Who thinks cutting a Rover is WRONG?

[RockRover]

Okay...Nice to see some fellow Rover owners on this site...BUT! ;) Who thinks cutting :eek:, modifying and essentially destroying a perfectly good LR for the sake of doing what you want to do (because you can) is okay?

Just trying to see how many purest are on this board :smokin:

-D

[Old Scout]

Originally posted by RockRover


Just trying to see how many purest are on this board :smokin:

-D
NOT IF I CAN HELP IT! :vader: :vader: :rasta:

[RockRover]

Hee hee hee! Good new's man! :roxy:

[roverhybrids]

I think the end result will be the deciding factor. But this relates to any vehicle.
I thought the propper term was butcher:D

[ErikS]

I will be trimming my rear quarters as soon as my RTE springs get here(in shipping somewhere).

[evilfij]

I will hack (and have) but I would not cut a rear door or panel beneth a rear door on a RR or disco. won't seal then and you are asking to have your rear door rust away.

Ron

[GRNRVR]

I'm getting ready to do some trimming as soon as I get my new tires. Just a little bit though. However, at some point I'm going to put even bigger tires on and I will have to do some real cutting to fit them I think. However, a 1 3/4 body lift with my 4+ inches suspension lift may help keep the trimming from becoming hacking....

[Cutter]

it's your Rover, do whatever the hell ya want! Make a Disco II rock buggy (that would be cool!).

[Jtisdale]

D

Kinda after the fact for you insn't it. Post some pics of your front fenders...I won't do it to my 90 but yours looks pretty sweeeeet!

Johnathan

[RockRover]

Originally posted by Jtisdale
D

Kinda after the fact for you insn't it. Post some pics of your front fenders...I won't do it to my 90 but yours looks pretty sweeeeet!

Johnathan

Hey big John! Good to see you over here! Actually I was just trying to see how many purest we have here...So far. ;)

Yup...It's after the fact for sure for me...But just wait! After I get the 42's under the rig, I'm almost sure the front fenders will have to be cut even higher if I want a 50/50 up to down travel (and keep the CG at a reasonable level). The rear tub is the main issue for me right now...Fitting the coil-overs on top of the axle tube is gonna' require me cutting holes in the rear fender-wells'...And I might have to loose them all together to get any kind of up travel with full width axles. Yup. I'm a sick bastard for sure! :rasta: :rasta:

[Strange Rover]

Hey D

If the sheet metal has got to be cut then its got to be cut. There comes a time in everyones life when you know you just gotta step up to the plate and belt it out of the park. It dosent matter what its made of or who made it you just gotta suck it up, grab the sawzall and get into it.

As Im certain you know its only the first cut that hurts. Once you get past the first one its all good and there is no reason to stop.

On a D90 anyway all the panals are easily replacable if you ever wanted to go back to other side.

As for the rear tub. You know what you have to do. Stop rooting around with all the questions and get in there cut the inner guards out and lift the inner guards to the top of the outer guards where you know where they have gotta be (this way you will have the same clearance as the front inner guard which is what you need)

Cut it. :flipoff2:

Sam

[winterhk]

http://www.discoweb.org/brianjackson/sidedriveway.jpg

This was my Disco about a month ago. 35s with 3" lift...I'm cutting more and more everyday. When I cut my Qpanels off two years ago, everyone was blown away and I caught soooo much shit. I'm now catching sooo much shit for putting 35/12.50s on a Disco.

Fu*k it, do what you want and let others do the same. So Doug, gonna start making those external front shock mounts again soon?

:skull:Brian:skull:

[RockRover]

Originally posted by Strange Rover
Hey D

As for the rear tub. You know what you have to do. Stop rooting around with all the questions and get in there cut the inner guards out and lift the inner guards to the top of the outer guards where you know where they have gotta be (this way you will have the same clearance as the front inner guard which is what you need)

Cut it. :flipoff2:

Sam

Gidday' Sam! Small world eh? A year ago we never new each other, and now I see ya' all the time! Killer!

Yup...I'm not afraid of chopping anymore...But what the heck are you talking about in the quote above? :confused: Cut inner guards out...Move to the top of outer guards? Is that Aussie talk for fenders? :flipoff2:

Actually that's what I plan to do...Unless I decide to just remove them completely and have a flat panel across the bed area. Dunno'. What I do know is that I just HAVE to finish this damn house project so I can get to what I've been FAWKIN PLANNING for 5 FRIGGIN MONTHS! :mad: Actually it's not all that bad...The house is now awesome, and my truck will be too...Just all takes sooooooo much time...So many things, so little time.

O'yea, Sam your project's looking VERY cool! When are the 39.5's arriving in the mail?

--D

[RockRover]

Originally posted by winterhk


This was my Disco about a month ago. 35s with 3" lift...I'm cutting more and more everyday. When I cut my Qpanels off two years ago, everyone was blown away and I caught soooo much shit. I'm now catching sooo much shit for putting 35/12.50s on a Disco.

Fu*k it, do what you want and let others do the same. So Doug, gonna start making those external front shock mounts again soon?

:skull:Brian:skull:

Hey Brian! Fawking awesome Disco my friend! FINALLY someone with the BALL's to do what the fawk they want to do even with the cry-baby wannabe ars-holes slingin' shiat. :smokin: That has to be IMO the most "right" looking Disco I've scene...How those beirfields holding up? After about my 6th beirfield, and a R&P I made the plunge into the Dana world. I love my truck to the point that I just couldn't sell her and start a buggie...Even though that's what I'll eventually turn her into...What the hell. Either way the finished platform is gonna' cost if it's done right.

Shock-mount production is still about 4-5 weeks out. My pee brain only handles one major project at a time. Once the home project is finished I'll be in the shop full time. Stay tuned.

--D

[tblackj]

In my humble newbie to the Rover world opinion, I don't understand why you are cutting up a D90 (that's worth 25k) and putting dana axles under it and dana 300 transfer case. It sounds like you could've bought an old POS Jeep and done the same thing for about 20k less. To each their own and it sounds like you have an awesome rig, it just sounds strange to me but what the hell do I know. Good luck with your rig and if you want to cut then cut away. Just remember to measure once, then measure again, then measure one last time then cut the SOB.

[RockRover]

Originally posted by tblackj
In my humble newbie to the Rover world opinion, I don't understand why you are cutting up a D90 (that's worth 25k) and putting dana axles under it and dana 300 transfer case. It sounds like you could've bought an old POS Jeep and done the same thing for about 20k less. To each their own and it sounds like you have an awesome rig, it just sounds strange to me but what the hell do I know. Good luck with your rig and if you want to cut then cut away. Just remember to measure once, then measure again, then measure one last time then cut the SOB.

No worries man. I've thought the same thing...Countless times. But I've got such an EMOTIONAL investment into the rig that I just can't see owning something that "everybody" else has. It's the reason why I bought the D90 in the first place. But as my skills and my ambitions grew, I quickly out-grew the 90's capacities. Then the upgrades started. After countless hours, $ and busted knuckels she's what she is today. Is it good enough? Heck no! So what's the next logical step? More mod's of course. However, I've done all I can do with the stock drive-train, and I still break (with tender-foot driving). The dana's were a means to be able to keep the vehicle and not break (as often). I really love the look of full-width axles under any truck, and well, the rest is history...Or at least soon will be! Besides, what's a new TJ cost? And the D90 market is finally going soft. A friend of mine just picked up a peach of a 90 for 16K! Man! A deal for sure, but IMO that' the trend.

-D

[Strange Rover]

Yup...I'm not afraid of chopping anymore...But what the heck are you talking about in the quote above? Cut inner guards out...Move to the top of outer guards? Is that Aussie talk for fenders?


Fenders, SH!T NO, DONT CUT THEM!! I thought we were talking about guards.

Can I change my vote.


AH dosent matter. CUT THE BLOODY FENDERS :D :D


The tyres will come. Probably within the next 6 months (end of financial year - tax thing) Think I will need some lower diff gears as well (currently 4.09s)

[RockRover]

Originally posted by Strange Rover



Fenders, SH!T NO, DONT CUT THEM!! I thought we were talking about guards.

Can I change my vote.


AH dosent matter. CUT THE BLOODY FENDERS :D :D


The tyres will come. Probably within the next 6 months (end of financial year - tax thing) Think I will need some lower diff gears as well (currently 4.09s)



LMAO! Too funny man!

Yea if I were you man I'd get the Maxi low-range kit and then step up to 5:13's with 39.5's...Are you gonna' do anything with the wb? You must know how easy it would be to get another 7" out of the rear eh? ;)

--D

[winterhk]

Hey thanks Doug,

it's gettin there. I'm doing like you, just waaay behind. I'm not by any means beyond it's capacities...although I have a pile of Maxidrive axles and CVs in my garage! If I could throw a D60 up front I would in a heartbeat. I'm definitely not a purist. And I don't really mind the shit I catch for it.

Brian

I hear you on the one project at a time thing!

[RockRover]

A pile of Maxi stuff eh? Is that because you twisted the axles, or do you have them as spares?

I twisted the splines on one of my Maxi's...I'm sure the Hy-Tuff alloy in a 30 spline would hold up awesome...Even with a 38. Considered going that route, but just couldn't get off 1.5" diameter phatties...Even though mathmatically, a 30 spline 1.3" dia. hy-tuff is VERY close to the strength of a standard Spicer alloy 1.5" 35 spline shaft.


--D

[evilfij]

I don't think there are too many rear maxidrives in that pile, eh brian?

It is the cvs that always go and take front axles, even maxis, with them.

[winterhk]

nAH,

No rears, it's when the CV gos, the splines shear on the fronts. Fawkin terribly weak. I'm just alot easier on the gas now;)

And...even on easy night runs close to camp...no more :beer:

:skull: Brian:skull:

[evilfij]

I need to get a pic of a CV with a red circle with a line through it just like that toyota guy with the birfield.

My buddy Dom just cracked a cv this past week. first one I have seen that did not sheer the inners as it just cracked and vibed on acceleration.

I am not putting maxi inners in until an improved cv comes out.

I just hoard spares :) as it is just a matter of time :mad2:

I am up to 3 extra which I consider an accomplishment given the price new of the POSes.

Ron

[Cutter]

Originally posted by tblackj
In my humble newbie to the Rover world opinion, I don't understand why you are cutting up a D90 (that's worth 25k) and putting dana axles under it and dana 300 transfer case. It sounds like you could've bought an old POS Jeep and done the same thing for about 20k less. To each their own and it sounds like you have an awesome rig, it just sounds strange to me but what the hell do I know. Good luck with your rig and if you want to cut then cut away. Just remember to measure once, then measure again, then measure one last time then cut the SOB.


Good Points, but then why build a Jeep? You can start cheaper with a Samuri;)

[tblackj]

Like I said, I am new to the Rover world, but I have a question. Are Rover axles crap or something? I thought they were supposed to be real tough axles. I'm going to run 32" tires on mine, am I going to break axles or something?

[winterhk]

you certainly could break axles...

It's not definmite...but it's about as weak as your YJ with the 400 and 44s if you were running lockers and 35s

Just be asy on the gas, especially with the front

brian

[tblackj]

Are the front axles like Toyotas with Birfields? I wheel with a bunch of Toys and they will not back up with the wheel turned. But I also see those guys running 38's with no trouble as long as they don't hammer it.

[winterhk]

Same deal...our CVs may be a little stronger thasn the Birfields, but almost same design...just a hell of alot more $$$ to replace because Pep Boys doesn't make em.

If know Birfields, you know Rovers

[Strange Rover]

Originally posted by RockRover

Yea if I were you man I'd get the Maxi low-range kit and then step up to 5:13's with 39.5's...Are you gonna' do anything with the wb? You must know how easy it would be to get another 7" out of the rear eh?


Yea probably will get some 5.13s dont know where to get them or how much they will cost in oz. I can get some front cut 4.56s (or something close) from an importer which come from the US out of some chev I think for about $300 AUS each. But I guess this would not be really low enough for the 39.5s.

I carnt get the 4.3:1 transfer gears from maxi as he only does them for the LT230 transfer and I got a LT95.

So that some 5.13 would give me about 70:1 do you think this is low enough??

I still could swap in the TF727 and the LT230 but Im not to sure I would like the auto. I really like the 4000rpm second gear launches I can get out of the manual.

A longer wheelbase would be usefull with all the climbing that we do but Ive sort of run out of body. The front wheels poke out the front by 2in and the rears are level with the back. This is wth the 36s and 100in wb. The overall length of the 2a swb body is 134.5in. How you gonna go with the 107in wb and 42s with the d90 body. Your gonna have tyres sticking out all over the place :D . How long is the d90 body??

Sam

[Rover Addiction]

Hack, Hack, Hack!!!

I know I'm doing it. And the best part is, the panels can be replaced to make a stock rig if I so desire!

As far as weak axles, the axle shafts are not the strongest out there, but far better than your run-o' the mill Jeep set-up. We can replace the shafts with better alloys and larger diameter shafts and run lockers without too much trouble. Just watch the front CVs and stock spares. I found a junkyard here that sells the stock CVs with shaft for $150 per side. Not cheap, but better than anywhere else I have found so far. I can't wait to find a stronger set-up!

Oh yeah, and they're full-floaters so you don't lose your wheel when you break an axle. Can't complain about that! the rears are an easy 5-minute swap!

-John

[RockRover]

Originally posted by Strange Rover



Yea probably will get some 5.13s dont know where to get them or how much they will cost in oz. I can get some front cut 4.56s (or something close) from an importer which come from the US out of some chev I think for about $300 AUS each. But I guess this would not be really low enough for the 39.5s.

I carnt get the 4.3:1 transfer gears from maxi as he only does them for the LT230 transfer and I got a LT95.

So that some 5.13 would give me about 70:1 do you think this is low enough??

I still could swap in the TF727 and the LT230 but Im not to sure I would like the auto. I really like the 4000rpm second gear launches I can get out of the manual.

A longer wheelbase would be usefull with all the climbing that we do but Ive sort of run out of body. The front wheels poke out the front by 2in and the rears are level with the back. This is wth the 36s and 100in wb. The overall length of the 2a swb body is 134.5in. How you gonna go with the 107in wb and 42s with the d90 body. Your gonna have tyres sticking out all over the place :D . How long is the d90 body??

Sam

Once you go auto, you wont look back! I thought the same thing as you, but it's one of the best mods' I've done.

Well 107 is the dream wb. Looking at it I can get 7" easy out of the rear and have close to a 90 deg. departure...Move it another 2" and I've got better than 90 deg departure. So that puts me at 102"...I know I can get at least 4" out of the front, so there you go. This is the best case. Worst case I'll end up with 105". It's really going to get down to what looks right. I wont go past 2" sticking out in the rear, and I'm limited to 4" (axle forward) in the front, which should get me close to 80deg approach. Anyway you "cut" it (hee, hee), the 42's are gonna' be a squeeze.

--D


--D

[merv]

Originally posted by tblackj
In my humble newbie to the Rover world opinion, I don't understand why you are cutting up a D90 (that's worth 25k) and putting dana axles under it and dana 300 transfer case. It sounds like you could've bought an old POS Jeep and done the same thing for about 20k less. To each their own and it sounds like you have an awesome rig, it just sounds strange to me but what the hell do I know. Good luck with your rig and if you want to cut then cut away. Just remember to measure once, then measure again, then measure one last time then cut the SOB.

The thing I dont get, is why not start with a S I or II or III? If your gonna replace the axles, tranny, box, engine, steering, springs, shocks, wheels, tires, you can get the same shape body and windscreen and oil leaks and wind drafts and rain holes in a SIII as a D90 for a lot less Cash :D :D :D

???

[RockRover]

Originally posted by merv


The thing I don't get, is why not start with a S I or II or III? If your gonna replace the axles, tranny, box, engine, steering, springs, shocks, wheels, tires, you can get the same shape body and windscreen and oil leaks and wind drafts and rain holes in a SIII as a D90 for a lot less Cash :D :D :D

???

If I lived on the other side of the pond I could probably find a nice SIII for a few :beer: BUT being in New Mexico, finding anything clean for under 9-10k is a stretch. Then I'd need a new lump, trans, t-case, frame(maybe), PS-pump, gauges, wiring, yada' yada' yada'...Now that SIII is a 25K+ rig.

Honestly, I've come to the realization that the ONLY thing worth $25+K on a LR D90 is the title! I've got plans for that title! O'yes! Can you say Defender 90/130? :eek:

--D

[Jtisdale]

Does cutting the flares on my 90 count?:D :D :D

JT

[RockRover]

Uhhh....

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: No fawkin way newbie!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Don't worry, you'll get that sawzall itch soon enough!

--D

[marty]

Originally posted by evilfij
I will hack (and have) but I would not cut a rear door or panel beneth a rear door on a RR or disco. won't seal then and you are asking to have your rear door rust away.

Ron

Ron

I'll let you know how I make out when I come back from ECR with my fender flares. You know that sawzall is going to be working overtime on the fenders and rear doors, got to make room for those 35's:cool2:

Just got my 3-link delivered, so it's going to be a very busy few weeks ahead.

I'm trying to catch up to Brian Jackson :) :)

Marty

[winterhk]

Marty,

Are yuo doing your flares yourself, or are you having ECR do it? Hopefully you do it your self...

I was thinkin I might be bale to get a template or two from your flares and make those nice angled cuts that ECR has.

Shoot me an email with what you're gonna do... winterhk@together.net

Later
:skull: Brian :skull:

[willysfreak]

SI-Don't do it you sick &%^!
SII-if its beat, why not?
SIII-yeah baby, Sawzall time!
Anything newer, Cut it 'til you can't tell it's a rover, then cut some more, it'll be fine, don't worry about it

[aaronlosey]

CUT IT!!!