Heres a picture of the Duck that I took about 3 weeks ago or so, this is before we took the windshield off, installed the new rollcage, seats, harnesses, fuel cell, etc... and before we built the back fenders. Front fenders are about to be cut and rebuilt, front is about to go coil sprung, etc. Heres a couple stats on the beast:

Suspension & Drivetrain:

1/4 Elliptic Rear (F350 spring cut in half, 4 link)
14 Bolt Full Floating - 456 Gears - Detroit Locker
Coil Sprung Front (4 Link)
Dana 60 - 35 Spline Throughout - CTM Racing U-Joints - Warn Hubs - 456 Gears - Spool - Hydraulic Steering
Wagoner Machine Shop Hi-Steer Arms
Wagoner Machine Shop Tie Rod & Drag Link
Fuel Injected International 345 - Bored .30 Over - Headers - Etc.
Super Special Chrysler 727 Tranny - Custom 3.11 First Gear - Reverse Pattern Valve Body - 800 rpm Stall - All Custom Built
Dana 300 w/ Twin Stick Doubled to a Divorced NP205
Arizona Driveline 1 1/4 Ton 10" Travel Driveshafts
44" Boggers on 15x12 MRT Beadlock Wheels - Tires Are About To Meet The Grooving Iron!
Custom Xtreme Engineering Hydraulic Steering w/ AGR Power Steering Pump

Xtreme Engineering Rocker Skids
Xtreme Engineering Bumpers
Full Custom Built Rollcage - Mastercraft Rubicon Seats - RJS 5 Point Harnesses
Custom build dash w/ Autometer Gauges
22 Gallon Fuel Cell w/ Electric Fuel Pump
Interior Line-Xed
Dual NAPA Deep Cycle Batteries
Underhood Welder & 110v Power Outlets - Custom Built
Bestop Sound Bar w/ Sony XPlod CD Player (gotta have tunes)
Uniden CB
Ton of rocklights, etc!

All sortsa other crazy stuff, its about to go to the paintshop for a Prowler Yellow paintjob - and I'm building the biggest toolbox I can squeeze into whats left of the back for tools & spare parts.. :)

I'm seriously giving some thought to building a pretty sweet exocage... I've got a bad@ss design drawn up, just trying to decide whether or not to go through with it....

The craziest thing of it all is, all the work has been done by a bunch of 18 & 19 year olds (I'm 18).. in our own shop...

Its far from done, most of the stuff above is either sitting beside it in my shop, or on the way, etc. But this is pretty much what its gonna end up as... What do you guys think? I'm open for suggestions, criticism (don't be too harsh), etc.!

Matt "Taz" Green
nitemare@redriverok.com

http://www.auction.2y.net/user/xengineering/Ducky3.JPG

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Nice Scout! Show us it again when your done!

Nice scout man.. what kind of wheelin do you plan on doing with it? Cant wait to see some action shots.

I built it mainly for the rocks, but its setup to where I can do pretty much anything I want to... I'm not too crazy about mud anymore, but I took it out to the local stomping grounds last weekend, and everything that used to be so challenging was just a walk in the park...

I am planning on taking it to the Top Truck Challenge next year though... just to see how it would do in that environment.... I'd love to do some competition 'crawling... but its way too wide for most of it....

Looks sweet, man! I know how the "18-year-old-trying-to-build-a-trail-rig" thing goes. I'm 18 and have done some pretty cool stuff to my Sammy, but hats off to ya. Can't say I'm much of a fabricator or welder. Instead, I'm one of those guys who has to pay those outragous shop rates for welding. But I try to do as much as I can myself.
The Scout looks great. Don't know if I would personally go with the exo-cage, though. I think it looks so nice the way it is right now, exo might take a little of the look away. I dunno, that's just what I personally think. Awesome rig. ~Steve

I like the scout good thing you are cutting the front fenders!:smokin:

What's up, Newbie!:flipoff2: Man, that tranny sure sounds trick! Think you're gonna like it? Diggin the rear bob-job. I was planning the same idea before its show got cancelled.:( Good thing you didn't show me this pic before our deal. But then again, it is still in my driveway...

how many 7-11's did you hold up?

thats a big scout.

Killer :D i want to go wheelen withyou:bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :D :usa:

Brutus, anytime man... too bad we're 1200 or so miles apart (very nice rig by the way)... this things come a lot farther since those pictures... I've gotta couple action pics from last weekend that I should have in a couple days... and I'll take some of the fenders and stuff too.. Wish it was as easy as robbin a couple 7-11s (Believe me I've thought about it... but I don't think they'd let me take the Duck to prison with me.... I think they'd frown upon that :mad:)
I work at our local NAPA here, so that gives me wholesale on a bunch of stuff, and the access to a lot of resources, and I own my own shop as well, (4x4 work for people down here), so that helps a lot too... gives me plenty of time and a halfway warm place to work on it... hmm... but now that you mention it, the local 7-11 is sounding pretty tempting... :rasta:

How did you connect the D300 to the divorced NP205? Small driveshaft????
Looks sweet!!:skull:

Pretty sweet Scout, one suggestion though would be to add some seats, makes driving a whole lot easier. :D

definately a sweet scout! please do post more pic's of the finished product.:D

I dont care for scouts but that one looks pretty beastly :D

Looks like you've made some serious progress in just a little while. You rob a bank:flipoff2: ? Mine's in about the same condition as before, but she's getting there piece by piece. Gimme a call sometime, and maybe we can go do something. Btw the ducky looks like a friggin monster, i'm hella jealous man.

Bryan

Originally posted by ranger
How did you connect the D300 to the divorced NP205? Small driveshaft????
Looks sweet!!:skull:

I was curious about that. Also, whats the "Dana 300 w/ Twin Stick Doubled to a Divorced NP205" :confused: If the 300 is acting as a doubler, why two sticks on it?

Anyway, nice Scout (if you can still rightfully call it that anymore), just curious for more information on the t-case set up you described.

Lets see the suspension, and the tube work...:)

A Scout in Top Truck...you got my vote for sure.

Where are you in Durant?

I drive through there once a month on the way to Clayton or Poteau...

I want to see that rig up close :)

nice rig. I agree that an exo cage might detract from its clean lines, but then again, after alot of wheelin' it would be straight for long:D

:smokin:

Wow...the Scout sure has grown since we saw it last time up in Clatyon. Looks great and great job! Can't wait to see it in action.

I'm gonna try to have it at Clayton on the 16th of February to give it its first test run on the rocks... I'm shooting for that date to have at least the motor, & front suspension and stuff done. I know Rock Taxi is going out that day, and he mentioned a couple other rigs that were gonna go out on their first runs, and he invited me to go with em, so I'm gonna try my best to get it at least where its capable.

Nolen, what route do you take through Durant? I always get mad because I'll be driving through town on a Friday afternoon and I'll glance at the highway and see a bunch of rigs on trailers goin by, so it gets me motivated to get back to the shop and work some more.. :D

Hey, Matt. I agree with Zakk on the exo-cage. Not to mention you are you going to need a longer skinny pedal to shove it through most of the trails anyway! I think you may have hang-up issues with the exo.
As far as his 300-205? I believe his is the same as mine was. I built a "cage" to envelope the 205, the cage then mounts securely to the transmission, then the whole enchilada mounts to the frame. The 300 and the 205 are married without a driveshaft, just a common u-joint. The cage keeps the 205 inline with the transmission, the 300 just floats. Which, by the way, needs to be addressed. I think the 300 needs some extra anchoring. The torque of everything loosened the studs on the 300 and must have had enough slack to "slap" and cracked the case on my autotrans. Not a big deal.
I think the divorced 205 idea came to him after he already had the twin-sticked 300 in place.

Originally posted by twistedscout

As far as his 300-205? I believe his is the same as mine was. I built a "cage" to envelope the 205, the cage then mounts securely to the transmission, then the whole enchilada mounts to the frame. The 300 and the 205 are married without a driveshaft, just a common u-joint. The cage keeps the 205 inline with the transmission, the 300 just floats.

That's something I'd been thinking about as well.

I heard if you mount the '205 to the frame and the 20/300 stock you'll tear up the input seals on the NP205 by having it flex differently than the first t'case.

Got any pics of how you built your t'case cage?

Did you lop off the front output from the 20, or clock the 205 down to clear it?

Oh yeah.. broken 727 cases SUCK, and I'm tired of replacing the tailhousing adapters.

Good thing my trail rig runs a stick or I might be out of spare t'cases and transmissions by now..

-Tom

I don't have any pics, maybe Matt will when he gets his all together. Basically, my 205 isn't mounted to the frame. It is actually mounted to the transmission. It is all one large subunit. The only thing not securely mounted is the 300, but from experience, it should be as well. So, the 205 becomes an extension of the 727. the whole unit(727,300,205) would come out as one piece. Then the whole she-bang is mounted to the frame on poly's. The only down fall is pray you don't ever break the common joint between the two cases cuz you are gonna be there a while! I think the best approach to that would be to have an access panel in the floor to get at it. Another would be to mount the 205 cage on sliders to move it back to access the joint. Hearing this, Matt? I got faith in ya', you'll figure it out.
Looks like you are in dire need of an RTI ramp, huh?

BTW, I wasn't even lucky enough to crack the adapter for the 300. I split the case from the right side at the rear of the pan all the way around to the front left side of the pan. Pretty cool, actually.

Originally posted by twistedscout
I don't have any pics, maybe Matt will when he gets his all together. Basically, my 205 isn't mounted to the frame. It is actually mounted to the transmission. It is all one large subunit. The only thing not securely mounted is the 300, but from experience, it should be as well. So, the 205 becomes an extension of the 727. the whole unit(727,300,205) would come out as one piece.



Got it. The 300 is just mounted to the 727 like "normal" with the 5 (6?) bolts to the tailhousing.

The rigid frame keeps it so when engine torque rocks the engine/trans/300 it also rocks the '205 at the same time, keeping everything lined up.


The only down fall is pray you don't ever break the common joint between the two cases cuz you are gonna be there a while! I think the best approach to that would be to have an access panel in the floor to get at it. Another would be to mount the 205 cage on sliders to move it back to access the joint. Hearing this, Matt? I got faith in ya', you'll figure it out.
Looks like you are in dire need of an RTI ramp, huh?

Probably the BEST solution to this (AFTER you break your first U-joint..) would be to have a sleeve machined with the 300 output splines on one end and the '205 input splines on the other, then use a pin to keep it from floating too much.

Just yank off the yokes and slide the sleeve / coupler into place and forget about it.

Originally posted by twistedscout
BTW, I wasn't even lucky enough to crack the adapter for the 300. I split the case from the right side at the rear of the pan all the way around to the front left side of the pan. Pretty cool, actually.

I broke the adapter and just the rear of the 727.

http://tigger.tmcom.com/~tsm1/scout/jpg/racer/6_10_2001/22.jpg

I blamed this one on a shot transmission mount letting the Dana 20 bounce up n' down a bit putting a lot of stress on the adapter and the 'case.

Tuff Trucking seems to be hard on it. :D

New RPT motor mounts and trans mount went in with the new 727 and converter.

The upside was I stepped up from the "built" 727 I assembled (semi-manual valve body, kevlar clutches, etc) w/ stock converter to a full-race 727 and 2500 converter (everything but the trans brake)

'course, there was the bill...

That's exactly how it all works. I thought about the sleeve idea. I guess it is just hard to tell if everything is precisely in line. As far as the u-joint goes, I recommend a cap-zerk greasable u-joint as you CANNOT get in there to grease anything. I ran an El'cheapo joint and put the juice to it(440 Chrysler, baby). I got it awn, and never had a problem. We still haven't decided what even cracked the case. It blew when a Jeep tried to pass me. That just can't be allowed, so I put the skinny pedal to it and the rear CV let go. The shaft flew off leaving the large chunk of CV crap on the back of the 205. That is a lot of vibration to be spinning out of balance at 5000 RPM, but I can't imagine that it traveled through both t-cases and still trashed the case that bad on the tranny. Rebuilding it will be easy as there won't be any bolts to remove. Just pull the pan and the whole thing will slide apart! Bad ass tranny, however. That was the only problem I ever had with it after severe use.

Yeah I'm goin Wednesday to pick up the metal for an RTI ramp... those jacks SUCK! :D

Cody, thanks for explainin all that stuff for me... :flipoff2:

Why don't you ladies start a IH Tech section? O thats right you have one...:flipoff2:

Hey, Kid, if I'm a "former" Binder guy, now building a Zuk Kick, but using NOTHING Zuk to build it, do I still get to play on the Zuk board? Maybe it is time for an "Others" tech board.
You know, I'm starting to get nostalgic already. Today is a land mark. After The Kick is finished and trail proven, I will build another Scout. I foresee 2 & 1/2 ton Rockwells, Coilovers, an injected big-block-no a DEISEL! Full bodied, no bobbing or trimming. And the largest DOT approved tire made. Then I am going to tow with it! OK, maybe that's a little much, but I need me a work horse from hell. So, whose got a Scout for sale?

Sweet Scout!!! Man you must have had some seriously good help building that rig :flipoff2: :flipoff2: Can't wait til we get all the bugs worked out of it and some reliable Horsepower!!!

Im telling you guys you should that 1/4 eliptic suspension in action it is un real the amount of droop. In fact the weekend we broke it, right before he drove up the right dirt wall about the second big incline up rock creek if you have seen it you know what Im talkin about 4-5' tall and the rear tires never left ground!! :eek: :eek:

L8tr,

Lets see some action pics of it......

I'm reading all about it but I just can't
figure it out without actually seeing it.

How do you mate a d300 to a np205 using the
same ujoint??????
Seems like this would be even harder than the
above mentioned common sleeve arrangement.


How bout a detailed pic of this whole arrangement.

727/300/205 or is it 727/205/300

Also I know A1 Transmissions makes a 2.77
planetary first gear but who makes the 3.11
planetary first gear for the 727?
And pleeeeeeeease don't tell me its from some
phantom dump truck tranny that noone can actually
document as ever or even now existing.

thank you

i am glad to see you put the 14 bolt to work in that thing, i am sure it saved you some bucks, it looks like it is coming right along. we will be going to clayton on the 23&24 for some wheeling hope you can make it. mike

Did you ever get the steering problem from a couple weeks back worked out? I passed you in Clayton while you were limping down the road. That thing is awesome.

Ah, yes. ScoutII. My favorite person on this whole board. The setup in The Ducky is mine. I shut my Scout down, he's building the piss out of his with my proven goods. The mating of the two cases has already been explained above. Just use that scrolly uppy thing and read it. I don't know about you, but I didn't find it difficult to design it at all. Want me to do yours?
I also worked very, very closely with the tranny shop that built my sweety. So if you don't want to hear that the gears came out of a two ton 70's dumptruck that I pulled the tranny out of myself, then pleeeeeeeease don't ask "where did they come from." That is the reason the trans costs so much even used. I could tell you the exact name of the tranny-but I'm not going to. Research it and study diagrahms just like I had to. You know, put as much effort into it as you would jerking chains with someone on their prices, or insulting them. In fact, if we would have wanted to run a divorced case at the time we built the tranny, I could have gotten it down into the low 4's with the transmission's underdrive. After we popped in the straight cut planetaries, I had billet titanium servos milled out, a newer model Dodge's reverse double band, a full manual valve body to increase line and holding pressure, lowered the valve body to ensure positive operation on it's side or even lid as I recently proved(it WILL engage upside down, Matt!). And finished it off with a 231 output shaft so I could run a Jeep Dana 300.
You could still build your own if you wanted to, I believe when we located my transmission(the dumptruck's), there were something like 7 left in the US(counting mine). I won't tell you what it cost for the tranny just to gut it for the gears, but my builder said he would sell another one for $2100.
If you want more info, call Troy Kabella at Yankton Transmission Specialists at (605)665-1175.

And just for the record: The 440 that you told me was "in dire need of a rebuild" because it had over 30,00 miles on it? My buddy borrowed it for a few races at the local strip. It's running consistent 13.80's. Not bad, considering I'm not the MOPAR GOD that you are.

Originally posted by YellowCJ
Did you ever get the steering problem from a couple weeks back worked out? I passed you in Clayton while you were limping down the road. That thing is awesome.

Yeah you saw us bring the wounded beast back from Rock Creek. I was the one riding passenger, man the steering was completely shot, I has a manual hub turning BIOTCH that day just so we could go straight or turn left or right.

Oh was that you in the Yellow CJ with like full-width axles under it. Pretty sweet rig. Matt and I havent got the steering problem fixed yet. We are going to be running full hydrualic steering. He is still trying to figure out what motor he is going to put in the damn thing LOL.

I got CJ7 aka "JHOOPEE" Im building right along with Matt's "Rubbery Ducky" Im going to be running 2.5ton Rockwells and 44" boggers. :D :D I cant wait to get it up and going.

L8tr,

I'm waiting to get al my parts in for the hydraulic steering... with the front end lincoln-locked its pretty much impossible to turn... but I had to get up there and see how she did.... the suspension performed beautifully before the rear hoop broke.... I was thoroughly impressed with it. I'm in the process of building a motor for it and getting the hydraulics rigged up, hopefully it'll be ready to go here in a month or so.... its gettin pretty close!

Matt