Sorry no tube buggy here :flipoff2: ...Here is one of my buddys project Kick......who knows maybe in a couple of years from now Sammis will become extinct and all that will be left are the kicks to build (hope not :flipoff2: )
the rig will probably see the pavement more then the treils....
But A kick on 35"s just looks Cool :D
Off with the IFS (It Fawking Sucks:flipoff2: )

the Purdy front hanger:p

How he did the front hanger.......
Oh yeah slide under the Toy axles and the 35" Boggers

finished mounting the front hanger:D

another view of the front ..........

steering.....

upper front shocks

fronts done:D

rear hanger.......

thats the last pic for now.......more to come;)

Where is that you make Kitty Scared Avatar.... ???

That suspension / steering looks scarry, but i've got to give him props for the 35's on a track/kick with a SAS. I've considered going with some Chevy style truck rear leaf frame mounts so the springs can be mounted out board the frame on full width Dana 44's sitting with a little less height and more cut fenders. I know I'll hear crap about D-44's & 35's but I'm looking at an East Coast beater 4-dr 4-cyl pavement pounder / mud runner.

I realize it is a big step form thinking about doing it to lighting off the tourch. Thumbs up :flipoff2: keep us posted on how it works...

Originally posted by whitfield
Where is that you make Kitty Scared Avatar.... ???



:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by whitfield
That suspension / steering looks scarry, but i've got to give him props for the 35's on a track/kick with a SAS.

yeah a little more gusseting here and there...And I myself am not a real fan of welded steering I would rather spend the coin for a little piece of mind;) But I really cant comment on why he did it the way he did....He lurks here on the board but is not registered...

Did i see this right i didnt notice any shackles, wont that make for a rough ride. The steering dont look too safe to me either, but the rest of the rig looks great. (edit) thanks for the pics of the shackles it looks great, More ideas to build from when i do mine.

Originally posted by mypayperview
Did i see this right i didnt notice any shackles............ :rolleyes: They are at the other end of the springs :D

Looks kewl. When do we get some action shots?

BTW, I agree on the steering. I would add a gusset bewteen the arms and overlap the joint on the arm with a piece of 3/16 or 1/4 welded on each side to strengthen it. That's a LOT of leverage over not much weld.

It must be cool. It's even the same color mine is...:D
It does look a bit taller though. The leaf set up will do it if you don't fawk with the frame rails.

Re steering: Are you running the Sami drop pitman? If not, try that.
It will will help keep the angle down...

Pretty cool. Im not sure about the shockmounts or the steering. But hey, there's always time for improvements :D

Originally posted by whitfield
Where is that you make Kitty Scared Avatar.... ???

That suspension / steering looks scarry, but i've got to give him props for the 35's on a track/kick with a SAS. I've considered going with some Chevy style truck rear leaf frame mounts so the springs can be mounted out board the frame on full width Dana 44's sitting with a little less height and more cut fenders. I know I'll hear crap about D-44's & 35's but I'm looking at an East Coast beater 4-dr 4-cyl pavement pounder / mud runner.

I realize it is a big step form thinking about doing it to lighting off the tourch. Thumbs up :flipoff2: keep us posted on how it works...

Avitar to the left :flipoff2:

Actually the only thing that looks a bit tight is that steering arm, and the shock mounts. I have a feeling he is going to fold that mount over if he his a pot hole. not to mention the sharp coners on it where it bolts to the body will cut the shock tower open like a can opener.

only other thing to watch out for is stress cracks on the square tube for the spring mounts.

but really, it looks like it will work, just kind watch those areas for potential failures.

Originally posted by Orionn


Avitar to the left :flipoff2:

Actually the only thing that looks a bit tight is that steering arm, and the shock mounts. I have a feeling he is going to fold that mount over if he his a pot hole. not to mention the sharp coners on it where it bolts to the body will cut the shock tower open like a can opener.

only other thing to watch out for is stress cracks on the square tube for the spring mounts.

but really, it looks like it will work, just kind watch those areas for potential failures.

OK, a few things here..."Tight" is a word used to descibe something that is PERFECT, not life threaghtening. I.E.> A "Tight ride" is tweaked to perfection from every possible angle.
Second, the shock mounts are attached to THE FRAME, not the body. That is where the coil/strut assembly used to sit....I THINK it will handle a friggin shock. Which brings me to the next point, a shock CONTROLS a suspension, it is not THE suspension. That's why I get a kick out of people pulling the sleeves out of the shock bushings and then mounting them with 3/4 inch bolts! If they are bending either the mounts or the bolts...THEY ARE NOT MOUNTED RIGHT! Don't use shocks for bumpstops and you could mount them to the bottom of your damn floor.

Originally posted by twistedmetal


OK, a few things here..."Tight" is a word used to descibe something that is PERFECT, not life threaghtening. I.E.> A "Tight ride" is tweaked to perfection from every possible angle.
Second, the shock mounts are attached to THE FRAME, not the body. That is where the coil/strut assembly used to sit....I THINK it will handle a friggin shock. Which brings me to the next point, a shock CONTROLS a suspension, it is not THE suspension. That's why I get a kick out of people pulling the sleeves out of the shock bushings and then mounting them with 3/4 inch bolts! If they are bending either the mounts or the bolts...THEY ARE NOT MOUNTED RIGHT! Don't use shocks for bumpstops and you could mount them to the bottom of your damn floor.

Not that I need to defend my observations, but I will clairify them:

I am NOT using the word 'tight' as slang, and though some may have interpeted/used it in that way, I did not read it as such, forgive me, I am 'Old' and not up on slang.

I used it to describe the position the steering arm holds in relation to the tire. the picture does not clearly show the distance from the tire to the arm. My concern there was sidewal flex on the tire and possable damage to it from the arm. Unless a better picture is given, or a measurment, nothing more can be said on this.

As for the shock mount, I am fully aware of the funtion of a shock absorber, that being said, I maintain that the mount is NOT sufficently braced for the side loads it WILL recieve under full tire jounce. Shock absorbers do NOT travle just along the axis of its body, in reality, during compression and rebound they travle a somewhat circular path along its axis. this motion will create considerable force along the new mount, cousing it to move in an opposite circular path, weakening the exteded mount and its attachments. That movement will also couse the sharp corners of the mounting plate to place undue stress on the surrounding sheetmetal of the shock towers, causing stress fractures at some point, and possable failure.

The simple fix is to radius the corners of the extension mounting plate, 1/2" or better would do, and add a secondary attachment from the extension to the shock tower closer to the shock mount. This will help control the movment of the extension.

I agree, shocks should never be used as a bumpstop for your suspension, nor should the be used in the place of a limiting strap. Though most never consider that unless the shock is limiting the droop of the suspension.

As for mounting the shocks to your floor as you stated (hypothetically of course), even 'properly' mounted shocks, will 'oil can' the mounting area to the point of failure quickly unless sufficently and properly reinforced.

I hope that this has cleared up the point I was trying to make in my previous post.

Overall, I think that your on the right track with this mod, I just offered a bit of advice is all. Kind of a 'heads up' if you will.

So, what are you doing about shackles?

Originally posted by twistedmetal


OK, a few things here..."Tight" is a word used to descibe something that is PERFECT, not life threaghtening. I.E.> A "Tight ride" is tweaked to perfection from every possible angle.



I prefer to make my own mind up on what "tight" means when not applied as it's actual dictionary definition, thank you very much;) I agree with Orionn totally on this one, well said dude:D



To me it looks like the tre is almost binding at level suspension rest, let alone at full droop:eek: Wouldn't it bind up or possibly bend/break? And bumpsteer from Hell I'm thinking!

I am not knocking the guy's efforts at all, I think it's awesome, just a little dicey here and there.

Originally posted by Orionn

So, what are you doing about shackles?



here is the front....

Originally posted by mypayperview

Did i see this right i didnt notice any shackles, wont that make for a rough ride



Shackle reversal.....mypayperview:flipoff2:

The rear is not done..But here is where the rear shackle is going to sit.....

front shackle angle looks perfect:)

drop link shackles for the rear?

Originally posted by UZI 9mm


drop link shackles for the rear?

:idea:

as for any of the critique it will all be taken with a grain of salt....... I would not have posted it here and expected any less...
As far as the rig goes I cannot really comment much on it (I give it a A for effort though) cause I have 2 kicks sitting in front of my house and I always stare at them and dream...(2 many projects not nearly enough time;) I do think that the rig is sitting a little to high for my taste (the off camber stuff will just tip it over)...but unfortunatly I dont think the rig will be wheeled all that much.....

What spring are you using?

Originally posted by Orionn


Not that I need to defend my observations, but I will clairify them:

I am NOT using the word 'tight' as slang, and though some may have interpeted/used it in that way, I did not read it as such, forgive me, I am 'Old' and not up on slang.

I used it to describe the position the steering arm holds in relation to the tire. the picture does not clearly show the distance from the tire to the arm. My concern there was sidewal flex on the tire and possable damage to it from the arm. Unless a better picture is given, or a measurment, nothing more can be said on this.

As for the shock mount, I am fully aware of the funtion of a shock absorber, that being said, I maintain that the mount is NOT sufficently braced for the side loads it WILL recieve under full tire jounce. Shock absorbers do NOT travle just along the axis of its body, in reality, during compression and rebound they travle a somewhat circular path along its axis. this motion will create considerable force along the new mount, cousing it to move in an opposite circular path, weakening the exteded mount and its attachments. That movement will also couse the sharp corners of the mounting plate to place undue stress on the surrounding sheetmetal of the shock towers, causing stress fractures at some point, and possable failure.

The simple fix is to radius the corners of the extension mounting plate, 1/2" or better would do, and add a secondary attachment from the extension to the shock tower closer to the shock mount. This will help control the movment of the extension.

I agree, shocks should never be used as a bumpstop for your suspension, nor should the be used in the place of a limiting strap. Though most never consider that unless the shock is limiting the droop of the suspension.

As for mounting the shocks to your floor as you stated (hypothetically of course), even 'properly' mounted shocks, will 'oil can' the mounting area to the point of failure quickly unless sufficently and properly reinforced.

I hope that this has cleared up the point I was trying to make in my previous post.

Overall, I think that your on the right track with this mod, I just offered a bit of advice is all. Kind of a 'heads up' if you will.

So, what are you doing about shackles?



OK, my post was kinda meant in a smartass approach, but I was in a really bad mood, so I didn't sound very funny. And NO, you didn't have to defend anything! I'm becoming so good at prickness that it just oozes out of me naturally, now!:flipoff2:
It's hard for me to point out one or two small things, when everything needs improvement...BUT he will more than likely wheel this thing 3 times as much and have more fun with less probs than I ever will, that's how these things work. So, what do I know?
I know I have a hangover, my Kick is giving me another headache on top of that, and I haven't REALLY wheeled in years, now.:( I need to have my shop burn down so I can step out of it for a few seconds this year!

Originally posted by Islandzuki as for any of the critique it will all be taken with a grain of salt....... I would not have posted it here and expected any less... I do think that the rig is sitting a little to high for my taste (the off camber stuff will just tip it over)...but unfortunatly I dont think the rig will be wheeled all that much..... continued; as it will be my primary mall cruiser. :flipoff2:

:D

Originally posted by misfortune83
:D
And, um...why are you putting that here? Get that shit in Shit-Chat.

Originally posted by twistedmetal

And, um...why are you putting that here? Get that shit in Shit-Chat.

maybe its his self portrait:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Islandzuki


maybe its his self portrait:rolleyes:

naw thats Frodo Baggins,,, you know the lil hobit...The gremlin is probly his favorite pet......

As for the Kick,,, props to pete for takeing on the prodject....One thing we know for shure is that those welds are solid....He has more welding and fab experience then both Islandzuki and I combined...Just gotta get him to shead some of his oldschool thinking....

Originally posted by Islandzuki


maybe its his self portrait:rolleyes: Perhaps he's been 'doing' the neighbors cat again!:eek:

Originally posted by 88zuker
What spring are you using?

it has stiff ass toy springs:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Islandzuki
It has stiff ass toy springs:flipoff2: If it's a toy rear spring, which I assume he'd use for the offset, your off your rocker.

A toy rear has a 130 lb/in spring rate. Anything much lighter than that, and it'd have to have 1mm thick leaves. Toy rears are flexy... but most toy guys have to add a leaf or two to get a decent ride out of them. So on a 3 pound suzuki, they might be perfect. :flipoff2:

So on a 3 pound suzuki, they might be perfect.

Um nope....if you go to my website and look at the pic's you will see a zuk that is always wheels up....that zuk uses toy 2wd rear springs front and rear....Toy springs are way to stiff for zuks....