O.K. My DD Suburban is worn out. I am thinking of replacing it.
I have seen more and more of the Pinzgauers running around. I stopped and got some literature on them. One side of my brain says, Where are you gonna find parts for that? Remember the Land Rover fiasco? The other half of my brain says Ohhh, portal axles, f/r lockers, and a machine gun mount, the perfect family car!

Anyone have any experience with the things, I am thinking of getting the 710m. Will it tow my trail rig and trailer?

Originally posted by zags
O.K. My DD Suburban is worn out. I am thinking of replacing it.
I have seen more and more of the Pinzgauers running around. I stopped and got some literature on them. One side of my brain says, Where are you gonna find parts for that? Remember the Land Rover fiasco? The other half of my brain says Ohhh, portal axles, f/r lockers, and a machine gun mount, the perfect family car!

Anyone have any experience with the things, I am thinking of getting the 710m. Will it tow my trail rig and trailer?

I forwarded you e-mail to a guy here in Phoenix who has one and runs around with a club. He should be able to help you.

Guy I wheel with has one. Pricy to repair. No Flex but it locked all the way so it still goes through about anything. It's a riot to watch off road. It has tires off the ground all the time. He does go zeroG when he catches big air sitting on the front axle.
Thing has this uncanny ability to lay over on it's side in V ruts they would get most things stuck and then pop back up on it's wheels.

It maxes out at 65mph on the hwy.
Here are some vids with it on it.
http://www.mindspring.com/~beyler/GBR-AC-1.wmv
http://www.mindspring.com/~beyler/GBR-AC-2.wmv
There was a clip of it dropping into a pond that was a riot but the link no longer works.
The Tan K5 trying to run over the camera man is me :)

i have been trying to justify one myself. just haven't been able to do it. it just doesn't have enough motor to use as a tow rig. it would be cool as hell though. mike

o yea do a search on mogs and you will get all kinds of pinzguaer info. seems i can get more with the unimog search than the pinguazer search.

There is a guy in Mesa that sells them, he has offered me a free test ride. He claims to have all needed parts for repairs, and I know he drives them a lot down here to Tucson for gun shows and such. Can't find his card, but you should be able to find him pretty easy.
$13K out the door for the soft top 4 wheel version...with tools, parts, somewhat rebuilt...

I like them A LOT more than Mogs.

Vince always has some. His own is a very custom 6x6 that he runs in things like the transylvania trophey and such. He carrys mogs too but he really likes the pinz best I think

www.real4x4.com

Much better price than 13k too!

Would be a terribile tow rig I think.

Ron

PS land rover fiasco? :nuke: please tell :)

Hey mike,

There is a guy in Weatherford that imports them.

Gary Cobberly, same guy that has the 502 in the SOA FJ-60. Cool guy. I think he and the guy in Phoenix are in cahoots.

maverick@cowtown.net is his email address

i know a couple guys here in phx who import and deal with them. theres one for sale right now on cave creek rd S. of beardsly if you want to go see it and kick the tires.
the pinz is cool but i personally like the mog better. mostly for the solid axles.

I thought that pinzgauers had air cooled 4 bangers, hardly a worthy tow rig?

hey ZAGS-

There's a guy up here who's got 20 or more of u'm- I think it's called T-Lows.

I'll get some info down to ya when I go into Prescott today.
He deals in Mog's too- and is supposed to carry a complete parts inventory for both vehicals. I had stopped to look at a Pinz' a while back, I recollect it was $8500 or so, Mog's were a bit more.

I'll PM ya when I can get the scoop---

Later

I wouldn't want my family to drive around in one of those daily (if i had a family). If you ever got into an accident you can kiss your legs good bye. Very unsafe, very expensive. I could see getting tired of one of those. Initial shock value is awsome but i couldn't image owning one and driving it every day.

IMO the Pinz belongs on the trailer, not in front of it. Not to say they aren't cool, I just think a 6.2 NA would tow better. :flipoff2:

Pete

"you can kiss your legs good bye"

You think?

I would guess you would end up on top of whatever you hit.

Ron

Originally posted by TRD
I wouldn't want my family to drive around in one of those daily (if i had a family). If you ever got into an accident you can kiss your legs good bye. Very unsafe, very expensive. I could see getting tired of one of those. Initial shock value is awsome but i couldn't image owning one and driving it every day.

I think there's a lot more metal in the front of that thing than most modern cars.

O.K. Everyone calm down, my wife and kids ride safely in our new Expedition. As for the Land Rover, it spent more time sitting waiting for parts from England than it did driving down the road. My wife was afraid to drive it because it broke down so often.
I had to trade it in just to shut her up. (lost my ass) I think I may just get a superduty Ford instead.

Originally posted by Vermont_Toy


I think there's a lot more metal in the front of that thing than most modern cars.

actually there is a peice of sheet metal between you and the car in front of you.

The engine is not in front

Originally posted by TRD


actually there is a peice of sheet metal between you and the car in front of you.

The engine is not in front

Welllll.... actually it is. Just not in front of the driver. It's a forward-control, cabover, thing. And I think unless you're hitting something B I G it's the Pinzgauer that would win.

The Mesa company that imports 'em had 3 at the 4Wheel Expo in Phoenix last weekend. That troop carrier is pretty cool....

Originally posted by msahr


Welllll.... actually it is. Just not in front of the driver. It's a forward-control, cabover, thing. And I think unless you're hitting something B I G it's the Pinzgauer that would win.

exactly what i am saying, there is a piece of metal then your legs then the motor. I bet it would do a really nice job of crushing them. Pinzgauers are small. A honda civic would ruin one of those.

I thought a Pinzgauers was a Cow.

Uhhhhhhh..... I guess I'll be the one to ask...

Why was there video take'n of that wheel'n? Is that as rough as is get's???:confused: YAWNNNNNNNNN!!!!

Originally posted by Tin Bender's Goat
Uhhhhhhh..... I guess I'll be the one to ask...

Why was there video take'n of that wheel'n? Is that as rough as is get's???:confused: YAWNNNNNNNNN!!!!

Cmawnnn,, that Jeep Liberty was GETTIN' IT! I sure wish I lived back east........:flipoff2:

I was a real question!!...I'm not try'n to be an ass....

I remember the days of "cool" a wheel up...
But get'n a "spot" up a dirt hill?:confused:

IMO a Pinzenhabler doesn't belong on a trailer, it belongs in France

:beer: :beer: :beer: :usa: :beer: :beer: :beer:

Originally posted by TRD
Pinzgauers are small. A honda civic would ruin one of those.

Yeah right... Have you ever seen one? They are 7' tall and run at least 33" tires on portal axles. They are WAY up there... You may be thinking of the Halflinger, it's a little larger than a golf cart. Check out www.emve.cjb.net

Couple things about the Pinz 710. They are rated to tow up to 11k pounds, but it won't be fast! The trucks ride surprisingly well with that independent suspension, but you don't want to rock crawl with it. It'll lift a leg faster than a dog a a fire hydrant convention.

As for the person who thinks a honda would win in a wreck, you need to take a better look. The bumper is thicker than an ARB, and right behind it is a solid steel, tubular frame. An offset crash might be an issue, but i'd bet on the pinz against my Range Rover or a half-ton any day. The truck sits on 31" tires stock, but can run 34 or smallish 35's before getting into trouble. You cannot increase the flex on them due to the axle design.

They are one of the best designed 4x4s on the planet. A number of people sell parts, and Willy at Swiss Army Vehicles (www.swissarmyvehicles) has entire trucks in stock for spares. You can have anything from a door handle to an engine overnight if you really want it. T-Lo has a bunch in stock, as do several other shops out west. Its air cooled so you ditch all the problems associated with cooling systems, water pumps, radiators, etc. It uses breakers instead of fuses which makes electric problems much easier to stomach.

The soft top allow you to run full covered, pickup style, bikini styly, wide open, etc. Very flexible in that regard. Rims are 16x6.5 so tires are a breeze to find and can be had cheap. Parts are about 10-15 percent more than Jeep parts so I don't know where the "expensive to maintain" comments are coming from. Maybe compared to a Sammy.

But you guys are missing the point on Pinzes an Mogs. they just don't break often. In 5 years of being on the Unimog list, I have heard of one broken axle and 3 broken trannys (which were all the 20 speeds and not the stock box). You guys are used to breaking things when you wheel. These trucks were designed to carry 1-3 tons over terrain like your rock-crawl in, and not break down. Thats why they costed $40k in 1973. And its why a new Unimog will set you back $150k now.


-P

I think I may just get a superduty Ford instead.


Now you'er talkin'

Cory with a 97 F350 7.3TD crew 4x4 as a DD and tow vehicle.

Originally posted by Tin Bender
I was a real question!!...I'm not try'n to be an ass....

I remember the days of "cool" a wheel up...
But get'n a "spot" up a dirt hill?:confused:
That is what we concider a pretty easy trail. Just a short day run. As you know pictures do no justice to how steep stuff is so it does look easier than it is but your right it's not that tough. Those things have ZERO flex but a very low CG and both axles are locked. It just goes. bounces around alot as it does it. Will pretty well lay on it's side at times and for no aparent reason stand back up. The point that the guy was diving to get out of the way the Pinz was about 45deg over. Many vehicles would have layed over if leaned that far. Course since it has no flex it did that. I didn't feel like I was much past 20deg at that point in my K5.
As for TRD and the crushed leg deal and civic comment. You apparently have never seen one of these things. They are about the size of a lwb Asto van. Maybe even taller. The front bumper and sub assembly is VERY stout. Short of something BIG going over the bumper I don't think there is much to worry about. and when I mean big it would have to be lifted suburban big and I think the Pinz would still catch it in the grill and ride over the bumper. It would drive clean over a civic.
Ohh BTW those movies have been moved to here http://www.gbr4wd.com/trail_rides.htm Anderson creek ride.

There is a guy in Wickenburg selling a bunch of them. He has a 4x4 tour business on US-60 near the McDonalds.

I met a guy selling them at a Hamfest in Flagstaff. The guy was a loser, one of those that believes if you don't drive a Pinz you ain't shit.

I'm not very impressed with them. Not that 65 is so bad, but it takes soooo long to get there. It would be better to trailer it with a real American rig:usa:!

Originally posted by TRD


exactly what i am saying, there is a piece of metal then your legs then the motor. I bet it would do a really nice job of crushing them. Pinzgauers are small. A honda civic would ruin one of those.


For your entertainment, I have put up a couple of videos. One shows a basic intro to the pinzgauer and what it will do. The other shows how it hold up in a roll and in a 30 mph head on collision with something the size of a Duece.

Video section at:

www.spanishtrailrovers.com

Enjoy

These things are cool but they do have limits. I test drove 1 just outside atlanta and been with a friend when he wheeled it at tellico. Side angle is awsome, if its got traction it will climb it. General drivability is "ok" it drives like and old farm truck, loud bouncy, corners good, brakes worked awsome when unloaded. Steering was tight, like pointed out before these things were built to haul loads cross country. And breakage just doesnt happen often. The bigest thing is following the maintence schedule.

My friends pinz did have some trouble at tellico, mainly in the heavy rock sections, you would need to add some skids before you did any major crawling, there is tons of aluminum, magniziem parts on this thing, they are tough but will gouge easily on rocks. For example he was maeuvering around some stuff and a rock got jamed behind the rear tire and bumper. It loosened the rear hydralic line for the locker. Not a crisis, but exposed. The stock exhaust routing needs work.

BUT all this said, for general off roading in 70-80% trails your hit this thing is the bomb, and the looks you get driving/riding in one of these is amazing. The most asked questiong "what is that thing"

-yag

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I forwarded you e-mail to a guy here in Phoenix who has one and runs around with a club. He should be able to help you.

I saw a 710k in Tucson like afew months ago at UofA it was sweet does any one know the owner?

I found this one for sale for only $17K with only 33k miles.

back view

and here is the 710m Sweet lloking beasts,

Yea the only draw back is you cant modify it much,
Ill probibly get one when Im an old man tired of modifying my jeep.

post pics, they are so hard to find!!!

go here

http://www.rockymountainmoggers.com/unimog.html

And for the Pinz go here: http://www.rockymountainmoggers.com/linkpinz.html

mark my words, I WILL HAVE A PINZ 710M within the next 5 years!!! and im gonna put a 85hp air cooled diesel in it :smokin:

can you say FORDING DEPTH 8 FEET??? :D

its almost the perfect rig for what i would want it for, just a fun little truck to take out into the woods and have fun, not to crawl boulders the size of a haflinger.

i want one so baaaaad! :(

Those things are sweet! there is a guy in the nest town over that drives his every day to work. he gets some looks going down the highway!

That link found me this sweet 712K with a sweet looking cage.

Now its not a question of if to get get one its when and if I want 4 or 6 wheels!

another cool pic

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ
another cool pic

yeah thats Vince, ive met him before a few years ago and hes a REALLY cool guy. just a laid back, funny guy that is damn smart about vehicles.

guys post some pics!!!

Im all out!

Originally posted by ecvMatt
I thought that pinzgauers had air cooled 4 bangers, hardly a worthy tow rig?

You're right.
(2.5L, 85hp)
No engine conversion hardly doable.
The engine bay is small and the engine itself leans on its side nearly horizontal...

http://www.ifrance.com/denis-d/images/frame6x6.jpg
(this one is the newer 2.4 tubodiesel)

Bye,

Originally posted by GABE THOMPSON
IMO a Pinzenhabler doesn't belong on a trailer, it belongs in France

:beer: :beer: :beer: :usa: :beer: :beer: :beer:

:eek:

Gabe,

Please elaborate on this, I just don't understand. (Maybe I'm stupid)
What did you meant ? I will take no offence whatever you meant.
Your only risk is being ignored... :D
Thanks,

pinz content :
http://www.ifrance.com/denis-d/images/6x6td.jpg
TD version with radiator in front (this one is watercooled now...)

Oh yeah I'm just in the North of France, and not far from Belgium at all, so I know what :beer: is. Which you may not... :flipoff2:

Bye,

What years had water cooled?

Nice pic, any more!:D

Originally posted by ashmanjeepXJ
What years had water cooled?

Nice pic, any more!:D

watercooled = turbodiesel = 1990 or so (which will bring them in the US by 2015) = high $$$,$$$

Bye,

Just don't get one if you get sick when it teeters back down. They do a lot of that.
http://www.gbr4wd.com/TrailRuns/Andersoncreek/Dscn0685.jpg

It looks like it flexes as good as my all pipe no suspension go kart I had as a kid!!

Still want one.

Do any come with AC, thats important in Arizona.

Saw this one on the Con over fathers day....was a trip watching it!

and the inside.

I like mogs better, but the pinz=cool stuffs.

http://128.83.80.200/taco/ca57.jpg

http://128.83.80.200/taco/ca58.jpg

http://128.83.80.200/taco/ca52.jpg