I have done a search and came up with a whole lot of nothing. There is quite a bit of theory and impractical guessing and I can't decipher what is what. I liken myself to be on the total opposite end of the stick as the guy in the "GODOFSUSPENSION" thread.

Here is what I am working with currently. Don't laugh too hard cuz I bought it kinda fawked up. The previous idiot did an SOA w/ 4" blocks, 3 thick leaf Bogger(?) springs, and a 3" body lift just to get it to clear the OLDS 455 he stuffed in it and still only cleared the valve covers by about 1".:barf: I H8 BLOCKS!! It also rides like a brick and doesn't flex for squat. So I did a custom shackle reversal by cutting out the bottom of the shackle mount and welded up 3/16" flat stock from the outer top edge of the mount to the outer top edge of the frame. I also dropped the front mounting holes of the leaf springs about 2 1/2". This overcame the 3/4" rear end sag and pushed the rear end up 1/2" over level and without the blocks.

I am going to be removing the body lift and replacing it with 4" custom fabbed body lift towers. I would like to run with 38" - 39.5" tires. The axle swap will be going up to DANA60 front and CORP14 rear with 4:56 gears and ride on 16" wheels. What kind of spring set up(w/ or w/o custom shackles?) do I need to run in order to get good clearance and not shread the $$$ tires and still flex enough to GET IT:question:

A lot of people are going to come back and say I should run with a coiled front and a 1/4 eliptic & 4 link rear. It sounds BAD A$$ but the budget says not now!! I just need to get up and on the road/trail and enjoy some time with my :jeep:!

A BIG THANKS & A BIG :beer: UPFRONT FOR TAKING THE TIME OUT TO CHECK THIS OUT!! I would greatly appreciate your input and am willing to learn if someone has the time to teach. Thanks again! Keith a.k.a.

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I dont understand?? I have an 82 j10 widetrack (with the fenderflares), a SOA, stock waggy 7 leafs, no add a leaf (yet), no body lift, and i clear 37" hummer tires, No problem. The first mistake is a shackle reversal in front, why did u do it? I have a toyota, and this is an inherent problem with them as well, as the axle moves upward with compression, it also moves rearward, and pushes the tire into the firewall/rear fender. It also puts the pinion at a terrible angle, the more flex, the worse the angle!! The driveshaft in front with a rear mounted shackle needs to be a very long travel slip joint as well. I know this argument could get ugly, but another commonly agreed upon fact is that for rockcrawling you want the shackle in front, so that when the tire moves up onto a rock the tire wants to move FORWARD as the suspension compresses, aiding in traction. Rear mounted shackles get to bouncing as the suspension searches for traction, and you know what the bounces do to u-joints, driveshafts, etc. when suddenly traction is gained!!!! Im just guessing looking at mine, but with a 3" bodylift, and some rancho 2.5 lift waggy springs(44044), front mounted shackles (lift shackles from an XJ, rear, they are the same), you should be great with a 38-39" tire, depending on width, and rim offset. Some mild fender flare trimming in the rear and bumper trimming may be neessary with extreme flex!! These trucks have a great base for a flexy suspension, I wouldnt change it to much, plus its cheap!!! I am a toyota guy at heart, and just ask any of us bout using 44044s on toy trucks, they are f@##$n awesone, and hold their shape relatively well as opposed to other flexy leaf spring options! I would concern myself with some steering correction issues, I had to! (high steer, and new tie rod with chevy tie rod ends, tie rod from rockstomper, high steer arms are bob roggy). Good luck!!

Sorry, just saw what you were referring to as a shackle reversal, you meant what Im used to hearing as a shackle flip, my F@##$k up!! Yeah, I had to do this too. Id just look for some stock rear springs and put in an add a leaf, or buy some rancho rearlift springs (they are cool as well). Ive got tons of space in the rear, and with the wider 14 bolt, youll have even more space! I have a 14 bolt in the rear as well. What transfer case are u using???

Hey Jslamerman! The shackle flip is on the back end of the rear leaf springs. Guess I should get better with the wheeling lingo, huh?:laughing: You say you are clearing 37" Hummer tires? Wha-hooo! What is the definitive tire size? i.e. 36"12.5"x15" Will a 16" rim throw your figures for the clearance off at all? My buddy is gonna help me with some custom spring pads that will have a place in front of and behind the stock spring pack hole. It also gives about an inch of lift.;) I am looking into pushing the wheelbase out 1" on each end if it will give a better approach angle. But that might not be neccessary if I can get some susp. lift to do it instead. With the wider 60/14 combo and 12.5-14.5" wide tires, will I have to do a whole lot of fender trimming? Does anyone makes 4-6" flares for our FSJs?? I was considering going with the Rancho 7 leaf packs and was thinking of going with the 2" lift versions. I am hoping my buddy can make the arms to go on top of the knuckles and a custom chrome moly drag link with heims joints. I can get either a 4" or 6" drop pitman arm as well.

My powertrain will consist of the AMC360(propane), TH400(475), and the ORD Doubler.

Enuff babble? Lemme know what yer thinking here. And THANKS for your info so far!!

as far as fsj flares, teh 4 doors are fairly limited. j-20 and fjs cherokee's can be easily adapted for a m-715 style flare....the 4 doors are limited due to the placement. what you can do for a lot of lift and better wheel placement is a set of Dakota springs or dakota lift springs. it has an offset pin so it will increase your wheelbase allowing you to cut your rear fender up and back farther...the front on each can just go m-715 style.

MKBRUIN ... thanks for the M-715 tip. I have a Cherokee 2 door not the 4 door though. Will they still work?

4" lift springs with SOA in front will be more then enough for 38's. For the rear get creative!

Yeah, the fronts easy, the back is fun. I would stay away from military springs, stay with 44044s for REALLY flexy stuff! Jus remember, the flexier you get, the more lift you need. My shocks are the pro comp (new) equivalent to the 9012, and the uptravel is limited by the shock bottoming out, I have no Idea about downtravel, but its alot!!! I think I have the same springpads on my front axle, and I also drilled an extra set so I can move my axle forward, but I havent done it yet, havent needed it (jus in case the bug gets me, and I move to a 38 or39.5, but my front D44 will hate me!) My true tire measures out to about 36 true in tall and 10 in wide on 10" rims. My front axle is 67" wide WMS to WMS equalling the back 14 bolt. I wanted to bob the bed, but cannot signifiantly shorten it due to long spring length. I would love to bob it all the way to the rear edge of the stok flare, maybe an inch behind it, but the frame would stick way out, the only way would be to 3/4 elliptic or coil over rear suspension, but $$$$$$$$!!!! Im workin on the Toy right now for the 4 runner Jambo in April, so the j10 is awaiting an engine, probably a 4.0. I have a 4.3/4L60 going in, so its a major project, and I want to drive it from Ft. Worth to Barstow, Ca., I know :smokin: , but whatever!!!

Like a couple of people the front is fairly easy. I am running a 4" spring under and stock narrow D44 with 36 x 12 1/2 swampers. I have a D60 to go under it and will do so soon. I will be mounting that spring over netting at least 9" of lift total. The rear is going to have to be a little more creative. Right now I have a 2" add a leaf and a 2" block. I also will be putting a 14 bolt in the rear. I plan to use a Chevy 6" lift spring (52") compared to the JEEP 56" spring. The center pin on both is 26" from the front eye. The JEEP's pin is offset toward the front. I plan to fab my own trick double shackle to make up for the 4" length. I have allready committed to a set of 39.5" swampers so I hope it clears. P.S. MY 36 x 12 1/2's are for sale

Hope this helps. :smokin:

everyone is using the 44044's in jeeps, toys, etc. for flex right? well they are front lift springs for a wagoneer i believe. if so they would be a perfect spring to run up front in a springover setup. if you need alitttle more clearance then break out the sawzall. :D

So, how does this sound :

3" body lift
SOA on DANA60/CORP14
2" lift springs
2" extended shackles (maybe)

Think it will clear 38" - 39.5" tires okay?

Know anybody who makes 4-6" fender flares for the Full Size Jeeps? I'd like to be able to find something like the plastic types you see the smaller jeeps using. I think the name was Bushwacker.