the rest of us??:flipoff2:

what none of you dipsticks have came up with a hub in brake before? I now I can do it but it would be the hard way, make a new set of hubs out of alum and go with standard 8 lug chit, if the bearing have a OD that would work. hell just got in a big ass rockford shaper thats like new ,,, now internal splining is a snap.
so making the drive flanges are now longer a big deal. If I can get my hands on three rock fronts I might look at grafting a 14 bolt chunk with rock outers, might get away with resplining the rock shafts or could cut off the U-joint end and do a internal spline on it and make a custom shaft. but I`m hoping on just geting by cheap and easy with them.

I think your missing the point why a lot of people run rockwells. CHEAP

If you are so confident, it would be a very wise business venture for you to build a bunch and then sell them, especially if it converted the Rockwells to eight lug, as that would eliminate the need for custom wheels.

I do know, however, that usa6x6 has them for hubs in, so you can get ideas from how he did his (he posts quite a few pictures, which I actually have saved, if you can't find them). Keep us posted on how you go about doing this, as I am going to try to pursue the same thing once I get a chance to work on the thing (probably this summer)

The brake set-up on the hub is with the hubs flipped out because otherwise there is not an EASY way to do it..Kinda like what you were saying about making different hubs.I believe this is why Steve Gerstner's are with hubs flipped out as are other knock offs.The hubs are the flipped in don't seem to accomadate the rotor caliper package.Steve would be the best person to ask though..Anywyas, I have a friend who toyed with the hybrid 14 bolt rockwell combo except his idea was to use rockwell center with 14 bolt outers. To be exact his idea was to cut the spindles off the 14 bolt tubes. Then take the rockwell spindle and cut off the portion that wheel bearings ride on. Then press and weld the 14 bolt spindle into what is left of the rockwell spindle "flange". If I remeber seems like Camo's 60 had spindles made in a similiar fashion to accomadate his 2 inch 40 spline shafts. After pressing and welding the 14 bolt spindle he planned to bore spindle to fit rockwell shafts and then switch to 14 bolt hubs and 8 lug rotors...In the end he stopped messing with it because it started becoming more trouble than what it was worth for him. So you might look into this idea since you own a machine shop..If you come up with something or use this idea make sure to POST PICS:D

cheap and strong is why I`m going to rockwells. I`m a cheap ass and plan on running a CAD 500 :eek: ,,, so to me the big shafts and Huge knuckles are the up side to them, but the big center chunk is a the down side ,,, I would like to have the pinion lower so I can drop the powertrain down lower, Thats why I was thinking rockwell with 14B chunk,,, big and tough,, and lockers are cheap, could it get mutch better.

http://www.reallysickrigs.com/photoalbum.htm

Dual short side axles and hub mounted discs.

Originally posted by d.d.machine
Ok hear the deal I was going to use a D60 and 14 bolt I have laying in the shop but I just found wear to get some rockwells CHEAP, so now I`m looking at playing with them,
problem #1
How are you guys dealing with the high pinion with out making your rig a mile high? are you running a two part front drive line?
Problem #2
I need disk brakes at the wheels, how are you doing that? yes I have looked for pics.

Question #1
well I plan or running two steer axles, Do the stock rear axles have Detroits in them? I can get rears for a LOT cheaper than buying new detroits for the fronts.

Question #2
I was looking at fliping the hubs down to the 69.25" width but then I started think about going down to 62.25" or so by using two short side axle shafts, I have done dana`s , F9" and 14B`s but have never seen a rock done. wear are you guys cutting them at?

Thanks Duffy
Rockwell virgin


#1 put the axle infront of the engine

#2 build 20" wheels. Wheel brakes should fit in them.

#1 Most dont, some do.

#2 When you build your 20s use alot of back spacing, and/or flip and or cut the long side and use two short axles.


Good luck, Dan

I was reading the new JP mag today, they had some details of their Rockwell swap into their J-truck. This doesn't help you much if you're set on hub mounted brakes, but they used pinion brakes (claimed 320lb weight loss by ditching drums). To get a 69" width they used custom wheels with a ton of backspacing, rather than flipping the hubs. Then they could run a smaller rim than 20s. They're suing 49" IROKs.

Originally posted by stocker75
. They're suing 49" IROKs.

damn lawyers....

Yepp I get the JP mag ,,, but like most thangs in mags they only tell ya half what you need to now, but they do have some cool pics of chicks in there, :emb:

is there any place on the web to find the set up sheet for the gears on them?

Thanks for the mail so fare but I`m still thinking someone has done hubs in with wheel brakes by now,,, hell they have been making this axle for 50 years.

Try http://www.chuckstrucks.net/PARTS_FOR_SALE.HTML

They do Rockwell wheel disc brake conversions for $800 rear, $1000 front.

i just picked up my set of rockwells 2 steering.......what should i do first...hmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Originally posted by d.d.machine

Thanks for the mail so fare but I`m still thinking someone has done hubs in with wheel brakes by now,,, hell they have been making this axle for 50 years.

USA6x6 sells them

Originally posted by 4x4extreme


USA6x6 sells them
He was BANNED from this site, does that mean something:confused:http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/avatar.php?userid=4773&dateline=1073960024

Originally posted by SeaBass44

He was BANNED from this site, does that mean something:confused:http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/avatar.php?userid=4773&dateline=1073960024


Yeah I know I wasn't sure if I should post it but the guy seems like he really wants some hub in brakes so I posted it

But I would not buy anything from him because I bought a caliper bracket from him and the holes did not even line up

Originally posted by 4x4extreme



......... bought a caliper bracket from him and the holes did not even line up
reason enough not to recomend him:( :( :(

Daniel & his USA 6X6 can Suck my ass!
For your own good stay away!!!

Flip the hubs In and get a set of rims with your required backspacing from Johns351C. That would be the easiest way to make it narrow. Save your machining & Fab work for the wheel Disc's and make your own & save $$$ = My .02
Anyway Good Luck with your Rockwell project!

how come no one like 6x6?
i was gonna purchase some pinion brakes from him(thought they were a lil over prised tho)

Originally posted by blackbeauty
how come no one like 6x6?
i was gonna purchase some pinion brakes from him(thought they were a lil over prised tho)
easy 30 second search:...keyword 6x6

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=165550&highlight=6x6

Evey post by dan at 6x6 was erased, so you will only see quotes in this post below:)

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136050&highlight=6x6


http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162507&highlight=6x6

look around if you need more.

Originally posted by blackbeauty
how come no one like 6x6?
i was gonna purchase some pinion brakes from him(thought they were a lil over prised tho)

Go search for the thread where Camo got his rockwells that had been convienently sandblasted inside while still assembled - on time delivery was a bit schetchy too...

Customer service and product expectations were not met....

Matt

Edit: PS Duffy - take the time to call and talk to Steve G. like I told you before he has a good source of parts and is happy to share misc tech info (mainly because to do things right you have to have a full machine shop - and most do not...)

DAMN....im glad i read this i was about to buy some pinion brakes off him