Anybody running Aerostar coils on their EB? If so...

how does it handle on the road @ high speeds (70 or so)

do you have a wristed arm and does it have a pin

how did you mount them (stock coil cups wouldn't work)

what did you do with your shock mounts up front to take advantage of all the travel?

pics?

-Jack

I seem to recall there is a flatfender on sierra that uses those coils, it flexed well with no weight on it. they would be wayy to soft for anything that heavy. at high speeds you would probably get all kinds of body wobble.

Scott@rockstomper is running them, but that is probably where you got the idea from since he mentioned he was running a variation of an eb radius arm setup. I think they flex like no other especialy for sam at src. But they are so soft they are uncontrolable. Especially with the weight of an eb I don't believe it would be worth it even if you use a locked radius arm for its swaybar effect.

I saw the flat fender (slinky) in action at CalRocks. It was awesome. I also saw Toyota boy on the other post. Once again, awesome.

I have the 5 1/2" rock crawler coils from wild horses and they ride nice, but droop is not impressive at all. Maybe the 38" tires will help more than the 33's did.

They look way soft, and that is what worries me. I drive mine to the trail, not trailer.

What are ya'all using for coils up front? How well do they work?

I have 3.5 wildhorse rockcrawlers w/ mike ladds pivots. But I still have the stock radius arms, so you should know how I feel about the flex or what it causes ( the rollover smiley is gone.) that:emb4: blows

So are you saying that you had too much flex, which caused you to roll or that you didn't have enough flex which caused you to roll. I'm not crazy about the spring pivots. I've heard they can make things a bit squirrly on the road (as if it wasn't already).

Somebody told me that the wild horses springs were too soft and they flexed awesome. I'm hoping mine are just too new and don't have enough miles on them (they still need to be broken in).

I have WH 5.5 with 9012's and a twister arm, my front flexs like there is no tomarrow

I'm hoping that the exra weight of the 38's will help bring the front end down. If I can get my charging problem fixed, I can test it!

-Jack

I have almost no flex at all. The pivots don't directly cause any squirliness it's just that the extra height and shitty amount of castor that makes it squirlly at least for me. I plan I making my own radius arms so I can set the castor and have a unique wristed arm using a hydrolic ram w/a linelock to lock and unlock the arm.(idea courtacy or lee from lonestar eb club):D
the extra weight will also help especially a 38.5:rasta:

The wristing of the arm will help more than you will believe. But the springs I am not impressed with. the spring shouldn't be the limiting factor, it should be the shocks...

if you want droop, I'd suggest a wristed arm. When I put in my BC 4.5" coils, I had to fully loosen the bolt on the frame mount of the radius arms and bounce my axle to get it to drop enough - ie the radius arms are your limiting factor, not the springs.
I have decent flex in the front right now, but I have tested it with a wristed arm and it makes a huge difference. When I get the money I will run a Twister arm as I don't trust a home made wristed arm.
The setup that Scott did with the Aerostar Coils was an Amigo with Twister arms front and rear. If I remember weights correctly, the Amigo is almost 1000lbs lighter than an EB.

I am running the WH5.5s on my new EB and with stock arms (for now the new long ones are sitting against the wall) the shocks and the stock arm mounts at the frame are the stoping force for drop (new arms have johnney joints but are not wristed for now). I ran these same springs on my last EB and had the frame brackets angled back 15% from stock and they worked great, totle drop!! As far as breakin time here is a pic of my new EB about 20 mins after they were installed!

I've heard that the bc coils are the best to go with as far as droop.

When I was re-assembling my front end from the rebuild, I had to lift the front end to meet the springs. That tells me that there is plenty of movement in the arms, just the springs causing a problem. I think I'll call WH tomorrow and complain to them. See what they say.

-Jack

Hey rokcrln, if you wrist your arms, your front bumper will only be about 8" off the ground! Looks awesome though!

These are the arms I made and will be running when I get the down time to work and not play on it! As far as calling WH good luck dealing with Jim (owner) is like dealing with an over inflated EGO!!!!

They are 48" long and have a 27% bent for big tire turning!

Those are way sweet. But if you wrist one of them, you'll get a lot more travel!

Did you make those out of DOM?

Oh yeah, and about Jim. I feel the same thing. When I got the springs, he was talking to some guy about something next to his white rig. I went over there and paid him a complement on it and he was like "yeah, I know". The truth is, his rig isn't any better than mine. When I tried to get answers, he wasn't real helpful with them. Not impressed.

I went to Sierra Bronco and talked to the owner Ron and he was awesome. We spent like 3 or 4 hours BS'ing about wheeling and checking out his rig. He was way cool and way down to earth. Much better to work with.

-Jack

I am running Wildhorses 5.5 inch springs with All Four Funs longer radius arms I modified my frame mounts for the arms with a bearing assembly that allows full movement of the arm and allows it to still flex in a rubber bushing.I also installed hyme joints in the tracking bar that also helps the front axle to move. I get tons of flex my shocks are my limiting factor for droop.Rancho 9012 The tires also stuff fairly well. I just installed bent and twisted spring opivots and like the added height and is seems to flex wee also. Have not taken it wheeling yet with the spring pivots to see for sure. As for Jim he has always been really nice& informative to me and he sure does know alot about Broncos some times he is just very busy. :)

Ben,

How does putting heims on the end of the trac bars help flex? Not being a smart ass, just can't picture it. Thanks.

-Jack

It allows the axle to be free and not bind in the bushings of the track bar. The track bar bushings are hard and try to keep the axle straight with the frame which puts it into a bind.if you look at how the track bar is mounted it is only made to allow the axle to go straight up and down when the axle travels it is in a arch therefore if you can not flex the rubber in the trac bar bushings it binds.heims allow it to roll a little allowing a wee bit more flex. It all helps!!
Good luck !

Originally posted by Sweet75

I went to Sierra Bronco and talked to the owner Ron and he was awesome. We spent like 3 or 4 hours BS'ing about wheeling and checking out his rig. He was way cool and way down to earth. Much better to work with.

-Jack

Where is Sierra Bronco and how can I reach them? This is the first I've heard of them.

Thanks!

http://www.sierrabronco.com/

Sierra and BC ( www.bcbroncos.com )are the best established ones out there, in my opinon.

I'm also getting into the swing of things at
www.HBS-Performance-OffRoad.com For EB stuff though I mainly retail BC stuff for now...

Yeh, I just delt with BC broncos a few mins ago to order a water pump ( bi-directional) and we will see how it does. But the guy I delt with was very nice and helpfull! Thanks for the tip!

You probably dealt w/ Chuck and he knows his shiat. I don't like how impersonal and retail like Wild Horses has gotten. I don't think there is a person out there that will say that wristed arms aren't the way to go. Especially if they're pinnable. But they don't sell them, so they don't recommend them. A good place would say, we don't sell them, but call this guy and he can hook you up.

-Jack

aerostar coils on here...

http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/images2/w0037.jpg

yes and they work great for your rig but what does it weigh? A bronco guy is asking about them for his 4500 +lb EB and I don't think they would work for him like they do for you! But nice pic!!

hell..i wish that was mine!!! mines the sploder in my sig... (with no axles, motor, tranny, or tcase right now) :(

that one is from www.bentandtwisted.com

Okay, how about this. What if you used air bag inserts w/ the Aeorostar springs. You could keep you highway stiffness and just deflate the bags for extreme off-road flex. I've never used air bags or know anybody that has.

You could also use it to manage center of gravity an extreme off-camber situations (pump up one side).

What do you guys think about this?

Only person I know that has used airbags in a EB is Toby Till - He's on the east coast, not sure if he's on Pirate4x4 or not though.

Here's his web page http://webpages.charter.net/tt4wd/tillbuilt/tillbuilt.html

This probably does not answer any questions but the GREEN JEEP guy runs aerostar coils in the back of his rig not the front. He is set up just like the rest of us with 5.5 WH springs in front, and the afore mentioned aerostar coils in back and when you close the door of the truck the whole thing wobbles side to side. He wants to ditch the van coils for factory length front EB coils. Like I said probably not much help, but thought I would pass on the info.

aerostars are way too soft tried em in the back of my 4runner and it just flopped all over the place maybe for a sami but not an eb

All, that flatty flopped at CalRocs way too soon....with those springs it didn't side hill worth a shit. Wild horses coils work awesome.....that would be the last thing I would take off your rig. Work on the radius arms first.

BTW, in the other post you asked about my springs. They are 3.5" Wild horses coils. The arms are stock length, with a Skyjacker(POS) frame mount, and Poly bushings. Seems to flex ok.

Brian--

http://sidewlk.homestead.com/files/1uglyranger/Front.jpg

Poor picture quality, but you get the idea.

Brian--

Ugly,

Thanks for the info. As I said before, the arms move great until they are hooked up to the springs.

I guess I can assume that the springs just need to work in a bit. When I get my power steering hose replaced I'll take it out and give her a good working over w/ the 38's.

Thanks all for the info!

-Jack

My coils were only about 2 months old in that pic, and probably only have about 40 miles on them....(still waiting on some tires before I can wheel the damn thing)
I don't think break-in is your problem, I dunno....what kind of arm are you running?

It's a wristed arm. There isn't any bind in it and I'm sure that's not the issue.

Does WH have a variable rate coil and a different rock crawler coil?

-Jack

they have the rock crawler and pre-runner springs, both variable rate - the rock crawler are a bit softer and more geared for 4x use, the pre-runners are more of a all purpose spring

Any way to tell the difference between them? I bet those dumb asses gave me the wrong spring!