Are Scout and Scout II front Dana 44's the same? @58"?

I am hearing that certain ones are between 59-60" too.., If this is true what years/models?

thnx in advance:trooper:'s

The scout 80 and 800 didn't have a frt D-44! The scout IIs didn't get untill later, like 1974 on.

so what are the widths ??????
my new runing gear is 62 1/2 . i forgot to measure the old width before i cut it up. so i just wondering how much i added

I'm not 100% sure, but I believet the Scout II front D44 is right at 60".... maybe just a hair under.

Originally posted by benwa35
so what are the widths ??????
my new runing gear is 62 1/2 . i forgot to measure the old width before i cut it up. so i just wondering how much i added

what did you do to get 62 1/2" ??

thats right about where I'm thinking I want to run...

-mark

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


what did you do to get 62 1/2" ??

thats right about where I'm thinking I want to run...

-mark

Sounds like what I'm up to, T-all axles front and rear should put me at 63" wide. 3/4 Ton front 44 "fat" tubes and rear hybreed Dana 60/44, 60 center section 44 outers, I can even use my TSM disc kit on the new rear. The front will have hi-steer, should be a nice setup when done, I'll post progress pics as I go.

Joe

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


what did you do to get 62 1/2" ??

thats right about where I'm thinking I want to run...

-mark

the front is a 3/4 ton chey 44 cut and shortened and turned by me
the rear is a hd 60 with 14 bolt spindles and 35 spline axles (dutchman alloy)

Originally posted by benwa35


the front is a 3/4 ton chey 44 cut and shortened and turned by me
the rear is a hd 60 with 14 bolt spindles and 35 spline axles (dutchman alloy)

did you cut the front down to a stock shaft size, or a custom length.

You know the lengths off the top of your head??


more info on the 14-bolt/d60 hybrid please, that sounds EXACLY like I was just planning to build (started measuring this last week)...

you weld it up your-self, you have a jig?


thanks
-mark

Originally posted by jdjanda


Sounds like what I'm up to, T-all axles front and rear should put me at 63" wide. 3/4 Ton front 44 "fat" tubes and rear hybreed Dana 60/44, 60 center section 44 outers, I can even use my TSM disc kit on the new rear. The front will have hi-steer, should be a nice setup when done, I'll post progress pics as I go.

Joe

Are you sure a T'all front is that narrow? The rears are pretty narrow, but I didn't think the fronts were.

GM fronts are 69" per the Bible.. and I thought they were only about 1" wider than the T'all front ends (I think most of the differences are in the hub setups.. drum vs. disc, etc)

Or will you be narrowing the T'all front?

One of these days I'll measure WMS to WMS of my '72 1110.. I need to replace a shot axle joint anyhow...

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Are you sure a T'all front is that narrow? The rears are pretty narrow, but I didn't think the fronts were.

GM fronts are 69" per the Bible.. and I thought they were only about 1" wider than the T'all front ends (I think most of the differences are in the hub setups.. drum vs. disc, etc)

Or will you be narrowing the T'all front?

One of these days I'll measure WMS to WMS of my '72 1110.. I need to replace a shot axle joint anyhow...

I'm pretty sure on this. I've measured the front end I have, from the centers of the top ball joints, and it is about three inches wider then my SII front end. I will be using SII parts from the knuckle out. With eight lug parts the axle might be wider. I know that a couple of years 74/75? were even wider. The rear that I'm picking up is 63" wide according to the owner. I soon as I have both axles I'll post pics.

Joe

Originally posted by RustoleumWhite


did you cut the front down to a stock shaft size, or a custom length.

You know the lengths off the top of your head??


more info on the 14-bolt/d60 hybrid please, that sounds EXACLY like I was just planning to build (started measuring this last week)...

you weld it up your-self, you have a jig?


thanks
-mark


the front axle worked with the short side being cut down 3 7/8" and using a wagoneer short axle, the long side is going to be custom unless i find something that will work for me. i made a tool for setting caster and welded it my self, pretty easy. the rear was fairly easy also. dana 60 center and tubes, with 14 bolt spindles cut 2 1/2" past the backing plate mount.machined out the spindle end and put in a steel sleave that would center it up on the 60 tube, came out strait , ( use your axle flange to make sure it is square to the wheel hub) hope that helps

Originally posted by jdjanda


I'm pretty sure on this. I've measured the front end I have, from the centers of the top ball joints, and it is about three inches wider then my SII front end.

Joe,

What's the ball-joint to ball-joint figure on your T'all front housing?

I measured my Chevy housing this morning, but didn't put a tape on the Scout housing or try to get a measurement off my Travelall yet.

My Chevy 3/4T front housing was 55" from ball-joint center-to-center, or 54" from the "inside" edge of one joint to the inside of the other, upper balljoints.

I have a couple Scout '44 housings lying around.. I'll try to remember to tape them tonight for comparison.

Originally posted by tsm1mt
What's the ball-joint to ball-joint figure on your T'all front housing?

If I remember it was 53 center to center, the Scout II was at 50 center to center, but that was a while ago.

Originally posted by tsm1mt
I measured my Chevy housing this morning, but didn't put a tape on the Scout housing or try to get a measurement off my Travelall yet.

My Chevy 3/4T front housing was 55" from ball-joint center-to-center, or 54" from the "inside" edge of one joint to the inside of the other, upper balljoints.

I have a couple Scout '44 housings lying around.. I'll try to remember to tape them tonight for comparison.

If your Chevy was at 55 then that should put the axle at 1-2 inches less then the Chebbie, which you said was 69 WMS to WMS, at ~67. I sure hope not, going to mess up the whole plan. I was told the T-all stuff was at 63, with 74/75 even wider. I guess I'll have to wait until I have all the parts together before I can determine what the total width is going to be. I don't want to be at 69 WMS to WMS. I might have to cut down the axles, as I am going for 63-64".

Joe

Originally posted by jdjanda


If I remember it was 53 center to center, the Scout II was at 50 center to center, but that was a while ago.

Joe

Bad news, Joe.

Chevy 55"

'72 1110 open knuckle T'all - about 54" (hard to measure with the axle in the truck w/o getting thorougly wet and oily)

Two stock Scout '44 housings? 48" from upper balljoint center to center.

Mark - didn't you determine the Chevy was 6.75" wider or something? Or 6 1/4"?

I come up with about 7" wider than a Scout II housing.

My Travelall appears to be 1" narrower at the balljoints, but I'd leave an inch either way for inaccurate measurin' by me. :-)

The Chevy 6-lug should be 67" ~ 67.5" WMS to WMS. Tom's axle is wider because he has Ford 5-lug outers on it. Scout outers are narrower (less scrub radius) than Chevy outers, so it is possible that the t-all outers are narrower also. Chevy housing should be 6.75" wider than Scout II housing. Chevy axleshafts are 36.13 and 18.31", Scout II axleshafts are 32.91" and 14.78".

Originally posted by tsm1mt


Bad news, Joe.

Chevy 55"

'72 1110 open knuckle T'all - about 54" (hard to measure with the axle in the truck w/o getting thorougly wet and oily)

Two stock Scout '44 housings? 48" from upper balljoint center to center.

All good, I measured the housing 51.5", 3.5" wider then the Scout II, I confirmed the rear to be 63.5" When I'm done I should wind up at 63.5 in the rear and 64.25 in the front, or 3.5" wider then the Scout sits now. I have spare rear shafts on the way. All I need now is to find one more set of inners and I'll have a full set of spare axles. But the 60 is only a 30 spline SF, oh what will I do, I won't be as cool as the other guys running shaved 35 spline 60's, but I can live with it.

Originally posted by TORC
I'm not 100% sure, but I believet the Scout II front D44 is right at 60".... maybe just a hair under.

I second that. When we had Dynatrac build P3s axles we had them build them 62" from bolt surface to bolt surface. That measurement was exactly 2" over stock Scout II axles.