Anyone use the system, seen it work, like it, hate it, whatever..

For those who don't get it, its a center mounted winch facing backwards that allows you to pull both front and back with only one winch, plus the weight is in the middle....

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=1871056

Here's a center mounted PTO on a BJ70 series land cruiser.

But I like the Foers setup above better, since I figured a winch set in the middle of the truck would get pretty gummed up. The Foers setup look pretty clean, other than having a winch sticking up in the middle of your truck. ;)

Now thats a puller!

I am wondering how they run the cable on these systems...

Originally posted by Mieser
Now thats a puller!

I am wondering how they run the cable on these systems...

AFAIK rope runs from winch around a snatch block at the rear, then foward through a guide tube.

To winch backward, pull the pin that anchors the snatch block and pull the snach and rope out through the fairlead.

Here's pic of the rope in tube at the front.

Originally posted by Mieser
Anyone use the system, seen it work, like it, hate it, whatever..

For those who don't get it, its a center mounted winch facing backwards that allows you to pull both front and back with only one winch, plus the weight is in the middle....

Well as that is a picture of MY winch I guess I can answer the question :)

It works well to my mind, but you have to use plasma rope, as the 8274 is prone to overrun, thus birdsnesting the cable.
There are a few gotchas when using it, but nothing bad - we've done a few winch challenges with it, and it has performed great.

One winch which is kept out of the mud which pulls front and back is a winner IMO.

It puts huge compression loads on the chassis, just the mounting/pulley/reinforce on the Ibex is a $2000+ option

I think I still prefer a smart fore and aft dual winch location...I know its extra weight, but I kinda feel more comfy with that.

Red Ibex

Cool your on the board. This place always surprises me!

Do you have any pics of the tube that the cable runs through, specifically the forst section where the cable comes from the pulley into the tube?

I totally dug your site! It was great. Share a few thoughts on your ibex while your at it!

Originally posted by Mieser
Red Ibex

Cool your on the board. This place always surprises me!

Do you have any pics of the tube that the cable runs through, specifically the forst section where the cable comes from the pulley into the tube?

I totally dug your site! It was great. Share a few thoughts on your ibex while your at it!

Mieser - glad you like the site, I'm quite proud of my Ibex, I've 'borrowed' a lot of tech from the US, and Aus, so its quite a unique vehicle in England.

If anyone wants to know more than I've got on my site - then fire away - might be worth starting a thread for ?

Here are a couple of piccies, the rope is not spooled properly at the moment, it should go to the front, not be looped up and slung out the back. Long story which I'm not about to go into :flipoff2:

F:\DCIM\120CANON\img_2035.JPG
F:\DCIM\120CANON\img_2034.JPG

red ibex

You have to attach the pics with the little box "attach file" below where you type the reply. You can't link from your hard drive.

Or you have to put them on your site, then link them.

Thanks for the pics when they get here...

how is the cable threaded through to the front of the vehicle? does it sit below the transmission/transfer case? only way i could see it working would be to mount a pully on a custom crossmember, and then run the cable through a section of pipe to the front. Hmmm . . .

Originally posted by Mieser
red ibex

You have to attach the pics with the little box "attach file" below where you type the reply. You can't link from your hard drive.

Or you have to put them on your site, then link them.

Thanks for the pics when they get here...


Doh

Tried that - works for me on the test forum - but not here.

Oh well - plan 2, try Vector Winch Piccies (http://www.red-ibex.com/p4x4.htm)

OHHHHHHHH....so that is how they do it....

they just run the cable right through the frame rail! Dang! Do you know if they smooth out the inside of the frame or anything?

Thanks for the pics...

Here, do it this way so we can be even more lazy and not have to go to your site.

http://www.red-ibex.com/images/Modifications/300_auto/IMG_2034%20(Small).JPG

Another..

http://www.red-ibex.com/images/Modifications/300_auto/IMG_2035%20(Small).JPG

Very interesting indeed.

Originally posted by Mieser
OHHHHHHHH....so that is how they do it....

they just run the cable right through the frame rail! Dang! Do you know if they smooth out the inside of the frame or anything?

Thanks for the pics...

There is a tube that runs through the frame rail, from the pulley, to front crossmember.

The Ibex is very strong anyway, being a steel spaceframe, but the compression loads (when modeled in CAD) were such, that lots of uprating/bracing/gussetting had to be done.

Just bear that in mind, if anyone thinks it a saturday job to reproduce. - Hell tracking is over-rated anyway :D

One thing I don't like is that is wastes a lot of space under the rear floor. Where is the fuel tank in an Ibex? under the seat?

Good concept though....I like it overall.

Originally posted by Mieser
One thing I don't like is that is wastes a lot of space under the rear floor. Where is the fuel tank in an Ibex? under the seat?

Good concept though....I like it overall.

A SWB Ibex uses a 90 underseat tank, not sure about the longer ones.

Underfloor space isn't really comprimised, the cable runs share the same approx area as the a-frame, so thats a pretty useless area.

Keeping the cable runs away from the exhaust so the plasma doesn't melt needs some thinking about though, luckily the TDi doesn't need much silencing.

How big is your fuel tank?

On the US defenders the fuel tank is right where the pulleys are.

No it is not. The fuel tank is BEHIND the rear axle on newr and NAS 90s. There is basically no rear overhang on an Ibex, so no room for the tank. Look closer at the pictures.

yeah, I know, but if you tried to build this system into an american defender the gastank would still be in the way.

Originally posted by Mieser
yeah, I know, but if you tried to build this system into an american defender the gastank would still be in the way.

yeah, thats why it's in an IBEX not an NAS defender :rolleyes:

I'm a bigger fan of the underseat 90 tanks anyways.

How big are the underseat tanks? And do they hang down under the rocker?

Thanks...

They are just about even with the bottom of the rocker, and I believe that each one is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12gal.

They are just about even with the bottom of the rocker, and I believe that each one is somewhere in the neighborhood of 12gal

They hang down below the bottom of the rocker by at least 3 or 4 inches and will hit everything. They are 12 gallon though.

The truck I am using for reference has some beefy rock sliders on it, that the tank only hangs down maybe 1" below that. And it has a nice skidplate on it. I would rather have the tank there than behind the rear axle though, if I had to pick.

They are 12 imperial gallons, 55 liters or 14.5 of your US gallons.

They do not hang down below the frame.

Let's see, oh yah here is a picture of the front.

http://members.shaw.ca/red90/90fueltankfront.JPG

As stated, if you are worried about hang up, put a plate between the slider and the frame.