Pics, not so great. Anyhow here ya go, front shot of the box. Didn't have to remove the bump stops, shock hoop, but while we there we went ahead. However we did have to take out the body mount, plate the fram and cut the innner fender well out, as well as a little trimming on the front of the grill.

Used the factory resovoir, cut the angled mounts off and rewelded them on so that it sits flat and put it where the jack used to sit. We also used all the factory lines.

factory pump, it use to bolt straight to the engine and use a tensioner pulley. Did some trimming on the bracket and add a tab with an ajustment arm, now it swings like a chevy pump. Also the pump comes with a vacum switch that runs to the intake, cut the top off and welded it so that it works as a plug now.

Do you have any side shots or shots of your pump brackets
also with the body mount gone how are you securing front corner
once you found the spot you were mounting it in was it just lay it up drill and bolt???????

close up, shot of the plug and the little adjustment arm.

OOPS must have caught you in the middle of uploading:D :D

pic of the pitman arm we TB made me, I use 3/4 heims.

pic of other shock hoop thats going in.

to use the Toy rag joint and U joints we cut the end off the Sammy shaft and welded it to the toy set up. Nothing fancy.

Originally posted by Rockrat
Do you have any side shots or shots of your pump brackets
also with the body mount gone how are you securing front corner
once you found the spot you were mounting it in was it just lay it up drill and bolt???????

Still working on a new body mount and some finishing touches, and as far as laying the box in We plated the frame with 1/4"x 4" flat stock. The frame also has the factory plate on the otherside so that helps sandwich the frame. One thing that we had to work with as far as the where the box goes is that I run Toy axles with All Pro Hy steer arms and the front has been moved forward about 1.5" so if the box is back to far the tie rod and the drag link will intersect/contact each other under compression.

As far as the rag joint goes, the toy ifs truck box uses four bolts to secure the joint. The stock one used two, the Toy box also has U- joints on it 3x the size of the stock u joints.:)

Cool I'm on my way to go get me the stuff right now:D

Looking good Phatty. Is that pump a truck pump? It looks a lot like the Celica pump.

It's out of a 85' runna, I think there the same pump. I'm sure, Tin Bender left his Runner out at the shop over last weekend so we stole his P/S.:D

FWIW, that's the same pump I have. I just went and checked.

I can post some pics of my IFS steering setup if you want, but it probably wouldn't do you much good. I have an IFS Toyota. ;)

Thanks Fatty, Now I know what I need to do. Don't look as difficult as I thought. Greats pics.:beer:

Thanks for the photos.

I should have had my IFS parts by now, looks like my seller disappeared. :confused:

Anyhow, I'm wondering if I'll be able to avoid the body mount mod if I keep the tie rod down below the springs, and only the drag link is up high. I'll have to take some mearurements once I get the parts in. The tierod is plenty strong to take the loads from the rocks.

I guess it would be OK if the pitman arm was a bit closer to the axle as long as the drag link clears the pumpkin..? Any issues here? Minor bump steer I'd guess.

Thanks again,

-Wayne

Originally posted by fatkid
Pics, not so great. Anyhow here ya go, front shot of the box. Didn't have to remove the bump stops, shock hoop, but while we there we went ahead. However we did have to take out the body mount, plate the fram and cut the innner fender well out, as well as a little trimming on the front of the grill.

Ok real dumb:question: here? Why is the IFS boxed used? Is it that much stronger than the celica? different ratio? or is it to do something different? Soon the Spidertrax guy's are going do a Rock ram for the celica box so that's not a factor.

Toyota IFS boxes are really strong, the reason we used this set up was cause it held up well on Tin Benders Runner with 35" no problem. Thought it might work great on a 2200lb Sammy with 33's. However ther're are quite a few people that run 38's with the stock toy set up.

Originally posted by Bill4rest


Ok real dumb:question: here? Why is the IFS boxed used? Is it that much stronger than the celica? different ratio? or is it to do something different? Soon the Spidertrax guy's are going do a Rock ram for the celica box so that's not a factor.

I'd also expect that the IFS Toy box would be a hell of a lot easier to source than the Celica box. At least in this area - Celicas of the correct vintage would have rusted to dust and/or been crushed years ago. I had heard that rebuilding the Celica box can be expensive because of parts prices. Dunno if it is true or not.

Looks like a slick fab and install, Fatkid! Mega-Kudos.

Originally posted by Root Moose


I'd also expect that the IFS Toy box would be a hell of a lot easier to source than the Celica box. At least in this area - Celicas of the correct vintage would have rusted to dust and/or been crushed years ago. I had heard that rebuilding the Celica box can be expensive because of parts prices. Dunno if it is true or not.

Looks like a slick fab and install, Fatkid! Mega-Kudos.

I was thinking that as well....I still need to rebuild my box:rasta:

The Box IS out of mt 85 Runner, but it's a late model IFS box...
I just didn't want any confusion:D:D:D

I think the hardest part of the whole install was make'n the backet for the side of the motor...... EASY, but still the hardest part..:D

Originally posted by Bill4rest


I was thinking that as well....I still need to rebuild my box:rasta:

Even here in Arizona (where stuff doesn't rust) the Canyon States guys (when they were active) cleaned out all the Celica boxes. The IFS boxes are plentiful, lots of those trucks around. As far as rebuilding the Celica box, it was maybe $12 in seals, can't remember. There is one hard to get seal (listed on my web site), if you can't fnd it I ordered two. I think they were 6$ a piece.

If anyone ever needs a Celica box the p-np by my house is full to the brim with those stupid things.

the box we used is from a 86 Toyota truck.

Scwafish
What were the celica boxes going for $$ at P-n-P?? I might head down there today and take a look.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


Even here in Arizona (where stuff doesn't rust) the Canyon States guys (when they were active) cleaned out all the Celica boxes. The IFS boxes are plentiful, lots of those trucks around. As far as rebuilding the Celica box, it was maybe $12 in seals, can't remember. There is one hard to get seal (listed on my web site), if you can't fnd it I ordered two. I think they were 6$ a piece.

What I had heard was for a complete rebuild (p;arts only) it was around $100USD.

I didn't check the prices locally so I dunno if I was being "given the goat" or what on that...possibly inflated Toy dealer prices.

Why use a car pump over the truck pump?? Are they cheaper?
As strong? Why Celica over P/u??

I'm running the IFS box for 2 reasons. I gain more space for my radiator, and I have seen the bottom end of the Celica box snap off. Not to mention that darn near every Celica box I have seen in a Zuk has been a leaky mess.

-Wayne

Zuk88-Theyre around $25

Why the Celica...its been done, and its easy, a good fit, and they are CHEAP. Probably not the best box, but it seems to work good on the sami. The IFS is a sweet unit and proven durable.

I've heard rumors that the Celica sector shaft can break but I know lots of people running it with no problems, including some guys on 36s so until then.

Any one seen a Saginaw box off a Scout installed?

It's on my to do list for the Sidekick - if any one has already done it I'm all ears.

Looks good fatty!!!

Originally posted by Root Moose
Any one seen a Saginaw box off a Scout installed?

It's on my to do list for the Sidekick - if any one has already done it I'm all ears.

I thought of that one... I wonder

The Scout Pittman arm faces forward, Looks like it would hit the spring hanger or shackle.

Originally posted by fatkid
The Scout Pittman arm faces forward, Looks like it would hit the spring hanger or shackle.

Do you know off hand if a full size Chev steering box is forward or rearward?

Just thinking ahead, if I do the x-over steering linkage mod on the Scout D44 front - that means I need to adapt GM knuckles, which means I need to verify if the Scout box will work with that and if the pitman arm length matches the aftermarket GM x-over steering arms...

If the Scout box doesn't work then I need to take a serious look at alternative boxes and the GM box to GM knuckle idea kind of makes sense if it will all fit under the front of the Kick.

Originally posted by Root Moose


Do you know off hand if a full size Chev steering box is forward or rearward?

Just thinking ahead, if I do the x-over steering linkage mod on the Scout D44 front - that means I need to adapt GM knuckles, which means I need to verify if the Scout box will work with that and if the pitman arm length matches the aftermarket GM x-over steering arms...

If the Scout box doesn't work then I need to take a serious look at alternative boxes and the GM box to GM knuckle idea kind of makes sense if it will all fit under the front of the Kick.

Prob 2wd Chevy Box

Originally posted by scwafish
Zuk88-Theyre around $25

Why the Celica...its been done, and its easy, a good fit, and they are CHEAP. Probably not the best box, but it seems to work good on the sami. The IFS is a sweet unit and proven durable.

I've heard rumors that the Celica sector shaft can break but I know lots of people running it with no problems, including some guys on 36s so until then.

Can you pick me up one? I'd like to have a spare. I'll send ya a check for the box and after I get it I can send you a check for teh exact shipping.

Originally posted by Root Moose


What I had heard was for a complete rebuild (p;arts only) it was around $100USD.

I didn't check the prices locally so I dunno if I was being "given the goat" or what on that...possibly inflated Toy dealer prices.

I listed all the seals required on my website, most were from Pep Boys/Napa, one you had to order. Took about a half hour and no more leaks. Here's teh seal list:

2 P/N 64492 O-ring (2mm wide, 10mm ID, 14mm OD)

1 P/N 64036 O-ring (1/16 wide, 2-3/8 ID, 2-1/2 OD)

1 P/N 64139 O-ring (3/32 wide, 2-3/16 ID, 2-3/8 OD)



NAPA

1 P/N 7007 Oil Seal (front seal)



APPLIED INDUSTRIAL TECH

Phone Number: 602-470-1444

1 P/N 30 38 04A Oil Seal (Sector Shaft Seal)

The last one is just a 30mm ID, 38mmod and 4mm thk. Stock is 7mmthk but I couldn't get those in the states. The 4 has worked fine for me, bought a spare in case I needed to double it up.

Sweet install, Fatkid. Very Cleen.

Any idea what that vaccum switch thingamajig on the pump was for? Any chance it was to bleed of excess pressure or something?

Do you plan on some sort of bracket for that body mount you eliminated?



Muchos gracias on the pic's - they speak Volumes.:D

Originally posted by Tin Bender's Goat
Why use a car pump over the truck pump?? Are they cheaper?
As strong? Why Celica over P/u??

Easier to install. Make an adapter plate and they bolt up in the stock location with only minor trimming of the radiator bracket, you can even used the same rag joint so there is not much fabrication required. From what I have seen of the IFS boxs they are nearly identical with the exception of which side of the frame they mount. I bet they are the same internals and seals, if you guys ever have one apart take some pictures, I got some of the Celica box to compare. That said I think the IFS boxes are a great way to go too since they are much more common.

What am I missing?? If people are break'n the shafts off of Celica boxes then CAN'T be the same strength as an IFS box...:confused:
I have NEVER heard of an IFS shaft break'n??...

Has anyone actually SEEN a Celica box give it up?

Maybe the external cases are the only difference, and on some rare occasions the casting broke on the Celica box?

I've never seen a Celica shaft break, must less seen a picture. So has anyone actually done it? I would think age and use would be big factors in how long a sector shafts holds up. My box is from a 78, that's potentially 7-8 years more use than an IFS box which didn't start till 86. How many winters/summers and heating cooling cylces has my box seen? Who knows , but I bet it's more than any IFS box so far. So they may be the same shaft but one is quite a bit older. What's the diameter on the IFS sector shaft where the seal rides? You should be able to get a caliper on there. Might be intersting to know if you could swap the internals yet have the inside the fame mounting ability of the Celica box.

I have seen the bottom shaft snap off the Celica box. The box was fine, but the shaft was snapped off at the bottom of the box. Not good. This happened last year at Moab, and the Spider Trax guys said the samething happened to them on the same trail the year before. So it does happen.

So how hard is it to find a new Celica box in Moab?

-Wayne

I just bought a digital camera (on the web). When it's here, I'll post some pics of the stock IFS steering if you'd like, but it seems like everyone's more interested in the Celica stuff.

FATKID - can you get a measurement on the Celica box shaft? I can probably get a rough measurement of mine if you boys would like.

yes, please Mr. Yota_San:beer: :D

Sure, what year Celica should I measure? As far as the vaccum switch It went to the intake manifold, and I was told that it kicks the rpm up when the pump is under load. Not sure but I thought that most pumps have some type of high presure bypass, I know the Saginaws do. I'll have to do more research, and as far as the body mount I'm not sure if I'll even replace it. The body doesn't seem to even notice it's gone. Going to have do some thinking.:idea:

Originally posted by Yota_San
I just bought a digital camera (on the web). When it's here, I'll post some pics of the stock IFS steering if you'd like, but it seems like everyone's more interested in the Celica stuff.

FATKID - can you get a measurement on the Celica box shaft? I can probably get a rough measurement of mine if you boys would like.

Celica sector shaft is 30mm dia (got a seal for it at home).

Originally posted by rotozuk
I have seen the bottom shaft snap off the Celica box. The box was fine, but the shaft was snapped off at the bottom of the box. Not good. This happened last year at Moab, and the Spider Trax guys said the samething happened to them on the same trail the year before. So it does happen.

So how hard is it to find a new Celica box in Moab?

-Wayne

Is there an IFS junkyard in Moab? Seriously, when I go long distance like that, I toss a spare t-case, steering column and other big, hard to find stuff in the back of the tow rig. If I can get Mr. Fish to pick me one up I plan on toting a spare steering box around as well.

AZ-not going to p-n-p right away but within 2 weeks, I'll get you one. Thanks again for the part numbers, thats way helpful.

Scout box-I have one in my garage (I was a Scout nut for years:emb2: ) and the forward facing pitman arm makes it ideal for working axles that have been pushed forward. The arm is so long it would mount right in front of the bumpstop! No body mount problems. Yes the arm is much longer, and yes your arm ratios would be off, but almost ANY Saginaw pitman will fit so its tweakable...been there done that.

It mounts very similar to the IFS box. However it is HUGE and DEEP. If it would interfere with anything it would be the top of the axle/spring/springplate.

In the end I didnt use it because its kinda like "swatting flies with a sledge hammer" and seemed like a beyond overkill solution.

That'll work. Just let me know where to send the check.

Here is the truth, I would have gone with a Celica set up If we didn't have Tin Benders Runna to steal parts off. I also went with the IFS steering cause someone that makes love to goats kept insisting that it would be the Shiat.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by fatkid
Here is the truth, I would have gone with a Celica set up If we didn't have Tin Benders Runna to steal parts off. I also went with the IFS steering cause someone that makes love to goats kept insisting that it would be the Shiat.:flipoff2:

Hey man, no one is knocking ya. I think the IFS stuff is the future cause the Celica stuff is getting hard to find. You guys did a nice job getting that box on there, now just make a kit for the brackets and sell it for less than the other Zuki vendors. Most of the guys around here are still running the manual box so there's a market for it.

I like the IFS box, i have seen them work on SAS toys with 38's no problem! If my kick stuff ever goes out on mine, i think im going to go that route.

So far the set up worked well for a little run we went on, the test will be this next trip to the Hammers on the 18th-21st. Stay tuned.:D

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
Celica sector shaft is 30mm dia (got a seal for it at home).
Just went and measured the Toy. The IFS Toy box is about 30mm sector shaft as well.

Anyone got some good shots of the Celica box, so's we can compare them to the IFS one?

They're not, but how funny would it be if they were the same box, and nobody had noticed? :eek:

I measured The Pu box last night, it was 30 at the SPLINE....and got LOTS bigger at the seal...... i would guess 40?

I run a saginaw box off a s10 Blazer on my zuk which is the same box that is on 85 to present camaros, 2wd S10's ,firebirds and such. very plentiful, cheap and quick ratio too. I used the pump from a Camaro with a 2.8 v6 because it had a bigger pulley than the V8 pump so It wouldnt be turning so many Rpm's I am very pleased with my setup one finger turning on the trail. It got hot and puked fluid till I added a cooler I used an air conditioning condenser coil from a Scout for a cooler works great. Ive got a saginaw box off a waggy that I think would work excellent. Looks just right and has a nice long pitman arm. that is the only thing that I need to change, my S10 pitman is a little short.

Originally posted by skeetshooter
I run a saginaw box off a s10 Blazer on my zuk which is the same box that is on 85 to present camaros, 2wd S10's ,firebirds and such. very plentiful, cheap and quick ratio too.

What size tires do you typically run?

Just wondering if the quick ratio keeps up with large tires and large obstacles. Sounds like the right size but the quicker the ratio the harder the effort the box sees.

I am currently running 33x15.50 SX's and having no problems.

I have been searching and searching... this is the holy grail post I have been looking for. I had found it once before and lost it... sorry for the blabbing my Q is... Fatkid is the PS pump you're using from a 3.0 v6 4runner or a 4cyl? Just that alone will help me a huge bunch, thanks, Brent

and now you guys are saying toy ifs sheesh make up my mind....

Originally posted by CTBrent
I have been searching and searching... this is the holy grail post I have been looking for. I had found it once before and lost it... sorry for the blabbing my Q is... Fatkid is the PS pump you're using from a 3.0 v6 4runner or a 4cyl? Just that alone will help me a huge bunch, thanks, Brent

I used one off a Runna with the 22re, 4cyl...

Man this thread is old.:)

Also use the 4cyl pump the v-6 mounts to the opposite side of the motor
heres a link to my set up also http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42227&highlight=P%2FS+done

Just adding keywords to help find it with the search: Toyota toy ifs steering box power steering pump bracket crossover cross over high steer highsteer hysteer... and fat kid - just in case anyone searches but puts a space in his name.

There... should help find it next time.

the thing is... I have been searching... I have lurked this site for 4-5 months. I use this site primarily for the tech... no real need for me to pipe up since everyone else has it covered. I got the quickest answer though by posting on this thread. Thanks for the heads up though.

I have a box if anyone needs it 100.00 works great. Email meat Fatboy1097@aol.com

Originally posted by Fatboy1097
I have a box if anyone needs it 100.00 works great. Email meat Fatboy1097@aol.com

make up your mind do you want the cash or steaks, Ill send a good prime rib for it:D