I finally got started on my axle swap....tore off all of the Ifs yesterday. Sorry no pics yet do have a bunch of ifs stuff for sale complete front end, bj spacers, brake lines, t-bars, upper and lower arms, shocks and other junk.....PM me....Pics very soon....Gotta get the D44.

Few more details on the project....Going with waggy D44 in the front, stock Zu 12 bolt rear set up spring over, 5.38 gears, rear zu leafs in the front, 35's or 36's for tires, hopefully Arb's front and rear, and some where down the road i have a 3.4 v-6 with transmission and t-case from a 96 tacoma that might find its way under the hood....somebody should really buy that indy4x lift that came off of my troop so i can buy those ARB's :eek:

sounds cool...................you should get a star so we can see what you are up to :D

Sorry matt no star but a few pic of progress from the last 2 days....
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D034F.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D035F.JPG
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D036F.JPG
nothing real special to see yet but its a start.

Hey got a question for you guys that know zu axles......my trooper is an 1987......i know some of the later year model's came with the 12 bolt and some of the earlier ones came with 10 bolt...right???? my tags say it was made in october of 1987....but my axle looks a lot smaller than the one on independent4x.com and the fins on the third member look a little different. I don't know much about indentifing axle by sight i am trying to go off of the date of manufacture. Any help would be appreciated..correct me if I am wrong on any of the above. thanks
Heres a pic of mine:
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D041F.JPG

drums=10bolt rear
disks= 12bolt rear

thanks mines a 10...:confused: so how strong are they compared to the 12 bolt axle... shaft diameters, ring and pinion, will I break stuff runnin 35's locked with the stock 4 banger????

for the locker i guess you will be welding it?


the 12 bolt is considerable larger and stronger + the benefit of rear disks.


i would really consider looking for one to invest your money in over the rear Isuzu 10 bolt. or you could go to the rear Dana 44 from the rodeo...also w/ disks...............

yeah i would have been welding it but the more i think about it the more i do want the 12 bolt so i can run the Arb...... mine sees pavement a little too much to be welded i think. How much is a 12 bolt worth???? as I will pry start hitting up salvage yards in search of one very soon now that I know what i have....dang sure wish it would have came out of the factory with one...oh well
Does the zu dana 44 have the same WMS to WMS width as the 12 bolt? The 12 bolt is just as stronger or stonger than the 44 right?

yeah same width.....different e-brake set up than the 12 bolt

equally as strong, if not stronger than the 44

hard to say on the $$....here all axles are the same price...a rear is a rear at the "you-pull-it" yards.

there are tons out here, if you need help finding one just shoot me an e-mail. the axles are cheap, the shipping will bump up the final cost for you however.:(

Uzi: I sent you a PM about the lift. Did you get it? For some reason, it's not showing up in my sent messages folder. Please let me know...

Kuranosuke didn't get that PM but i sent you one

Cool, thanks. I sent you an email...

Originally posted by Uzi
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D035F.JPG

Are those auto hubs?

they look like it to me

Yes those are autolock hubs they really really suck. Part of the reason I finally started the SAS...i didn't really want to install manual hubs when I knew they would just get taken off in a couple months when I started this project. By the way i do have a set of manual hubs factory Aisins for sale if that was why you asked.

so how strong are they compared to the 12 bolt axle... shaft diameters, ring and pinion,

The 12-bolt Ring gear is 220mm (8.6 inch).
The 10 bolt is 194mm (7.6 inch)

From the Factory Manual

Well a few more up dates I got most of the old mounting points cut off and pulled both drive shafts. Kinda a slow process not enough time to work on it.....anyways a few questions for those that have done this does any one a have pics of how and what they replaced the old IFS front crossmember with and how they attached it to the frame and where??? Also pics of the rear cross member that holds the carrier bearing what do you do with it once you retube to a 1 piece driveshaft. I am planning to run my shackles in the front unless any of you have a really strong argument against it. Any input would be greatly appreciated PICS WOULD BE EVEN BETTER. Thanks in advance.

Oh and just for kicks my extremely HARDCORE wheeling rig while the trooper is down
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/MVC%2D040F.JPG

well i don't have shackles forward, but here is a shot of my front frame:

here is another from above:

Thanks for those pics matt it looks to me like you used the old bumper mounts to mount the new frame extension...never thought of that it looks like it would be stronger than just extending the frame out from below those mounts which is what i had considered. Did you put anything back place of the curved corssmember that used to run between the old Ifs mounting points for the lower A-arms??? That is what has got me stumped right now. One more Question when your springs flex, the axle moves back due to the shackles being in the rear... does this create any driveshaft bind due to the fact that the drive shaft is moving closer to the t-case. I know it might not for you matt but has any one else had similar problems. I am still deciding where to put those shackles.

I used the old bumber mounts when I made a custom winch bumber. At the time all I did was redrilled out the holes to larger diameter and boted 1x2 (I think) square tube in with Grade 8 bolts. It has held great. Much better then I expected. I had hit a few rocks a little too hard and I can see where the frame started to bend, yet the bumber mounting hasn't budged. I hav also stalled my Warn 8000 lb winch a few times with no probs. I too am now in the middle of a complete drivetrain swap. I plan to mount my front spring mounts to the back side of my winch bumber, and I plan to re-inforce the mount by placing some 1/4" thick angle iron on the opppsite side of the original bumber mount so that the square tube will be sandwiched between the two brackets, and should give me more support for up and down forces on the bumber/springmounys.

I too am draggin my feet on whether to put chackles forward or rear. I think I am going to go with front so that there is less brake-dive, but I want to keep it as low as possible, since I plan to use the stock rear springs.

what do you plan on using for a front driveshaft? will a wagoneer driveshaft work? i myself will be doing an SAS on an 89 trooper very soon and i'm tryin to do a little reasearch here...

Yeah I plan on mounting my shackles on the old bumper mounts I started building a frame extension to mount in there like TrooperRS does, just not as big or long . As far as the driveshaft goes i haven't really got that far yet I have no idea about the Wagoneer Shaft never heard of any one using one but I'll let someone more experienced answer that. I am just trying to figure out how to get my old bumper mounted back up after I am done. I might just copy the old ones and make a set so i can attach the bumper above the springs....better approach angle anyways. Thats all I got for now. I will try to get some pics of the frame up now thats in all cleaned off.

Sorry its been awhile progress has been very slow...too little time...too few axles. I did get the rear crossmember cut out to make room for a 1 piece driveshaft. Frame is now completely cleaned off in the front. Got some shackles made and part of the front mounts done. I can't find a D44 front, looked on the board here in classifieds nothing close to me...salvage yards here are outrageous they want $350 for a Zu 12 bolt that doesn't even have brakes or rotors. And the only D44's I found at the yards are drivers side drop:mad: If any one knows of a Dana 44 from a wagoneer or anything else with the right dimensions anywhere near me or that can be shipped to me PLEASE let me know.

not sure if this guy will ship, but here's an axle i found on another board, waggy front 44 pass drop

http://www.nc4x4.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=6665

good luck with the swap, oh if you've got a 12bolt third member i'll sell you the rest of the axle, its just taking up space here. shipping shouldn't be to terrible if it goes forward air.

Eric

i'm not sure if the first post worked or not, its not showing up sorry if this a double

not sure if this guy will ship, but here's an axle i found on another board, waggy front 44 pass drop

http://www.nc4x4.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=6665

good luck with the swap, oh if you've got a 12bolt third member i'll sell you the rest of the axle, its just taking up space here. shipping shouldn't be to terrible if it goes forward air.

Eric

Thanks that would have been great but I checked it out and it sold yesterday. Thats exactly what i was looking for though. I sent you a PM about the 12 bolt.

Major update..... I decided to do the motor swap now that I have the front axle out. The old 2.3 and tranny are out let me know if you want any parts It was complete and running only 112K on the motor new centerforce clutch in the tranny. I did find a 12 bolt for the rear and I got it put in springover with stock springs and revolvers. Had to cut away part of the gas tank mount to keep the revolvers from rubbing and I will have to find a way to remount the skidplate. I have a 3.4 motor and auto trans from 1996 tacoma that will replace the 2.3. I am going to send the tranny and tcase to marlin crawler for a rebuild with lower first gear and 4.7's in the tcase. I am still looking for the d44 front only now a drivers drop to match the tacoma driveline. I started fender trimming today and it looks like I will have room for 37's. I can only hope it turns out looking like Grampa's :flipoff2: Thats all I have for now will try to get pics up soon.

If I were going to do it again, for better locker selection and gears, I would put a Dana 44 back there to match the front D44.

Hey man, I have a 91 Trooper with Calmini sus lift and 3" body. I just bought a 4.3 with computer, starter, wiring harnes... and want to do sas. Where should I start and how much do you think it will cost. I can weld a lil bit, but might not want to take the chance. Where are u getting parts... I am running 35" ground hawgs now and want to run 38.5x15's by Christmas. Email me and I will give you my # so we can talk. I was looking for a gm 10bolt to no avail.
4.3 being rebuilt slowly, but will be as high performance as i can get it when I put it in. Will run Nos and maybe supercharge it, eventually. I want sas done first.
Derek

Yeah I could have went with a 44 in the back too but stayed zu just for the heck of it just gotta cough up more cash for the ARB. I finally got a front axle out of an 82 Wagoneer drivers drop non-vacuum dissconnect 62" rotor to rotor drivers drop to match the toyota t-case. With the back axle in and at ride height it measure 44in. to the top of the fender. Looks like plenty of room for 37"+ tires with some minor trimming. Start welding on the front sometime next week. I'll try and get pics up if I can find a digital Camera.

Hi,

I used a toyot FJ40 axle in the front with precision gears to match the 4.56 rear and ARBs. This worked well but I had to widen the axle,... I understand that the FJ80 axle, however, is a good match for the isuzu axle width.

http://www.twistedandes.com/imagenes/gringo/DSC00052.JPG

http://www.twistedandes.com/imagenes/gringo/DSCF0040.jpeg

good luck

Here's some pic of my latest Progress I finally went to Kansas to get my motor. Had to drive about 500 miles to Fredonia Kansas almost Oklahoma. Its a 3.4 v-6 from a 1996 toyota tacoma.
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/motorpull.jpg
It was an easy pull from the old truck because it had been rolled and had heavy front end damage so I just cut the front clip out and pulled the motor straight forward. Hydrabeds make awesome motor cranes!!!
http://www.freewebs.com/lorne/motorhanging.jpg

nice steal!

how much did that motor cost you? what kind of mounts are you going to use for that 3.4? Did you grab the tranny for it too or is it not a 4x4? good job, keep us posted.

Yeah I got the tranmission and tcase too got a heck of a deal $1500 everything motor, trans, radiator, front driveshaft, computer, wiring harness, basically anything I wanted to take off the truck for that set price and it was a close friends with low miles and I now how it was driven when it was still in the truck. Here is a pic of the tranny and my Dana 44 front end. Hope to get twin sticks and 4.7's for that tranny-tcase. Here's a question for you guys who have doen a fuel injected motor swap I had the carb 2.3 in this before and I need a new fuel pump to have enough pressure for tacoma 3.4 will the sending unit from a later model fuel injected trooper fit into my tank and will it have enough pressure to the the tacoma EFI. If not can I take the while tank from a newer trooper and use it???? This was an issue I hadn't thought of when I started the Project just looking for some input. More pics soon.

Needing some suggestions from you guys running 3.4 motors and solid axles my 3.4 sticks up about 4 in. above where the hood should be but if I would mount it lower then there isn't room for the axle to flex. I am running alot of lift enough to clear 37's but the 3.4 seems really tall in comparsion to other motors I know it can be done but the shop thats doing the welding and motor work is at a loss for ideas I don't really want to run any body lift to fit the motor under the hood and hood scoops arent my style either. Any suggestions would be apreciated.

uh, you realize everyone else is running a 3.4 chevy motor, right? i imagine you're the first person to use a 3.4 toy motor, so i wouldn't expect much help from experience. only two suggestions i can offer are sourcing a different shape pan (if one exists that fits your motor) from another toyota vehicle, maybe a 2wd truck? or, a cowl induction type hood. a little more "tasteful" imo than scoop.

anything happen with this?

Yeah its still going Much much slower than I had hoped. the motor is in but not wired its sitting on the D44 with the stock Zu springs on all four corners Matt's SAS steer kit and shackles. Its sitting in my driveway on 36in. TSL's looks pretty good very similar to matts old four door rig. needs driveshafts and tranny crosmember. Also scout steering box and different oil pan for the toyota 3.4 motor because it hits the steering. Which is my current problem really haven't done much lately due to lack of money but I hope to have it going by May for Zuzu fest.

Current photos
http://h1.ripway.com/Lorne/troop1.jpg
http://h1.ripway.com/Lorne/troop3.jpg

Axle is in but It will hit the steering arm when it travels up as you can see in the 2nd photo. I need to get ahold of a scout box. Still got aways to go wish I had more money and more time.

More
http://home.ripway.com/2005-4/287881/04-11-05_1610[2].jpg http://home.ripway.com/2005-4/287881/04-11-05_1612[1].jpg
http://home.ripway.com/2005-4/287881/04-11-05_1608[1].jpg

maybe i'm blind but i don't see any photos

hope thats better i am linking impaired sometimes

Uzi,
looks great, i'm in the middle of my sas on my 91 trooper. just curious if mine will sit about that size? soa rear, on stock springs. sas front on bj60 springs with new 35" krawlers. looks great though. i'm having a bitch of a time with cutting my ifs shit out. but soon. hope to have it all out and hangers welded in by the end of the month.

Jay

Thanks. Yeah cutting off the old stuff is a pain took me forever too. Mine is SOA rear....SUA front with stock ZU spring packs in all four corners. revolver shackles in the rear and indy4x's in the front. Those tires are 36's TSL's looks like i should have plenty of room should have done 37's.

yeh, i also have extended shackles that i took of my jeep, about 1.5" lift. how tall is say oyur drivers side window. at the bottom, that way i can geta feel.

thanks
Jay

Not for sure i am out of town but i will get a number for you when i make back home

Yeah its still going Much much slower than I had hoped. the motor is in but not wired its sitting on the D44 with the stock Zu springs on all four corners Matt's SAS steer kit and shackles. Its sitting in my driveway on 36in. TSL's looks pretty good very similar to matts old four door rig. needs driveshafts and tranny crosmember. Also scout steering box and different oil pan for the toyota 3.4 motor because it hits the steering. Which is my current problem really haven't done much lately due to lack of money but I hope to have it going by May for Zuzu fest.

dont know how much research u have done, but i think most guys use a oil pan from a t-100 when doing sas on a tacoma since its a rear sump instead of front. dont know if this would help u in your application though.
u can search www.tacomaterritory.com to find out more info on this.