What price would you be willing to pay for a set of Production Portal Axle (all new!! NO used parts) complete!!!
no other details will be given at this time so DON'T ASK, just trying to get a feel of what you think the Ultimate portal axle combo would be worth
1 steering and 1 non steering
Let me know what you think!!!

free :D

As long as it was stronger than the crap (IMO) volvo and mog junk, it would be worth lots. You don't see ANY top competitors run it because the current stuff is all JUNK.

I've seen what Ron's up to...no more mog or volvo...it's all badass and if it's as strong as it looks and specs out to be, look out!

Originally posted by Lance
As long as it was stronger than the crap (IMO) volvo and mog junk, it would be worth lots. You don't see ANY top competitors run it because the current stuff is all JUNK.

Hows about you tell us how you really feel?

I think if the axles were the equivalent of JR's or Steve Gerstner's shit they would be worth a lot.

Doug

The only aftermarket portal axle that I know of thats in production is made by Maxi Drive here in Aus. I think he gets $12000AUS for a full bolt on kit to fit a Land Rover. This setup uses the stock rover housing and supplies a bolt on portal box with new inner shafts that bolts on where the spindle bolts to the axle tube. You then bolt the spindle back onto the bottom of the portal box and the brakes and everything bolt back on. The portal box has two seperate idler gears so that the rotation doesent change and also halves the gear tooth loads. Dont know how strong the setup is but the gears are fairly big. The box gives about a 5in lift.

My understanding is that he has made about 20 sets so far with most of them going to europe a few into Aust and none so far into the US.

Now may not be comparable to what you are wanting to do but it does give you some idea on what a brand new, low production run, portal box can be produced for. This setup is probably more complicated and weaker that what could be done because it is a fully bolt on kit (and retains normal rotation).

link to some pics (http://emmanuel.richard.er.free.fr/DEFENDER/LAND%20ROVER%20DEFENDER%2090%20OUTBACK%20IMPORT/)

Sam

Ron, let's get a set under the Cherokee. Then I'll let you know what they're worth:D

We will have to talk about it Rich, I can tell you this, you will love them

aftermarket portal gear availability???

aftermarket portal gear availability???

What Gear? for what axles?

Dude, quit smokin and get those aftermarket reduction gear sets made for the Volvo's- you know the ones Lance says are junk

I should have the first prototype set in approx a week, i will start testing them the end of the month, so there are almost here

Originally posted by Team Purple
I should have the first prototype set in approx a week, i will start testing them the end of the month, so there are almost here

You need to put a set under my junk amd we'll see if they can really handle some abuse.:D
I promise to treat them like they were my own.:eek:

We paid 10K for our narrowed Mogs last year. Will they work better than those? I think the market on narrowed mogs is about half that now.
Bart

I would be willing to pay a lot....its about time that someone did this.

Will you be able to custom build widths and offsets? How about steering arm positions?

Can't wait to see what you come up with...

Lance, are you comparing a stock 60 to a stock MOG or a Dynatrac to a custom mog axle with 35Spline, 300m, ford 9" centers? First off the Stock comparison would be a joke, the mogs (NOT VOLVO) are rated at 2Ton, there is no comparison! Now take both built axles and try to compare, All things being equal, the mog hybrid would kick the $hit out of Dyno's or anything else. Being that the torque load is distributed thru the outer reduction gears. Furthermore, There is no U-joint (CTM, OX ect) that is near as strong as the CV in a mog! Horrible comparison. Last season, there were sooo many U-joint, Ring gear, hub ect 60 failures that we could not track. And how many MOG failures? You can't count Matt's (Factory Tubular) do to poor engineering on the axle tubes of a non steering axle. There were zero failures on MOG steering axles. Now let's compare my favorite, "Price". You can buy (2) built steering Mog axles for less than (1) Dynatrac steering axle with lockers/gears ect. Anytime you want to have a pulling contest with Mikes rig let me know. RUN DOG

Originally posted by Run dog
There were zero failures on MOG steering axles.

Um, you forgot Charlie Copsey, in Reno;) :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Team Purple
What price would you be willing to pay for a set of Production Portal Axle (all new!! NO used parts) complete!!!
no other details will be given at this time so DON'T ASK, just trying to get a feel of what you think the Ultimate portal axle combo would be worth
1 steering and 1 non steering
Let me know what you think!!!

Let's see: we don't know how heavy they are. We don't know if they are two gear or three gear hubs. Don't know about ratios, lockers or parts availability. Most importantly, we don't know if they are going to granade the first time the are used.
But darn it, we CAN'T ASK any questions.
Reminds me of when Avalanche was trying to get 10 grand for there master pieces.

Here is a pic of the MOG custom shafts. They are not 300m. They are ASTRALOY, which is 10% stronger than 300M.

Originally posted by Run dog
blah blah blah blah


Originally posted by Go2Guy
blah blah blah blah

Yeah, they're JUNK. Keep kidding yourself all you want. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Run dog
Here is a pic of the MOG custom shafts. They are not 300m. They are ASTRALOY, which is 10% stronger than 300M.

Forgot the pics...

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Um, you forgot Charlie Copsey, in Reno;) :flipoff2:


and charlie's rig again at supercrawl...

Yeah, they're JUNK. Keep kidding yourself all you want

ok, Lance. why? what part is junk? what makes it "junk"? i suppose the fact that it was stripped off a 40 year old used truck may qualify it as "junk", but, other than that..

im curious.. how do you qualify your statement?

well this I can tell you:
all new parts are being used, no surplus, old parts
300m shafts, cryo treating
HD gear sets
HD CV's
comon Ring and Pinions avaliable (5:88 to 1 high ratio)
2 gear portal all new Boxes
common wheel pattern
all HD parts and NEW
as far as the argument mog vs 60's
neither of them are going to touch these!!!

Then if that is the case.... how much are your going to sell them for????


What bolt patterns and what kind of clearance are we talking about here??? What size ring gear???

What type of knuckles?

Replacement part availability IE CV's and brake parts???

Originally posted by Team Purple
well this I can tell you:
all new parts are being used, no surplus, old parts
300m shafts, cryo treating
HD gear sets
HD CV's
comon Ring and Pinions avaliable (5:88 to 1 high ratio)
2 gear portal all new Boxes
common wheel pattern
all HD parts and NEW
as far as the argument mog vs 60's
neither of them are going to touch these!!!

Cool, will you take a set of narrowed Mog axles in on trade?:D

ALL parts will be in stock down to every bearing and seal

like I said before, I cant give out to much info at this time
(to many ears listing)
but trust me they will be worth any amount

Originally posted by Lance

Yeah, I know my d60 shreaded some ring gear teeth, but portals are blah, blah, blah :flipoff2:

:flipoff2:

but trust me they will be worth any amount

Than why did you ask? Obviously the cheaper they are..the more you will sell. Basic marketing...sell a few for a big profit or sell a bunch for a smaller profit:) I can't wait to see these!

:zzz: Portals :zzz:

why doesnt anyone make a bolt on portal box/ knuckle/outer shaft for any common axles?

bolt right on to say a dana 44 or 9"

big money right?

ron... what kind of drop will those axles have? The same as a normal volvo portal?

they will be based off the Volvo plateform as far as the basic concept.

hey, did you know your www.offroadgs.com website doesn't work ....

Yes we know, company that hosts site is having trouble

How long till they are out? Roughly?

I sent you a PM about some steering questions...if you have chance I would like to hear what you had to say...

Thanks

There were zero failures on MOG steering axles
Charlie Melchner blew up a center Section at NEUROC in June

We are hoping to have them out by mid summer!

Originally posted by Team Purple

300m shafts, cryo treating


I thought through-hardening was the preferred method to take full advantage of 300M?:confused:

If you can make them lfor ess then Dynatrac ProRock 60's then you'll have all the business you guys can handle- what's the average for a set with just front steer....between 12k/15k:confused:
beat that price for portal completely custom SUPER DUTY axles and the market will be yours.

Originally posted by Lance





Yeah, they're JUNK. Keep kidding yourself all you want. :flipoff2:

Iam with you Lance Junk FTM spent $20,000 on four of them and they broke them at every event.

My thoughts: I spent ~$4000 on each of my steering Mog9s (astralloy shafts, nodular center, built myself, etc), and I'm fairly confident that the weakest area is the CV and portal. I think "fair" (subjective term) value would be another $1000-2000 over my Mog9s for what you would be gaining.

I think $5000 an axle would get you a much higher volume of buyers (casual wheelers like me) than $6000 an axle which probably would isolate the market more to the competitors... Somewhere in that range would be the market/value, I think.

what does a complete front and rear axle setup go for? ready to bolt up?

~Kirk

Any updates???

What is the steering angle going to be like?

How about weight? Lighter than a volvo? Mog?

As long as it was stronger than the crap (IMO) volvo and mog junk, it would be worth lots. You don't see ANY top competitors run it because the current stuff is all JUNK.

I saw a buggy at eroc last year that was running 42's with portals. Did really well till battleship and snapped a shaft. But i saw a tractor axle shaft snap on full throttle. Carnage everywhere. I don't know if there worth the price there going for, I'd like to run them on my 88' toy pickup. I think i'm dreaming :rolleyes:

what did charlie break???, oh and by the way, Chris Durham is running portals this year, has he broke anything yet?, if they can be broken, he will try his hardest to bust'em.

COME AWWWWWWWWN

update??????

Here is a pic of the MOG custom shafts. They are not 300m. They are ASTRALOY, which is 10% stronger than 300M.

my buddy has a set of these axles. SUPER BEEEEEEEF. ill get pis tomorrow.

Drew

I am very interested in seeing what your building.

As far as the 60 vs mog discussion is concerned, I don't see any solid facts stating either way. To compare # of mogs broke to # of 60's broke is pretty rediculous as there are way fewer mogs run than there are 60's. Nothings completely industructable. Everything is bound to break sooner or later. I am getting ready to buy a set of mogs myself. Ive been running dyno 60s for the past 3 years, but it's time to upgrade and try something new. The mogs have their advantages, IMO, cause I perfer the ground clearance, drive terrain angles, and of course rear steer. Plus the steering axles are about 5 times cheaper than dynos steering axles.

Charlie Melchner blew up a center Section at NEUROC in June

Yeah, but each portal box and axle survived his NEUROC roll in July. The same roll(s) that destroyed each of his trailready beadlocks......

that was last year.

i have up for sale or trade :grinpimp: just the thing you need for this venture ron

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