Alright, I went looking for a 14 FF at www.blacksautosalvage.com today which they wanted $700 for each of them. I left with a D44 instead. It came with the tie rod, drag link, BIG leaf packs, shocks, steering stabilizer, and stabilizer bar for $250 out of the door. How can I identify what it came out of so I know what wheels pattern to buy. It has automatic hubs, open knuckles, drivers drop, leaf springs(duh), 6 lug hubs, and disk brakes. I can take a picture of it tomorrow but I do not have a digital camera so it may be a while before they are on the web. Where should I order replacement parts for it? I am thinking of Herculining the housing, Genuine Gears and a Detroit Gearless from 4WP, and possibly dual piston calipers from www.carparts.com with the rotors from Auto Zone. I have a good bit of time to put this axle under the from of my Z-71, but I would like some feedback asap. If I were to go to manual hubs, do I get the outer mounted ones or the inner? How can I swap to 8 lug incase I swap my 14 SF for a 14 FF? Thanks....

You're post is a little confusing, but if you are planning on putting the 44 under your Z71, then I will assume that it is Driver side diff. Being 6 lug, it has to be either a Wagoneer or J-Truck axle (I can't think of anything else with that pattern). Should be the same 6 lug pattern as your Chevy already. Also, you can just put 8 lug outers on it to match a FF 14 bolt when you get it. What is the WMS-WMS distance?

WMS=Wheel Mounting Surface.

$700 for a 14bolt!!!! they go for like $150 here. the front has to be from a 80's fsj. how wide is it from wms to wms?

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I believe he said 6-bolt hubs, not six lug bolt pattern...

Could it be a ford front end? How wide is it?

-J

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Originally posted by xBabyJesus
I believe he said 6-bolt hubs, not six lug bolt pattern...

Could it be a ford front end? How wide is it?

-J

he said six lug hubs. a lug is a lug and a hub means a hub (meaning wheel hub). now a lockout is a diffent story but he didn't say that. :D

See, I told him that his post was confusing....:flipoff2:

i will easily answer the question of what axle it is if you answer these 2 questions: is it spring over or under? and what is the lug pattern

Thanks for the replies guys and sorry for the confusion. SUA, 6 lug. Now, any tips for rebuilds? Also, did I get a good price on this stuff?

I got as close as I could with these super cool chrome bullet hole wheels that they left on... 63" I have no idea on how I will be able to measure my trucks WMS to see if it will fight right tonight because it is wet and cold.:flipoff2:

it is definatly a fsj front. i would think 63" would be awfully narrow for a full size chevy.

Would it be possible to widen it by using the shafts and tubes from a D44 Chevy or Ford? Anybody want to do a little business so you(whoever) and I can get what we want?:beer:

Originally posted by The_Law
Would it be possible to widen it by using the shafts and tubes from a D44 Chevy or Ford? Anybody want to do a little business so you(whoever) and I can get what we want?:beer:

your best bet would be to find a 3/4 ton dana44 from a ford. this will be set up for leaf springs , will have 8 lugs to match your 14bolt, will have a d/side hp pumpkin, and will be a decent width. just my op.:usa:

why did you buy it if it aint what you want?:rolleyes: "a fool and his money are soon parted"

Trailhawg

Thanks for trying to trash my little dream....

Originally posted by high5


your best bet would be to find a 3/4 ton dana44 from a ford. this will be set up for leaf springs , will have 8 lugs to match your 14bolt, will have a d/side hp pumpkin, and will be a decent width. just my op.:usa:
So, am I the only one confused on this? If the ford 44 has a Drivers side pumpkin, how's it gonna work in a Z71? Arent they pass. side drop? :D
Scott

ifs chevys are drivers side drop solid axle chevys are pass drop. mike

It looks like you have a wagoneer front end. You don't have to get the ford one, but they are already set up SOA. My roomate has an 89 Chevy with a Jeep J-truck front end that he set up SOA. It is around 65-66" WMS and it matches the rear SF 14 bolt. The Ford front end would be a couple inches wider than your rear axle--which is std in the older trucks. If you do have a wagoneer axle, then find a YJ owner and milk him for your money back and get the wider one. Also search in the Chevy section for solid axle chevys and you can get some pics...

Originally posted by Scout Dude
It looks like you have a wagoneer front end. You don't have to get the ford one, but they are already set up SOA. My roomate has an 89 Chevy with a Jeep J-truck front end that he set up SOA. It is around 65-66" WMS and it matches the rear SF 14 bolt. The Ford front end would be a couple inches wider than your rear axle--which is std in the older trucks. If you do have a wagoneer axle, then find a YJ owner and milk him for your money back and get the wider one. Also search in the Chevy section for solid axle chevys and you can get some pics...

Wasn't the 66 WMS from the Wagoneer wide track? The 62-63 WMS is a standard Wagoneer (which is what the guys who are doing Tacoma SAS are using). If it has automatic hubs, does it also have vacuum lines on the axle?

Your best bet might be to see if anyone wants to buy it off you (ie. someone looking to do an SAS on a Tacoma) and find out exactly what you need and find the axle that meets those needs.

I'd find a Chevy front end (if you want a pass side drop), or a Ford front (if you want a driver's drop). Dodge would also work for a pass side drop. Depends on which t-case you want to use. You may also want to get one that will match up with the springs you intend to use, for example I think the ORU kit uses a Ford front axle. If looking at Chevy fronts, don't be afraid of the 10 bolt, there no worse than a 44.

Pete

Thanks for the responses.... I woud like to run the axle if it isn't more an in inch or 2 narrower than my factory front end. Yes, it is a drivers drop. I offered it to a guy at work with a YJ but he said it was a bit too extreme:confused: I don't mind the front being narrower than the rear as long as it does not hurt my fender clearance. Light Line of La may buy it from me or trade me for something more appropriate... What could I get for what I bought? I know that is vague but atleast a price range...

post a pic maybe a late waggy

Originally posted by high5


your best bet would be to find a 3/4 ton dana44 from a ford. this will be set up for leaf springs , will have 8 lugs to match your 14bolt, will have a d/side hp pumpkin, and will be a decent width. just my op.:usa:

Im not sure on the years, i think 79 was the last year for solid front axles on 3/4 ton fords.. after that (not sure on years) they had TTB dana 50s.

Originally posted by scoobydann


Im not sure on the years, i think 79 was the last year for solid front axles on 3/4 ton fords.. after that (not sure on years) they had TTB dana 50s.


you are correct and they also used a ttb d44 in some of the 80's f250's too.

Originally posted by 1badjeep

So, am I the only one confused on this? If the ford 44 has a Drivers side pumpkin, how's it gonna work in a Z71? Arent they pass. side drop? :D
Scott

88+ chevys have drivers side diff

What year of truck are you doing the swap to because I am getting started on a 2000 silverado 4 link sas

1996

Originally posted by M.Martian


Wasn't the 66 WMS from the Wagoneer wide track? .

The Wide track waggy's and the trucks are almost the same width if not exactly the same. It was definitely from a J-Truck though.

Law:
Your front axle really should be the same width as the rear or a little wider. If not, turning radius will be affected as well as street handling.

Your best bet is to find a 44 from the older Fords. 78-79 F250's were leaf sprung (-over) and 8 lug like it was mentioned earlier. These years were also the High pinion years. Check out earlier years as well though, Everyone seems to want the 78-79 for the HP's, but the earlier years might just be low pinions versions of the same axle. (Someone correct me if I am wrong)

Remember, there is no such thing as a wide track Wagoneer.